Prom Cancelled Because of Student's Sexuality

[blackcauldron85]

Here's a CBS News interview with Constance:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id= ... tag=api%20

(via Facebook)

[Lazario]

What's "pro-gay"? A person can't be pro gay. You're either gay or you're not.

It probably means that you aren't gay, but you support gays. I don't think that is a hard concept.

No... this is what he meant:

As in I don't think being gay is right.

And as for you, Kyle, sure I'll spare you the lecture. But maybe next time you'll do me a favor and... keep it to yourself? There's no polite way for to tell other people that you're arrogant enough to cast personal judgments over them based on something that doesn't hurt anyone and that we cannot change. Least of all reasons why being... most people don't care. Nevermind that some people would appreciate having their feelings taken into consideration and I personally, don't need an excuse to get nasty in response.

[Super Aurora]

Meh, it's Mississippi. I never really care for the affairs of gays and lesbians. Then again I can never understand why anyone else, who isn't one, would bother making a fuss out of it either. Some people just love drama

[Lazario]

I never really care for the affairs of gays and lesbians.

You make our lives sound like a romance novel.

[Kyle]

It probably means that you aren't gay, but you support gays. I don't think that is a hard concept.

No... this is what he meant:

...you just contridicted yourself. Siren'sright, that's what it means to be pro gay, which I am not. Pretty simple.

And as for you, Kyle, sure I'll spare you the lecture.

I think sparing me the lecture would have meant stopping there.

Your trying to take a comment I made (about actually agreeing with you for a change) and start something. We've been down this road, which is why I'm just going leave this at that.

I know your going to accuse me for being the one to start it, but simply stating one's stance on an issue does not make them the person escalating.

[Aqua]

As in I don't think being gay is right. but lets not open that can of worms.

You brought that on yourself and now you're going to cower away from the issue? Who would want support from someone who believe "it's wrong" or maybe you're just being a hypocrite. But what do I know, I suppose I'm being "PC" .



Don't worry, I doubt anybody whose gay here or else where would want your disapproval....Or even your civility pertaining to things like this.

[Lazario]

No... this is what he meant:

...you just contridicted yourself.

I quoted you explaining yourself. Therefore, I'm not involved in that specific equation. How can I possibly contradict myself?

And as for you, Kyle, sure I'll spare you the lecture.

I think sparing me the lecture would have meant stopping there.

Ask Goliath what a lecture from me is. Trust me, I spared you.

I know your going to accuse me for being the one to start it

Well, isn't that what you want everyone to think? If you wanted to express a helpful, supportive point of view, why would you go and ruin it with something as insulting as that "pro-gay" comment? Look around at these other replies. I think if anyone started it, you did.

Your trying to take a comment I made (about actually agreeing with you for a change) and start something. We've been down this road, which is why I'm just going leave this at that.

I actually expected you were going to leave-this-at-that before. But like the kind of arrogance it takes a person to tell others they don't believe something about them that they can't change or do anything about is right would suggest - you felt compelled to come back here and tell-me-off.

C'mon... you don't think it's enough that you have the right to marry who you want and I don't? Now you have to brag about how much better you are than me and win arguments as well? Hey... are there any internal organs you want from me too?

In all seriousness though, I love how predictable your type is. The sense of entitlement that drips from every word you say. And how you never think about that before you express your opinion. How easy it is for someone like you to pass judgment on others. Compared to gay people- name one adversity you face in your daily life.

As in I don't think being gay is right. but lets not open that can of worms.

You brought that on yourself and now you're going to cower away from the issue? Who would want support from someone who believe "it's wrong" or maybe you're just being a hypocrite. But what do I know, I suppose I'm being "PC" .



Don't worry, I doubt anybody whose gay here or else where would want your disapproval....Or even your civility pertaining to things like this.

Oh, now in all fairness - the entire straight community of this board would probably agree Kyle doesn't have to cower. No one would ever suggest he should be murdered for the way he was born.

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[Babaloo]

This is being blown way out of proportion. I myself am pro-gay, and Kyle is not. There's nothing you can do about it. He either is or isn't. And all he was saying that he doesn't support it, but still thinks this whole prom thing was bad. Just drop it at that.

Anyways about this whole prom thing, that's completely ridiculous. At my high school prom there was a gay couple and they both never went around saying "Hey look at us! We're gay!". They were just having fun at prom. Also whats wrong if two girls go to prom together? At my prom half the girls ended up going with each other just because they didn't care about finding dates. So what's the difference between two girl friends, and actual girlfriends?

[Margos]

Kyle, if you can't say anything nice, isn't it better to say nothing?

Really now. Admitting to disliking gay people is like admitting to being a racist, and there's no room in our world for people silly enough to go around saying that they don't think all people are meant to be equals.

And Lazario's absolutlely right. It's easy enough to say that Kyle ought to be left alone. But then again, it's not like he has to be afraid of hate crimes, now does he? Is someone going to beat him to death becasue he's anti-gay? Nope. But have people who so flippantly call themselves "not pro-gay" brutally murdered sexual minorities? Why yes, I believe they have.

[Disney's Divinity]

This is being blown way out of proportion. I myself am pro-gay, and Kyle is not. There's nothing you can do about it. He either is or isn't. And all he was saying that he doesn't support it, but still thinks this whole prom thing was bad. Just drop it at that.

I agree. A lot of people don't believe following through with homosexual desires is right. And there's (usually) no amount of arguing you can do to change their minds.

Still, I do think it's rather distasteful to come in and say, "Yeah, that was bad. But I still don't like you either." So I can understand the reaction.

[Lazario]

This is being blown way out of proportion. I myself am pro-gay, and Kyle is not. There's nothing you can do about it. He either is or isn't. And all he was saying that he doesn't support it, but still thinks this whole prom thing was bad. Just drop it at that.

I believe in fair play. If someone makes a negative judgment about someone in any way without a good reason for it, I think they deserve a negative judgment made about them.

Admitting to disliking gay people is like admitting to being a racist

Exactly! And if it weren't for Republicans, conservatives and religious elitists, all Americans would be allowed to understand that intolerance toward gay people is every bit as bad as racism. That it's the same damn thing. Disapproval for something trivial about a person's body turned into a form of supremecy against a group of people. I'm better than you / you don't deserve the same rights as me because you're not the same.

But then again, it's not like he has to be afraid of hate crimes, now does he? Is someone going to beat him to death becasue he's anti-gay? Nope. But have people who so flippantly call themselves "not pro-gay" brutally murdered sexual minorities? Why yes, I believe they have.

Oooh... before that gets out of hand, I should make perfectly clear right now that I didn't mean that to be as grave as it must have sounded. I don't blame Kyle for violence. Just that that attitude is part of the enabling culture that leads to violence. That he should understand how wrong it is to think that - let alone to express it in any public forum or place. We've got enough intolerance to deal with as it is. For all people, in fact. I also wanted him to appreciate that he's got it way too lucky. And that that makes it too easy for him to pass judgment over others. That's arrogance of the first degree.

I agree. A lot of people don't believe following through with homosexual desires is right. And there's (usually) no amount of arguing you can do to change their minds.

That doesn't mean we have to hear about it.

[Margos]

But then again, it's not like he has to be afraid of hate crimes, now does he? Is someone going to beat him to death becasue he's anti-gay? Nope. But have people who so flippantly call themselves "not pro-gay" brutally murdered sexual minorities? Why yes, I believe they have.

Oooh... before that gets out of hand, I should make perfectly clear right now that I didn't mean that to be as grave as it must have sounded. I don't blame Kyle for violence. Just that that attitude is part of the enabling culture that leads to violence. That he should understand how wrong it is to think that - let alone to express it in any public forum or place. We've got enough intolerance to deal with as it is. For all people, in fact. I also wanted him to appreciate that he's got it way too lucky. And that that makes it too easy for him to pass judgment over others. That's arrogance of the first degree.

Same here. I didn't blame Kyle for the hate crimes.... I'm just saying that the people who commit them are generally not ashamed of their ignorance (you know, like the type of people who would announce to the world that they truly believe that being gay is "wrong.") Which is why it frightens me a bit when people say such things.

[Goliath]

Ask Goliath what a lecture from me is. Trust me, I spared you.

He's right, Kyle, he spared you! Much to my regret, I might add.

[Aqua]

Kyle's comment is akin to the statement "We don't hate gays, we just don't approve of their life style" or some BS about flaunting it. Another variation is to mention that you have gay friends, family, and etc...that you love, respect, but again, don't approve their life style. A Disney message board is the last place where I would expect attitudes like this giving the fact many in this day and age would question sexuality on something a trival as watching Disney's animated features and there are people like that.

[Lazario]

Kyle's comment is akin to the statement "We don't hate gays, we just don't approve of their life style" or some BS about flaunting it. Another variation is to mention that you have gay friends, family, and etc...that you love, respect, but again, don't approve their life style.

Exactly why I took issue with his statements in the first place. Even without using the word "lifestyle" within the judgment itself, they're cut from the same cloth. It's an attempt to wash over the real issue - the refusal to accept that gay people can't and shouldn't try to change who they are.

Even if you're the most religious person on the planet and you disapprove of homosexuality, you have to face the fact that there is no logical explanation for the belief that God makes gay people that way to test them. Why some people and not others? It's too random. The only way for them to explain it is to say that God gives every single person temptations toward the same gender. Now take a poll. Go out on the street right now and ask 100 adults, ask 1,000, if they've ever been attracted to a person of their same gender. You'll get some very interesting reactions to be sure. But the fact that this suggestion shocks so many people is proof enough that they never thought of it. At best, you'll get some straight people who say they've had a dream / nightmare or two. And practically 0 men who say they experimented in college- unless they know they're gay already.

A Disney message board is the last place where I would expect attitudes like this giving the fact many in this day and age would question sexuality on something a trival as watching Disney's animated features and there are people like that.

Well, now here we've got to face some hard facts. Disney has been embraced by Republicans, social conservatives, and the moral majority for many decades. Hell- even before Michael Medved insists Hollywood went Satanic ("Liberal") in 1969 (sex and violence in the mainstream, X-rated films winning Academy Awards, various "agenda" conspiracy-theories), the old school of bible-thumpers wouldn't let their kids even read comic books or play cards because they reminded parents too much of sin and bad adult behaviors! Through all that, Disney was the one outlet of entertainment that world of adults didn't link to juvenile delinquency and "The Devil." And since then... look at the staggering numbers of Republicans and conservatives who still embraces Disney publically. Something about the new school of Disney's "do anything to make money, even if it's morally repugnant" motto, suggesting their factory of tween-aimed minors are Pop Stars instead of overtly saying we're selling their empty beauty, insatiable hunger for materialistic happiness, and sex appeal on a slightly safer wave than the Britney's and Christina's (which is what they're doing) that most of the Right in America gravitate toward. I can't imagine why .

[Siren]

This is being blown way out of proportion.

Deserves repeating.