Sometimes I Wish Pixar Never Existed

[DisneyJedi]

Okay, true, that if it weren't for John Lasseter, Disney would still be doing CGI movies and not doing any hand-drawn movies. But I'm just kind of mad that Pixar is outshining Disney when it comes to animated movies.

And because of that, Pixar's movies continue to steal away the Best Animated Feature Oscar, beginning with Ratatouille- despite me rooting for it. Thus, I sometimes wish Pixar never existed.

[The_Iceflash]

While I wish they can both share the spotlight and 2-D animation would not be frowned down upon due to Pixar's success's, I do really enjoy Pixar's movies and feel they have earned a great deal of respect.

[yamiiguy]

Why? Unless your a fanboy you root for the better movie, which Pixar have been consistently producing. Plus now Pixar = Disney and Disney = Pixar.

[DisneyJedi]

While I wish they can both share the spotlight and 2-D animation would not be frowned down upon due to Pixar's success's, I do really enjoy Pixar's movies and feel they have earned a great deal of respect.

Honestly, I don't think Pixar would have existed without Disney.

[The_Iceflash]

Why? Unless your a fanboy you root for the better movie, which Pixar have been consistently producing. Plus now Pixar = Disney and Disney = Pixar.

Agreed. I also see them as one of the same. A victory for Pixar is still a victory for Disney in my book.

[DisneyJedi]

Why? Unless your a fanboy you root for the better movie, which Pixar have been consistently producing. Plus now Pixar = Disney and Disney = Pixar.

Well, I do love Pixar, but I love Disney a little more. And it's really Pixar's fault that everyone treats hand-drawn animation like it's stupid and a waste of time, because CGI is supposedly "cheaper".

[estefan]

Why? Unless your a fanboy you root for the better movie, which Pixar have been consistently producing. Plus now Pixar = Disney and Disney = Pixar.

Well, I do love Pixar, but I love Disney a little more. And it's really Pixar's fault that everyone treats hand-drawn animation like it's stupid and a waste of time, because CGI is supposedly "cheaper".

Now, it's hardly Pixar's fault, especially since John Lasseter is a massive champion of hand-drawn animation, especially Disney and Studio Ghibli's productions.

In fact, he can be credited as the person who made Hayao Miyazaki's work popular in the rest of the world outside of the niche anime market.

[yamiiguy]

Why? Unless your a fanboy you root for the better movie, which Pixar have been consistently producing. Plus now Pixar = Disney and Disney = Pixar.

Well, I do love Pixar, but I love Disney a little more. And it's really Pixar's fault that everyone treats hand-drawn animation like it's stupid and a waste of time, because CGI is supposedly "cheaper".

It's about the movies, not the company.

[Elladorine]

You can't blame Pixar for creating films that have excited the public; Disney needs to step up to the plate and take their reigns as the leader of animation once again. And as it's been stated here before, Disney and Pixar are a part of the same entity now anyway, and IMO, it's lucky for Disney that they made those early deals and eventually bought Pixar to help keep them afloat. They can be leaders as one unit.

Let's not forget that Lasseter started his animation career at Disney and absolutely loves hand drawn, and now that he's got some control at Disney he's pushing for its comeback. Let's also not forget that Disney fired Lasseter back in the day for believing in a project that Disney disliked; had he stayed at Disney? Pixar likely would not exist. It's entertaining to think about actually . . . had Lasseter not been fired and had been allowed to do his CG projects at the studio, perhaps Disney would have taken the early lead on CG instead of an outside company they eventually felt the need to buy.

[Duckburger]

Blaming Pixar for the underpeforming of hand-drawn animated films is a really ignorant statement.

Pixar had success with their CGI movies, so did Dreamworks. After that all the other studios followed suit. While Disney still produced hand-drawn films for some time afterwards, they just weren't as successful as previous ones. Then after the brief hiatus they gave it another go, it did reasonably well, though nowhere near what they were hoping for apparantly.

So I would say if you really feel the need to blame something, blame the execs over at Walt Disney Studios for not having any trust in hand-drawn animation, not Pixar for doing what they were made for in the first place - computer animated movies.

[UmbrellaFish]

I don't know, they've made some pretty darn good movies...

[pap64]

This thread is absolutely pointless. You can blame Pixar all you want, but had Up been a 2011 film, the award would have likely gone to Fantastic Mr. Fox, a film that received a lot of Pixar like critical acclaim. And if Mr. Fox wasn't possible, Coraline would have won. It isn't even about Pixar, its about which film is perceived as the best, and in this case, while Princess and the Frog was one of the greats, it wasn't great ENOUGH.

I suggest this thread to be locked. Its just another "crying over Disney's grave" thread, and we have gotten enough of this in the respective threads.

[BK]

What an idiot.

There's no need to be nice to ignorant buffoons if they can't even use logic to comprehend what they've said. Next time, try and think, if what you're saying makes any sense before posting it.

[IagoZazu]

Ok, my enthusiasm of Pixar might not be as big as it was in the past, but I never think that Pixar shouldn't have existed. While they do shine over Disney, they are important to Disney's development and clout. I can't imagine what Disney would be like today without Pixar there to back them up.

Disney just so happened to release under-performing movies at a time when Pixar movies kept getting better and better. I would say the ones you should be mad at would be people that are too caught up with Pixar to see that they are a part of Disney and as a result they treat them like a separate entity.

For now, please don't fret about TPatF not getting an award. You make Up, a great movie, look bad.

[Heil Donald Duck]

Nothing out shine Snow White.

[magicalwands]

But I'm just kind of mad that Pixar is outshining Disney when it comes to animated movies.

Seems like if it were any studio other than Disney being on top, you wouldn't be happy at all.

And because of that, Pixar's movies continue to steal away the Best Animated Feature Oscar, beginning with Ratatouille- despite me rooting for it. Thus, I sometimes wish Pixar never existed.

Pixar isn't the only one stealing the Oscars away from Disney. Spirited Away beat out both Treasure Planet and Lilo and Stitch.

It really saddens me this thread was created. 2009 was a VERY great year for animation. We got a new Miyazaki film Ponyo, LAIKA's first film with Coraline, and we got fabulously created Fantastic Mr. Fox. I wouldn't want these films to have been less of what they are or not created at all for the sake of Disney or even Pixar winning an award.

By the way, nearly everyone at Pixar went to CalArts. You would think a lot of them started with traditional animation basics before moving onto 3D. Pixar is the popular studio because they believe in good stories. I don't know why it is concocted in your minds Pixar hates 2D animation.

[milojthatch]

I'm happy they exist. CGI films would have been made sooner or later and so would Pixar. If not them, someone else. The way it worked out though, the achievements of Pixar can be claimed by Disney and keep them on the cutting edge.

I miss 2D animation like many on here and in the animation community, but I don't think it is fair to blame Pixar for that loss.

[ohmahaaha]

Okay, true, that if it weren't for John Lasseter, Disney would still be doing CGI movies and not doing any hand-drawn movies. But I'm just kind of mad that Pixar is outshining Disney when it comes to animated movies.

And because of that, Pixar's movies continue to steal away the Best Animated Feature Oscar, beginning with Ratatouille- despite me rooting for it. Thus, I sometimes wish Pixar never existed.

Pixar is not stealing ANYTHING. They have deserved every single accolade that they have received - they are simply the best team out there for this kind of product. You should be rejoicing in their existence and their product because Disney and Dreamworks (and anyone else that wants to throw their hat in the ring) should be elevating their game in order to compete, but they have mostly been falling short - that is a fact. You can't argue with numbers. You're right in one thing, Pixar would not have existed without Disney ... because Disney fired John Lasseter years ago when he worked for them, which eventually led to him founding Pixar.

[Siren]

Pixar is successful for their stories first, animation second. True, their animation is what captured the audience's eye, but its the story that keeps their attention. Pixar simply has had superior story writers over Disney. They are willing to take a risk here and there too. They are willing to go into more detail.

Face it, Disney likes to make them fast and cheap.

Pixar is what Disney use to be and ought to still be.

[DisneyJedi]

Pixar is what Disney use to be and ought to still be.

Well, why the hell is Disney not being what it used to be?! I'm guessing because the company's now run by Cheapy the Cheapskate. I mean, the only reason Disney isn't itself lately is because some idiot turned the company into a frickin' piggy bank!