Tangled (formerly Rapunzel) Discussion - Part II

[totallyminnie86]

Whatever the case with the authenticity of the trailer, I have a renewed hope of how good this film might be. Indeed, I do like that approach seen in the trailer, as opposed to a cartoon-y, gimmick filled approach. I love the mystery and the excitement built around it. Its a smart tactic, and one I hope they continue to use officially.

On a side note, I personally had an experience where I saw a very rough cut teaser trailer of a Disney movie for a test market basis, so its always a possibility that could be what this was. Some years ago, I was at the mall, and one of those little 'market research' kiosks were pulling people aside asking them to participate, all they said was it was for upcoming movies, and that perked my interest, so I went over and they set me up with this private screen and headphones, and I was thrilled when I knew it was Disney, I ended up seeing a trailer for what became Brother Bear.

[Disney's Divinity]

To those of you who DON'T think it's "painterly," can I ask what exactly you were expecting?

As I said before, I don't care if it's 'painterly' or not (that has very little to do with what I think of a film, though it wouldn't hurt my opinion), just that I disagree with people who are saying it is.

As for what I would expect of something that would be called "painterly"? Um...something that looks like a painting? None of what's in the trailer (all splendid two shots of it) looks like a painting to me, but standard CGI a la Bolt. It's strange, but the flowers in particular stood out to me as the most plastic part about the trailer. And if we were to discuss the specific painting that was the style inspiration for the film, it's definitely nothing like that one. Maybe in the end the movie will look "painterly," but what little I've seen doesn't seem to be.

To Deco King: I'm so sorry for your experience, and I hope you'll be able to move beyond that experience alright.

[DisneyLuver]

Did anyone notice that the teaser for this uses the same music as the Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows teaser?
Sorry, I pretty much had a spaz attack when I heard it.. being the insane maniac I am about Harry Potter.

That asides, that teaser was... interesting.

[ajmrowland]

Look on page 11.

And this is very painterly, or at least as close as currently possible.

[DisneyJedi]

Okay, I saw Little Shop of Horrors recently- the movie version-, which Alan Menken did the music for with Howard Ashman, before they came to Disney to work on The Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast. But now, I feel a bit at ease with him making the music being rock and roll-ish for Tangled.

[Mooky]

To those of you who DON'T think it's "painterly," can I ask what exactly you were expecting?

As for what I would expect of something that would be called "painterly"? Um...something that looks like a painting? None of what's in the trailer (all splendid two shots of it) looks like a painting to me, but standard CGI a la Bolt. It's strange, but the flowers in particular stood out to me as the most plastic part about the trailer. And if we were to discuss the specific painting that was the style inspiration for the film, it's definitely nothing like that one. Maybe in the end the movie will look "painterly," but what little I've seen doesn't seem to be.

What Divinity said.

To be honest, I never understood the idea behind this movie. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a painting by its core definition is a flat image where depth and dimension are achieved by shading and lighting - which would also mean Disney made 40+ moving paintings way before Rapunzel came along - and to apply that logic to an already three-dimensional CG model would require making it visually much flatter. So to answer your question SWillie!, I expected something à la "Constant Tin Soldier" in "Fantasia 2000".

Now, if by painterly elements in the teaser you guys mean generally softer texture, then yes, I can see that. However, I saw pretty much the same level of softness in the new "Toy Story 3" trailer.

[SWillie!]

I think the problem is that you guys are looking at "painterly" more or less literally...

To me at least, on the contrary, "painterly" has everything to do with what kind of feeling it evokes. The warm, lush tones... the 'soft' quality, like you said. To me, I see this and makes me FEEL fairy tale. And THAT, to me, makes it "painterly."

I think when they mentioned how they wanted to make it look like 2D, some people took it too literally, also. They're not trying to actually make it look like a hand-drawn animated movie. That would be completely silly. What I think they meant by that is that they're trying to give that same rich, warm FEEL of 2D. That's my take on it.

[Poody]

Ok I guess I haven't commented on this yet. But this new "teaser" makes the movie seem more serious and mysterious than the previous leaked trailer.

[DisneyFan09]

Agreed. I just hope the final trailer (and the movie) is going to be just as good.

[megustajake]

Shouldn't we be getting a new trailer with Alice this weekend?

[ajmrowland]

Not happening.

[WDWLocal]

It's a lost cause.

When Cinderella is released on Blu-Ray it'll be retitled 'Prince and the Mice'.

This is a crock full of shit. Tangled, seriously, f**k you Disney, or should I say the Bob Iger Company.

There'll be NO Iger-bashing, BK Broiler!

[singerguy04]

It's a lost cause.

When Cinderella is released on Blu-Ray it'll be retitled 'Prince and the Mice'.

This is a crock full of shit. Tangled, seriously, f**k you Disney, or should I say the Bob Iger Company.

There'll be NO Iger-bashing, BK Broiler!

You are in no position to tell people what they can't and cannot say. Local, I understand that you love Disney and so do the rest of us, but you have GOT to STOP behaving in this manner. You are only embarrassing yourself and making a lot of people dislike you.

I'm sorry to go off topic, but I could no longer read the offensive things you write and stay silent. You need to grow up.

[Super Aurora]

It's a lost cause.

When Cinderella is released on Blu-Ray it'll be retitled 'Prince and the Mice'.

This is a crock full of shit. Tangled, seriously, f**k you Disney, or should I say the Bob Iger Company.

There'll be NO Iger-bashing, BK Broiler!

[Disney Duster]

To make the film painterly, Glen Keane wanted CGI that looked like a painting if you didn't see it move. Then, when you saw it move, you felt the dimensions, and could see the gorgeous, detailed painting at different angles.

Remember, someone at Disney recreated the water-color painted background of Snow White's cottage...in CGI, and it rotated in 3D?

Glen Keane wanted this painting to be made in CGI:


And it was. This image revolved and showed all angles in 3D CGI.


And so this tower you see is actually a CGI image:


It was shown later with the clouds moving and the hair blowing in the wind:


Now, it looks like they have achieved what they wanted for a whole film to be able to have. The point being, if you just saw this picture, wouldn't you think it was a painting?:



And if you don't think these flowers look painted...maybe get your sight checked...

[blackcauldron85]

Remember, someone made the water-color painted background of Snow White's cottage...in CGI, and it rotated in 3D?

???

if you just saw this picture, wouldn't you think it was a painting?:

That's actually a really good point, a good way to think about the whole painterly thing. Yes, to me, it does look like a painting.

[ajmrowland]

Remember, someone at Disney recreated the water-color painted background of Snow White's cottage...in CGI, and it rotated in 3D?

I would love to see a video of this if there is one.

[singerguy04]

Remember, someone at Disney recreated the water-color painted background of Snow White's cottage...in CGI, and it rotated in 3D?

I don't think anyone has actually seen this. I think it was either a rumor or just completely made up all together.

Also, not to really challenge you or anything because I agree the new trailer does look a lot closer to a painting in 3D, but the old image with the old Rapunzel logo from 4 or so years ago isn't exactly a good example. I don't think it was ever said that the old tower design nor the tower in that animated image was actually done in CGI. I always knew that image as a drawn/painted concept art. The animated title was just that image with the CGI clouds and hair added in....

I think when people hear "painterly CGI", they are assuming that it means that the CGI is going to look like the older classic DAC's. What needs to be kept in mind is that although it looks more "painterly" it is still going to be a 3D environment, which is a tell tale sign of CGI. So it will be both of those combined. I don't think that trailer looks too much like either art. In motion is does look CGI, but in feel and design (and when paused) the image looks hand created. I almost see this as an entire new medium, and to be honest I'm very excited to see it in action. I only hope the human characters look as good as the environment!

[robster16]

I really hope they add a lot of the animation tests for this movie on the dvd. That Snow White cottage scene and the recreation of some of those Ariel scenes in 3D, the Fragonard sequence, that ballerina animation that was shown on some segment on a US tv show of which we only have caps.

I'd love to see comparisons between the different versions of the story on the DVD/Blu-ray. Storyboarded scenes from that version, maybe work in progress reels. That first act of Glen Keane's version of the story that John Lasseter once called one of the best first acts in an animated feature ever. LOADS of pre-production artwork, maybe some animation tests by Glen Keane who undoubtedly animated certain scenes in 2D as refference for the 3D artists...

[DisneyJedi]

It's a lost cause.

When Cinderella is released on Blu-Ray it'll be retitled 'Prince and the Mice'.

This is a crock full of shit. Tangled, seriously, f**k you Disney, or should I say the Bob Iger Company.

There'll be NO Iger-bashing, BK Broiler!

I agree. You're such a baby, BK.