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Avatar (2009)
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Cameron Talks Avatar Blu-ray/DVD Releases and Sequel
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=63460
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UPDATE: Fox contacted us today saying that "Avatar" is not scheduled to be released on 3D Blu-ray in November. "3D is in the conceptual stage and 'Avatar' will not be out on 3D Blu-ray in November," the studio said.
We'll let you know when they do expect it to be released in 3D.
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Avatar was passed over the British Film Awards, instead it was Kathryn Bigelow who won Best Director and "The Hurt Locker" won for Best Picture.
Wonder if that could signal an upset in the making here in Hollywood when the Oscars are revealed on March 7, 2010.
Wonder if that could signal an upset in the making here in Hollywood when the Oscars are revealed on March 7, 2010.
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How many different cuts of Avatar is there? Here is the title, date rated, ratings and running times that the BBFC have:
AVATAR [IMAX] - 15/12/2009 - 12A - 161m 51s
AVATAR [2D version] - 07/12/2009 - 12A - 161m 35s
AVATAR [3D VERSION] - 08/12/2009 - 12A - 161m 0s
AVATAR - 23/02/2010 - 12 - 155m 0s
I'm puzzled about the second one. It's got a shorter running time but a higher rating.
AVATAR [IMAX] - 15/12/2009 - 12A - 161m 51s
AVATAR [2D version] - 07/12/2009 - 12A - 161m 35s
AVATAR [3D VERSION] - 08/12/2009 - 12A - 161m 0s
AVATAR - 23/02/2010 - 12 - 155m 0s
I'm puzzled about the second one. It's got a shorter running time but a higher rating.
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Avatar has just broken 700 million in domestic grosses on Saturday. It was actually on Saturday that I saw Avatar for the first time. So I contributed to it the day it broke 700. I have to say though the movie did not live up to my expectations. Everyone I know said this movie was a cinematic masterpiece.
The visuals are but the story isn't. It is a very good movie but something about it just didn't do it for me. I liked it but something kept me from loving it. I don't think the story deserves all the money it makes but the visuals are completely stunning and pushes Avatar to great heights.
The visuals are but the story isn't. It is a very good movie but something about it just didn't do it for me. I liked it but something kept me from loving it. I don't think the story deserves all the money it makes but the visuals are completely stunning and pushes Avatar to great heights.
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I've seen Avatar, and here are my thoughts:
UNMARKED SPOILERS AHEAD!
The film turned out to be better than I expected. The plot and characters, despite their flaws, actually pulled me into the film's world. I do think the characters could've been developed more (both Na'vi and humans) but what I saw was adequate enough. There was actually a lot of subtext in the film and it worked quite well for the film's favour. Even the heavy-handed message didn't bother me that much.
I enjoyed the fact that Selfridge and Quaritch weren't complete douches and actually had some nice scenes. For example, Quaritch's bitter speech about his scar and opting to "scare" the Na'vi away first before using bigger guns, Selfridge actually allowing Jake and co to plug in one more time to convince the Na'vi to leave the Hometree and him even hesitating to launch the attack. I think these scenes actually gave the villains some depth and redeemed them at least in my eyes from being total cardboard cutouts.
The romance between Jake and Neytiri was what I expected (I assumed there'd be a longer sex scene, though, but I guess I should be grateful that I didn't see more than what was shown). It was interesting how Neytiri was attracted to Jake's strength and slowly came to accept him and how it all "seemingly" connected to the bigger Eywa mythology aspect. However, I think that there were some important scenes cut out from this romance subplot because there was a spot where Neytiri's affection for Jake changes from friendly to romantic in almost the blink of an eye and it just seemed a bit too sudden. Well, either there's more development in deleted scenes or then Cameron just didn't care. As for Tsu'Tey, I actually liked watching him do stuff despite his clichéd role. I just wish he'd been used a bit more to give him more character development.
The scientists vs. soldiers angle was what I expected but it was ok nonetheless. Grace was a fun character to watch but sadly the rest of the cast (including Trudy, Spellman, and that ax-crazy mecha pilot guy who leads the ground assault during the final battle) seemed like they were actually meant to have more screentime but their footage was cut out of the film. I hope the deleted scenes will reveal whether there were any other worthwhile scenes for them.
This leads to one of the things that irked me in the film: the what-ifs. There were several scenes that seemed too short. It felt like Cameron had shot a lot of footage and had to cut a lot out to make the film short enough. To give one example, what happens to Jake's Banshee after he takes over the Leonopteryx? If a Na'vi warrior and his Banshee are meant to be forever linked, why doesn't the beast show up in the final battle? Did the Leonopteryx kill it during the unseen capture scene? Scenes like this pulled me out of the film on occasion and I do think a few extra seconds of e.g. seeing the Leonopteryx killing the Banshee and then diving after Jake to kill him (and then the scene would've been cut off to increase tension before Jake would make his heroic entrance to the Na'vi meeting with said Leonopteryx now as his new steed) would've been preferred if Cameron just wanted to get rid of the Banshee to make room for the cool Leonopteryx.
Anyways, the actors were merely ok which was a bit of a disappointment. If I watch a glorified popcorn flick like this, I do expect memorable performances. For instance, the first two Mummy films, despite having their flaws, had enjoyable and memorable characters. On Avatar the most common nominator seems to be close-to-blankness. Well, they do have some fine scenes but sometimes it looks like they don't even care or are tired (e.g. Trudy's final scene which looked to me like the actress was utterly bored or just couldn't stand being filmed by Cameron any longer). Quaritch actually makes an impression because he's one of the few characters who actually tries to make his every scene count. It's probably his role as the villain that lets him be so hammy in delivery but that's what I wanted to see and hear more of.
I did like Neytiri for the most part because there were some emotional scenes (funny, contemplative, angry, and even tragic ones) which allowed her to express herself in a memorable way. One particularly memorable scene is the destruction of the Hometree when she's crying her eyes out and yells at Jake: there's quite a lot of emotion in that scene which shows how vulnerable she really was inside and how much the destruction of the Hometree affected her. I was also really happy to see that it was she who got to kill Quaritch; when I was watching the film, that scene was a positive surprise and showed her resourcefulness instead of letting Jake take all the glory. As for the other characters, Jake who should have a lot of charisma for such an important part just looked like "Ok, let's get this shoot over with so I can get back into my van" except for a few precious scenes. I really hoped that the film would get more out of the actors and I think the "blandness" kind of hurt the film's narrative and characterization.
Cinematography was handled well and there were many nice shots which helped support the narrative. I was glad to see that some shots actually took their time to set a proper mood instead of cutting all over the place (which is one of the big sins of films nowadays). The CGI looked quite good but not mind-blowing. Still, there were many gorgeous scenes such as the opening on the space ship, glowing plants in the jungle at night, the trip to the flying mountains, the first flight scene with the Banshee, the destruction of the Hometree and calling the Na'vi clans to battle to name a few. I'd like to point out that two scenes that especially struck me were the grotesquely beautiful destruction of the Hometree and then the epic Na'vi call for war with that nice montage. Part of the reason for their effectiveness was the good use of James Horner's score.
Horner's score was quite interesting on many levels. When I first heard the OST, I thought it sounded pretty but that was about it. After a few more listening sessions I began to understand the complexity and nuances of the overall tonal structure and how there were many themes and motifs at work. The music wasn't as revolutionary as Horner claimed in some interviews, but it did turn out to be one of his better efforts since the kickass Legend of Zorro score. I'm also a sucker for good choral music and the score really delivered such vocal goodness in spades.
The leitmotif that really struck me was the discovery/love theme (heard in a beautiful rendition from 00:51 onward in "Becoming One of 'The People'/Becoming One with Neytiri"). It really serves an overall bridge and identity of the entire score as it chronicles both Jake's experiences with his new Avatar body (and his interactions with the world of Pandora and its inhabitants) as well as the growing relationship between him and Neytiri. It isn't maybe as memorable as Horner's other works but it's obvious that it contains the soul of the score. It was a delight to hear this theme on screen (and even discover the various transformations the theme went through). There were of course a lot of other memorable themes such as the Na'vi culture theme (heard e.g. 3:08 - 3:54 in "Becoming One of 'The People'/Becoming One with Neytiri") and the ascension theme (heard e.g. from 00:30 onward in "Climbing Up 'Iknimaya' - The Path to Heaven"), but the discovery/love theme is really the driving force in the score because of its emotional importance for both Jake and Neytiri's journeys.
It was actually very interesting to discover quite many different themes (for various aspects of the Na'vi and the military) and motifs in the score, some of them being very interestingly hidden permutations of existing themes. There are some scenes which become even more stunning thanks to Horner's evocative score: good candidates are "Jake's First Flight", "The Destruction of Hometree", and "Gathering All the Na'vi Clans for Battle". Particularly the latter two had some bone-chilling moments when paired with visuals on screen. The scene with the Tree falling and its effects on the Na'vi was heartbreaking to watch. I'd also like to mention two brief musical moments which had quite an impact on me because of their fine juxtaposition in the film: Jake and Neytiri's intimate scene (from 05:48 onward in "Becoming One of 'The People'/Becoming One with Neytiri") and when Jake damages the ship's engine with his grenades during the final battle (05:28 - 06:07 in "War").
Of course every score has its weaknesses, and Avatar is no exception. Horner does reuse many of his themes from other movies he's scored (e.g. the ascension theme is pretty much a beefed up version of the anthem theme from Glory), or actually I should say he's using Prokofiev et al themes since he took many of his themes from earlier composers. Still, over the years I've come to understand Horner's blatant "ripoffs": he isn't thinking of music like the average composer. He's actually painting tonally and using his regular themes as general motifs for danger etc. Basically his entire oeuvre is just one big symphonic poem with recurring themes and motifs. I don't know if this justifies his reuse of themes but it makes it understandable. And the majority of people watching the film won't even care or pay attention to this stuff, so yeah.
The OST also suffers from some cool missing music so I hope a complete score surfaces eventually. An especially jarring example of cut&paste is in "War" which omits a few bits (like the music used during Trudy's sacrifice if I recall). Some of the melodies could also be a bit more memorable because this is a blockbuster film score after all (although I do appreciate the intelligent merging and manipulation of ideas beneath the orchestral layers). Despite these flaws, Horner's score is one of his better works. I see it as a kind of loving, tribal tribute to his earlier works. What's most important, however, is that it works amazingly well when heard on screen where it's supported by the film's visuals. Avatar wouldn't have been nearly as effective if the score hadn't been this good and crucial to the film's narrative.
So, how does Avatar hold up overall? I'd say it's above average but nothing OMG-tastic. It's basically a glorified popcorn movie which is enjoyable enough even if it could've been improved. With all things considered, I'd give Avatar 3½ or 4- stars out of 5 in its current incarnation, but the rating is subject to change if the eventual extended edition improves the film in any way.
UNMARKED SPOILERS AHEAD!
The film turned out to be better than I expected. The plot and characters, despite their flaws, actually pulled me into the film's world. I do think the characters could've been developed more (both Na'vi and humans) but what I saw was adequate enough. There was actually a lot of subtext in the film and it worked quite well for the film's favour. Even the heavy-handed message didn't bother me that much.
I enjoyed the fact that Selfridge and Quaritch weren't complete douches and actually had some nice scenes. For example, Quaritch's bitter speech about his scar and opting to "scare" the Na'vi away first before using bigger guns, Selfridge actually allowing Jake and co to plug in one more time to convince the Na'vi to leave the Hometree and him even hesitating to launch the attack. I think these scenes actually gave the villains some depth and redeemed them at least in my eyes from being total cardboard cutouts.
The romance between Jake and Neytiri was what I expected (I assumed there'd be a longer sex scene, though, but I guess I should be grateful that I didn't see more than what was shown). It was interesting how Neytiri was attracted to Jake's strength and slowly came to accept him and how it all "seemingly" connected to the bigger Eywa mythology aspect. However, I think that there were some important scenes cut out from this romance subplot because there was a spot where Neytiri's affection for Jake changes from friendly to romantic in almost the blink of an eye and it just seemed a bit too sudden. Well, either there's more development in deleted scenes or then Cameron just didn't care. As for Tsu'Tey, I actually liked watching him do stuff despite his clichéd role. I just wish he'd been used a bit more to give him more character development.
The scientists vs. soldiers angle was what I expected but it was ok nonetheless. Grace was a fun character to watch but sadly the rest of the cast (including Trudy, Spellman, and that ax-crazy mecha pilot guy who leads the ground assault during the final battle) seemed like they were actually meant to have more screentime but their footage was cut out of the film. I hope the deleted scenes will reveal whether there were any other worthwhile scenes for them.
This leads to one of the things that irked me in the film: the what-ifs. There were several scenes that seemed too short. It felt like Cameron had shot a lot of footage and had to cut a lot out to make the film short enough. To give one example, what happens to Jake's Banshee after he takes over the Leonopteryx? If a Na'vi warrior and his Banshee are meant to be forever linked, why doesn't the beast show up in the final battle? Did the Leonopteryx kill it during the unseen capture scene? Scenes like this pulled me out of the film on occasion and I do think a few extra seconds of e.g. seeing the Leonopteryx killing the Banshee and then diving after Jake to kill him (and then the scene would've been cut off to increase tension before Jake would make his heroic entrance to the Na'vi meeting with said Leonopteryx now as his new steed) would've been preferred if Cameron just wanted to get rid of the Banshee to make room for the cool Leonopteryx.
Anyways, the actors were merely ok which was a bit of a disappointment. If I watch a glorified popcorn flick like this, I do expect memorable performances. For instance, the first two Mummy films, despite having their flaws, had enjoyable and memorable characters. On Avatar the most common nominator seems to be close-to-blankness. Well, they do have some fine scenes but sometimes it looks like they don't even care or are tired (e.g. Trudy's final scene which looked to me like the actress was utterly bored or just couldn't stand being filmed by Cameron any longer). Quaritch actually makes an impression because he's one of the few characters who actually tries to make his every scene count. It's probably his role as the villain that lets him be so hammy in delivery but that's what I wanted to see and hear more of.
I did like Neytiri for the most part because there were some emotional scenes (funny, contemplative, angry, and even tragic ones) which allowed her to express herself in a memorable way. One particularly memorable scene is the destruction of the Hometree when she's crying her eyes out and yells at Jake: there's quite a lot of emotion in that scene which shows how vulnerable she really was inside and how much the destruction of the Hometree affected her. I was also really happy to see that it was she who got to kill Quaritch; when I was watching the film, that scene was a positive surprise and showed her resourcefulness instead of letting Jake take all the glory. As for the other characters, Jake who should have a lot of charisma for such an important part just looked like "Ok, let's get this shoot over with so I can get back into my van" except for a few precious scenes. I really hoped that the film would get more out of the actors and I think the "blandness" kind of hurt the film's narrative and characterization.
Cinematography was handled well and there were many nice shots which helped support the narrative. I was glad to see that some shots actually took their time to set a proper mood instead of cutting all over the place (which is one of the big sins of films nowadays). The CGI looked quite good but not mind-blowing. Still, there were many gorgeous scenes such as the opening on the space ship, glowing plants in the jungle at night, the trip to the flying mountains, the first flight scene with the Banshee, the destruction of the Hometree and calling the Na'vi clans to battle to name a few. I'd like to point out that two scenes that especially struck me were the grotesquely beautiful destruction of the Hometree and then the epic Na'vi call for war with that nice montage. Part of the reason for their effectiveness was the good use of James Horner's score.
Horner's score was quite interesting on many levels. When I first heard the OST, I thought it sounded pretty but that was about it. After a few more listening sessions I began to understand the complexity and nuances of the overall tonal structure and how there were many themes and motifs at work. The music wasn't as revolutionary as Horner claimed in some interviews, but it did turn out to be one of his better efforts since the kickass Legend of Zorro score. I'm also a sucker for good choral music and the score really delivered such vocal goodness in spades.
The leitmotif that really struck me was the discovery/love theme (heard in a beautiful rendition from 00:51 onward in "Becoming One of 'The People'/Becoming One with Neytiri"). It really serves an overall bridge and identity of the entire score as it chronicles both Jake's experiences with his new Avatar body (and his interactions with the world of Pandora and its inhabitants) as well as the growing relationship between him and Neytiri. It isn't maybe as memorable as Horner's other works but it's obvious that it contains the soul of the score. It was a delight to hear this theme on screen (and even discover the various transformations the theme went through). There were of course a lot of other memorable themes such as the Na'vi culture theme (heard e.g. 3:08 - 3:54 in "Becoming One of 'The People'/Becoming One with Neytiri") and the ascension theme (heard e.g. from 00:30 onward in "Climbing Up 'Iknimaya' - The Path to Heaven"), but the discovery/love theme is really the driving force in the score because of its emotional importance for both Jake and Neytiri's journeys.
It was actually very interesting to discover quite many different themes (for various aspects of the Na'vi and the military) and motifs in the score, some of them being very interestingly hidden permutations of existing themes. There are some scenes which become even more stunning thanks to Horner's evocative score: good candidates are "Jake's First Flight", "The Destruction of Hometree", and "Gathering All the Na'vi Clans for Battle". Particularly the latter two had some bone-chilling moments when paired with visuals on screen. The scene with the Tree falling and its effects on the Na'vi was heartbreaking to watch. I'd also like to mention two brief musical moments which had quite an impact on me because of their fine juxtaposition in the film: Jake and Neytiri's intimate scene (from 05:48 onward in "Becoming One of 'The People'/Becoming One with Neytiri") and when Jake damages the ship's engine with his grenades during the final battle (05:28 - 06:07 in "War").
Of course every score has its weaknesses, and Avatar is no exception. Horner does reuse many of his themes from other movies he's scored (e.g. the ascension theme is pretty much a beefed up version of the anthem theme from Glory), or actually I should say he's using Prokofiev et al themes since he took many of his themes from earlier composers. Still, over the years I've come to understand Horner's blatant "ripoffs": he isn't thinking of music like the average composer. He's actually painting tonally and using his regular themes as general motifs for danger etc. Basically his entire oeuvre is just one big symphonic poem with recurring themes and motifs. I don't know if this justifies his reuse of themes but it makes it understandable. And the majority of people watching the film won't even care or pay attention to this stuff, so yeah.
The OST also suffers from some cool missing music so I hope a complete score surfaces eventually. An especially jarring example of cut&paste is in "War" which omits a few bits (like the music used during Trudy's sacrifice if I recall). Some of the melodies could also be a bit more memorable because this is a blockbuster film score after all (although I do appreciate the intelligent merging and manipulation of ideas beneath the orchestral layers). Despite these flaws, Horner's score is one of his better works. I see it as a kind of loving, tribal tribute to his earlier works. What's most important, however, is that it works amazingly well when heard on screen where it's supported by the film's visuals. Avatar wouldn't have been nearly as effective if the score hadn't been this good and crucial to the film's narrative.
So, how does Avatar hold up overall? I'd say it's above average but nothing OMG-tastic. It's basically a glorified popcorn movie which is enjoyable enough even if it could've been improved. With all things considered, I'd give Avatar 3½ or 4- stars out of 5 in its current incarnation, but the rating is subject to change if the eventual extended edition improves the film in any way.
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Tomorrow, at The Grove in Los Angeles, CA, Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainement in conjunction with Inwindow Outdoor will unveil an interactive digital exhibition to promote the release of Avatar on Blu-ray and DVD. The Avatar display is a 60’ x 10’ structure at The Grove and features three ‘morphing stations’ surrounded by vinyl and branded in Avatar themes. As mall shoppers approach the screens, facial recognition technology will hone in on their faces and transform them into Na’vi, the blue skinned species from the future made famous in the movie. Once the morph is complete, users can enter their email address via touch-screen so they can be sent the video of their transformation along with information on where to purchase the DVD.
Plot points of Avatar 2 revealed: http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2010/apr ... es-cameron
Also, in case you haven't heard, the upcoming DVD release of Avatar is BARE BONES. Not even closed captioned according to Amazon reviews. I will buy the regular DVD anyways now. In November get the Ultimate Edition on Blu.
Also, in case you haven't heard, the upcoming DVD release of Avatar is BARE BONES. Not even closed captioned according to Amazon reviews. I will buy the regular DVD anyways now. In November get the Ultimate Edition on Blu.
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Best price I have found for the "Avatar" Blu-ray+DVD Combo release tomorrow on Earth Day is Target at $19.99. This may be the best price for this film anywhere in town for those of us who want it now and don't want to wait for the mail to come.
Since 3-D televisions are still out of my price range and there is not enough to make me want to spend that kind of money, I could care less if "Avatar" comes out next year in 3-D. It is just fine the way it is and I don't have to "keep up with the Jonese" to get it in 3-D.
Since 3-D televisions are still out of my price range and there is not enough to make me want to spend that kind of money, I could care less if "Avatar" comes out next year in 3-D. It is just fine the way it is and I don't have to "keep up with the Jonese" to get it in 3-D.
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This may be a bare bones release, but I am telling you, this is the best Blu-ray out on the market today. And $19.99 for the Combo blu-ray + DVD pack is not unreasonable at all when the MSRP is suggest to be $34.99.
Sure down the road there may be an extra-special two-or-three disc version with tons of extras, but I will weigh that decision when it comes. I for sure will not buy the 3-D version for two reasons, won't buy a television for this movie or any other 3-D films, and I get more than my share of motion sickness in the 2-D version on my 60" HDTV monitor. And with my vision problems I don't see 3-D that well anyway, and I hate those damned glasses!!!
Sure down the road there may be an extra-special two-or-three disc version with tons of extras, but I will weigh that decision when it comes. I for sure will not buy the 3-D version for two reasons, won't buy a television for this movie or any other 3-D films, and I get more than my share of motion sickness in the 2-D version on my 60" HDTV monitor. And with my vision problems I don't see 3-D that well anyway, and I hate those damned glasses!!!
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