Fantasia/F2K: 2-Movie Collection Discussion: Nov. 30, 2010

[BackgroundActorman1976]

Can i ask a legitimate question real quick here. Why is it so many people on this site appear to have a hatered of Bluray.
I honestly dont understand it, and would like a little insite as to why so many people on here come across this way in terms of negativity towards bluray.

I mean fantasia is going to look absolutely stunning on bluray, it quite possibly is my most anticipated release of 2010, more so than even the indiana jones trilogy,Alien Qudrillogy, back to the future or Jaws which are all suppose to be comming this year.

[ajmrowland]

Can i ask a legitimate question real quick here. Why is it so many people on this site appear to have a hatered of Bluray.
I honestly dont understand it, and would like a little insite as to why so many people on here come across this way in terms of negativity towards bluray.

I mean fantasia is going to look absolutely stunning on bluray, it quite possibly is my most anticipated release of 2010, more so than even the indiana jones trilogy,Alien Qudrillogy, back to the future or Jaws which are all suppose to be comming this year.

Idk. It's them(the whiners) who give us such a bad reputation as a site.

I'd love to see their reaction when their dvd players break to the point they're forced to go blu.

And dont get ahead of yourself. I see any one of those 4 you mentioned single-handedly outselling the more obscure Fantasias.

[singerguy04]

I don't think he was saying that they were going to outsell the Fantasias, just simply that he's really excited for them and that they are all going to look great on blu!

I see where you're coming from about there seeming to be a larger "blu-hating" crowd here than a "blu-loving" one. I think the fact is that we're actually split more along the center. I know I'm a blu fan, but I don't really feel the need to say it in every post I make. I do agree with the more hardcore DVD fans that it's not a HUGE upgrade though. Overall it's not even needed, DVD's still look great and will definitely last a person a long time if treated properly. That's their argument for the most part. They aren't so much anti-blu or anti-upgrades, but they are willing to skip the blu craze until the next big thing comes along, which we'd all be extremely foolish to believe that the next big thing will not come within the next 15, 10, or even 5 years. That upgrade could be a big enough jump for the DVD owners to upgrade, and if it's not blu's will be cheap enough for them to upgrade without much cost. Overall I say it doesn't matter what others prefer, all that matters is what you want to buy. So let they complain, hate, love, praise, or sign petitions all they want. Buy what you want and let it be.

Anyways, back on topic. I, for one, and extremely disappointed that we have to wait until December for these releases now. I know that they will more than likely have better sales at that time, but I feel like I've been waiting for this release for years... oh wait, i have been waiting for this release for years. I just sucks to have to wait practically another year! It's also very frustrating for me that there will not be a release that is a DE or at least on par with one until BatB this fall. The Princess and the Frog should be receiving a better release to make up for it in my opinion, but instead I feel like I've been screwed into settling for BS "special editions" until 3 DE's come this holiday season that they might as well release tomorrow because I have so little expectancy in Disney's home releases that I feel like whatever they have done right now for all three of those films is probably as good as what we would get 8-10 months from now.


in closing and to paraphrase everything I said above, I think the release schedule for 2010 is stupid.

[BackgroundActorman1976]

just thought of something i wonder if the reasoning behind the December release date for the fantasia blurays isnt to tie in with the Home video release for Sorcerers Apprentice.
SA comes to theatres in July so it makes sense that it would most likely hit stores in December probably the same week that we saw Gforce on blu last year.

iam still hating that we arent getting it this spring. but if they moved it back to tie in with the live action S.A. Blu/DVD release then that atleast makes sense.

[BackgroundActorman1976]

I was meaning that Fantasia was MY most anticipated release lol and then compared them to those other big titles which i am also looking forward to.

Can i ask a legitimate question real quick here. Why is it so many people on this site appear to have a hatered of Bluray.
I honestly dont understand it, and would like a little insite as to why so many people on here come across this way in terms of negativity towards bluray.

I mean fantasia is going to look absolutely stunning on bluray, it quite possibly is my most anticipated release of 2010, more so than even the indiana jones trilogy,Alien Qudrillogy, back to the future or Jaws which are all suppose to be comming this year.

Idk. It's them(the whiners) who give us such a bad reputation as a site.

I'd love to see their reaction when their dvd players break to the point they're forced to go blu.

And dont get ahead of yourself. I see any one of those 4 you mentioned single-handedly outselling the more obscure Fantasias.

[podman]

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[podman]

Can i ask a legitimate question real quick here. Why is it so many people on this site appear to have a hatered of Bluray.
I honestly dont understand it, and would like a little insite as to why so many people on here come across this way in terms of negativity towards bluray.

I mean fantasia is going to look absolutely stunning on bluray, it quite possibly is my most anticipated release of 2010, more so than even the indiana jones trilogy,Alien Qudrillogy, back to the future or Jaws which are all suppose to be comming this year.

From what I can tell this attitude comes from the top down. The owner of the site is not enamored with Blu-ray. I can understand their reasoning... if you were still watching on a smaller SDTV then the vastly increased resolution, color accuracy, and sound quality wouldn't matter to you. And of course some people simply don't care about the presentation quality... they just want the movies. For them, DVD quality is "good enough".

And the issue for these people is that DVD release decisions are being made (badly) by Disney in an effort to "push" the new format they don't want. Special features are dropped and releases are delayed or deleted.

Do you think if Blu-ray didn't exist that Disney would be messing with all of these release dates? I doubt it. They are very worried about releasing when they feel it is the optimum time for Blu-ray. And unfortunately DVDs will follow after that.

Personally, I am absolutely dying for these Blu-rays... they are so stunning on a 60" screen and the difference is undeniable. I think Disney is doing themselves (and especially fans) a huge disservice by announcing titles and then yanking them away at the last possible second. This casts them in a very bad light. I really want to be a fan, but these shenanigans have done nothing but leave a very bitter taste in my mouth for anything Disney. It has proven to me once again that Disney could not care less about their customers, and that any faith I should place in them to follow through on what they announce is incredibly misplaced. I beleieve Walt would find these actions incredibly distasteful.

Great job, Disney!

[miniroll32]

Good news guys!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036TGSVM

FANTASIA is now up on Amazon.com as an upcoming title (they usually put these up a month in advance to release)

Told you it'd be March

[The_Iceflash]

Can i ask a legitimate question real quick here. Why is it so many people on this site appear to have a hatered of Bluray.

Are you sure you're on the right site? There are many more here who are obsessed with it than hate it.

@singerguy04: I agree with you.

[blackcauldron85]

I do agree with the more hardcore DVD fans that it's not a HUGE upgrade though. Overall it's not even needed, DVD's still look great and will definitely last a person a long time if treated properly. That's their argument for the most part. They aren't so much anti-blu or anti-upgrades, but they are willing to skip the blu craze until the next big thing comes along, which we'd all be extremely foolish to believe that the next big thing will not come within the next 15, 10, or even 5 years. That upgrade could be a big enough jump for the DVD owners to upgrade, and if it's not blu's will be cheap enough for them to upgrade without much cost.

That's pretty much how I feel. I don't hate Blu-ray (although I'm not happy with all the bonus features Blu-rays get vs. DVDs ), but I don't feel inclined (nor does my small wallet!) to buy all the hardware needed. I'm happy with DVDs, and especially for DACs that have making-of or art books, not even counting all the info online, I feel that there is so much info already, even if I miss some documentaries, the info is still out there. And I'm perfectly happy with how the DVDs look (except for something like Mr. Toad, since that needs to be cleaned up a bit).

[jpanimation]

There are many reasons for people not wanting Blu-ray, here's some:

1) They don't have an HDTV, rendering all Blu-ray benefits worthless.
2) They have the Marky syndrome: where increased quality is a bad thing and the blurry picture not taking advantage of the HDTV they spent good money on is fine.
3) They feel betrayed that they spent thousands of dollars building a DVD collection to be told it's obsolete and that buying a Blu-ray player would make them feel obligated to upgrade their collection (which will lead to guilt over the money spent on the DVD collection).
4) They feel Blu-ray is too expensive (although with sales, I just picked up a new Sharp player for $60 and my last Blu-ray was only $10).
5) Other, less obvious reasons I'm not thinking of (disliking the case, marketing tactics, etc.).

Either way, these were all the same reasons VHS holdouts gave (I was one of them, so I know how the DVD holdouts feel). I only had a couple Disney DVD's because we kept buying VHS all the way up to the end. That's why I'm so excited over Blu-ray, its a GIANT leap ahead of my VHS copies (that I already sold two years ago on eBay in anticipation of the Blu-rays, making Fantasia's wait all the more painful).

The people that I just can't figure out are those with HDTV's and a Blu-ray player via PS3 that refuse to buy Blu-ray (even if its cheaper then the DVD version). I can't figure out what their beef with Blu-ray is but I can understand the others.

Good news guys!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036TGSVM

FANTASIA is now up on Amazon.com as an upcoming title (they usually put these up a month in advance to release)

Told you it'd be March

Umm, are Amazon placeholders reliable?

[BackgroundActorman1976]

Reason number 3 is not a valid reason though, if someone believes that there dvd catalog is obsolete then they have been seriously misinformed.
DVD titles are fully playable in ALL BLURAY PLAYERS.
Bluray was made backwards compatible.

further more Disney has been real big about including the dvd version of the movie in with every disneybluray released since the middle of 2009.

reason number one is a good reason for not wanting to upgrade but there is no reason for some of these people to hate bluray or be outright nasty to people who get enjoyment out of it.

thanks for your insights.

There are many reasons for people not wanting Blu-ray, here's some:

1) They don't have an HDTV, rendering all Blu-ray benefits worthless.
2) They have the Marky syndrome: where increased quality is a bad thing and the blurry picture not taking advantage of the HDTV they spent good money on is fine.
3) They feel betrayed that they spent thousands of dollars building a DVD collection to be told it's obsolete and that buying a Blu-ray player would make them feel obligated to upgrade their collection (which will lead to guilt over the money spent on the DVD collection).
4) They feel Blu-ray is too expensive (although with sales, I just picked up a new Sharp player for $60 and my last Blu-ray was only $10).
5) Other, less obvious reasons I'm not thinking of (disliking the case, marketing tactics, etc.).

Either way, these were all the same reasons VHS holdouts gave (I was one of them, so I know how the DVD holdouts feel). I only had a couple Disney DVD's because we kept buying VHS all the way up to the end. That's why I'm so excited over Blu-ray, its a GIANT leap ahead of my VHS copies (that I already sold two years ago on eBay in anticipation of the Blu-rays, making Fantasia's wait all the more painful).

The people that I just can't figure out are those with HDTV's and a Blu-ray player via PS3 that refuse to buy Blu-ray (even if its cheaper then the DVD version). I can't figure out what their beef with Blu-ray is but I can understand the others.

Good news guys!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036TGSVM

FANTASIA is now up on Amazon.com as an upcoming title (they usually put these up a month in advance to release)

Told you it'd be March

Umm, are Amazon placeholders reliable?

[BackgroundActorman1976]

sorry but place holders dont mean anything. and its pretty much been confirmed by disney now(via bill hunt) that these are heading our way in December. March would be nice though but unfortunately thats not very likely anymore.

Good news guys!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0036TGSVM

FANTASIA is now up on Amazon.com as an upcoming title (they usually put these up a month in advance to release)

Told you it'd be March

[ajmrowland]

I don't think he was saying that they were going to outsell the Fantasias, just simply that he's really excited for them and that they are all going to look great on blu!

I see where you're coming from about there seeming to be a larger "blu-hating" crowd here than a "blu-loving" one. I think the fact is that we're actually split more along the center. I know I'm a blu fan, but I don't really feel the need to say it in every post I make. I do agree with the more hardcore DVD fans that it's not a HUGE upgrade though. Overall it's not even needed, DVD's still look great and will definitely last a person a long time if treated properly. That's their argument for the most part. They aren't so much anti-blu or anti-upgrades, but they are willing to skip the blu craze until the next big thing comes along, which we'd all be extremely foolish to believe that the next big thing will not come within the next 15, 10, or even 5 years. That upgrade could be a big enough jump for the DVD owners to upgrade, and if it's not blu's will be cheap enough for them to upgrade without much cost. Overall I say it doesn't matter what others prefer, all that matters is what you want to buy. So let they complain, hate, love, praise, or sign petitions all they want. Buy what you want and let it be.

Yeah, He said "my" instead of "the". My bad

And, just to be clear, is the rest of your post aimed at me? cuz I may sound like a fanboy sometimes, but im okay with dvd too. And I've been HD long enough to have heard everything else you said before.

Anyways, back on topic. I, for one, and extremely disappointed that we have to wait until December for these releases now. I know that they will more than likely have better sales at that time, but I feel like I've been waiting for this release for years... oh wait, i have been waiting for this release for years. I just sucks to have to wait practically another year! It's also very frustrating for me that there will not be a release that is a DE or at least on par with one until BatB this fall.

Let it all out, man. We all love you, and you can trust us. It's healthy, and there's nothing to be ashamed of. just let it all out.*pats singerguy on the shoulder*

The Princess and the Frog should be receiving a better release to make up for it in my opinion, but instead I feel like I've been screwed into settling for BS "special editions" until 3 DE's come this holiday season that they might as well release tomorrow because I have so little expectancy in Disney's home releases that I feel like whatever they have done right now for all three of those films is probably as good as what we would get 8-10 months from now.

Honestly, just the cine-explore commentary alone means that Disney is putting a little more effort than usual into PATF. Most Disney DVDs dont even see the online featurettes.

in closing and to paraphrase everything I said above, I think the release schedule for 2010 is stupid.

Just let it all out.

[singerguy04]

lol thanks for the support ajmrowland!!! yeah, that was a huge vent fest i had up there. also, none of what i said was directly aimed at anyone in particular. It's just a general assessment of the situation i've seen unfold on the boards.

Although I am still upset about the schedule changes, I do have to say that this is all a smart move on Disney's part. It's also going to make for a great 3rd and 4th quarter for the company. I also forget that we are so far still expected to see PatF, Toy Story 1 and 2, The Great Mouse Detective, Alice in Wonderland, and The Black Cauldron. If we are still getting all of those, then there is still a tone to look forward to.

[GeorgeCauldron]

...well, Dumbo is still coming out in March in Japan

http://www.hmv.co.jp/en/product/detail/3731598

so if you're Region A, in the states, just get it from there and not wait another year.

And as for Fantasia, it's out in May in the UK on BluRay, so I'll be getting it from there.

Australia gets nothing special, or at all, half the time so I've literally had to get everything from every other country.

I'll get getting every version from the UK/Japan on Bluray and eventually the US, even if yours is delayed till December for no reason.

[disneyboy20022]

The Great Mouse Detective re-release the way it is treated is just...cruel...Mystery in the Mist edition...I wouldn't mind the stupidly named no point to the plot edition title if it was loaded with Bonus features and not just some stupid kid game....

But i'll get it though but probably through amazon.com because its pretty cheap...$13.99...and its one of my favorite DAC before Lion King or Aladdin came along

Anway I don't think this schedule for Fantasia in December is set in stone yet...it might be....but Disney's been playing the flip-flop switch release in order so much that I wouldn't be surprised if Dumbo magically appeared in Blu ray at Wal-Mart tomorrow..very unlikley but now a days you can't really predict what Disney is doint with their releases....enough of the flip flop game Disney....its ruining my already mentally ill brain even more which I didn't think was Possible with all these Release changes mix-ups flip-flops whatever you want to call them

[yamiiguy]

And as for Fantasia, it's out in May in the UK on BluRay, so I'll be getting it from there.
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Where did you here that?

And I know it's just a placeholder yadda yadda but still, someone has told HMV that Destino is getting a separate release:
http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProductDet ... sku=862705

[DiscoDan]

3) They feel betrayed that they spent thousands of dollars building a DVD collection to be told it's obsolete and that buying a Blu-ray player would make them feel obligated to upgrade their collection (which will lead to guilt over the money spent on the DVD collection).

This reason is definitely the most true. All the anti-Blu Ray people I know have 100000s of DVDs and they don't want their glorious collection to seem obsolete so they hold on to the idea that DVD is still best. I know, it's puzzling, Blu Ray Players STILL play DVDs, even making them look better, and they can just start buying Blu Rays from now on! Still, they don't understand...

[yamiiguy]

Those types of consumers obviously don't understand the physical medium I can tell you now that Blu-Ray won't be around in 2030 and whatever is around then won't be around in 2050 etc