Ex-NFL player killed in Afghanistan.

DDMAN26 · Post by **DDMAN26** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 10:15 am

Ex-NFL player Pat Tillman who gave up 3.6 million with Arizona Cardinals to join the Army Rangers after September 11 was killed today.

Here are details of this very sad story.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1788232

MickeyMousePal · Post by **MickeyMousePal** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:21 pm

As a fan of NFL I feel very sad.

I wonder how his family feels about this sad event that happen to them.
He was going to have a perfect NFL season along with a contract.
This sucks I wonder why he was drafted in the first place.
Did he wanted to be drafted?

MickeyMousePal · Post by **MickeyMousePal** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:22 pm

Luke can you delete my double post.
oops!

DDMAN26 · Post by **DDMAN26** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:57 pm

He was never drafted into the Army. He quit football and joined on his own.

Ludwig Von Drake · Post by **Ludwig Von Drake** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:34 pm

It is sad that someone with such good intentions passed away.

Disney Guru · Post by **Disney Guru** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:47 pm

That is to bad

Mushu2083 · Post by **Mushu2083** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 3:26 pm

That stinks. I go to Arizona State University (Pat Tillman's alma mater) and all the flags were at half staff today. I commend Pat Tillman for putting his country ahead of fame and fortune. BTW, not to be rude or anything, the draft hasn't been around for like ten years.

Mr. Toad · Post by **Mr. Toad** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:23 pm

I really dont understand why his life was anymore valuable than any other service person or Iraqi or Afganistani civilian.

Thousands of lives have been ended but somehow this one seems to be way more important than the others.

I guess if we celebrated everyone as sensationally as this everyone would figure out the real cost in terms of humanity.

Disney Guru · Post by **Disney Guru** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:35 pm

BI UM PUM PUM

Boy that makes me so sad!

Mr. Toad · Post by **Mr. Toad** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:42 pm

If it makes you so sad, why do you have a happy face in your message?

Makes me sad, all this unnecessary waste of life. People who could leave productive lives dying, schoolbuses full of children being blown up. What we all do to each other is terrible.

karlsen · Post by **karlsen** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:34 pm

IF this leads to a free Iraq, with respect for human rights, then their lives would not be unnecessary taken.

Saddam has killed of many more people then what have died in the war untill today. Saddam would most probably have killed more people in the feauture if he was not stoped.

I am not taking sides at all in this war, just because I don't know the answeres to all the questions. But then I don't think nobody knows them either.

But when it comes to a human life, there is nothing more tragic then when people die premature. I can't see the diffrence between a NFL player or a dentist or farmer. All those soldiers that has died are a terrible loss and just shows us that the world might not always be a good place to live.

The reason why a NFL player gets more attention is because more people knew his face. It is always harder when someone that you know the face of and somewhat knew, dies. Then you realy see the human besides the number.

Mr. Toad · Post by **Mr. Toad** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:42 pm

Well put Karlsen.

buffalobill · Post by **buffalobill** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 7:10 pm

Disney Guru wrote: BI UM PUM PUM

Boy that makes me so sad!

Unbelievable.

While I agree that all human life is equal, it is nice to see that someone who had so much saw fit to give it all up to serve our country. This man (who's father was at Pearl Harbor when attacked) didn't do it for any kudos as he never gave an interview blowing his own horn but just walked away from a $3.6 million contract for an $18,000 a year job along with his brother who is a highly touted minor league baseball prospect. This is an unselfish athlete who deserves every good word said about him. Personally I'm against the war in Iraq but for Afghanistan since that war is fighting terrorism while the other was started unilaterally over phantom WMDs. He served a tour in both places & paid the ultimate price. I agree with one of the pundits on ESPN today that the NFL should open the doors of Canton & put him in the NFL Hall Of Fame. In his short time in the league he set a team record for tackles, made the Pro Bowl & then gave it all up to risk & lose his life for me and you.

Loomis · Post by **Loomis** » Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:49 pm

karlsen wrote:IF this leads to a free Iraq, with respect for human rights, then their lives would not be unnecessary taken.

Saddam has killed of many more people then what have died in the war untill today. Saddam would most probably have killed more people in the feauture if he was not stoped.

Is it truly freedom if it isn't being thrust upon you from an outside force? "Here, this is democracy - TAKE IT DAMMIT!!!!".

Maybe something did need to be done about Sadaam, but I find that argument is just weighing up the costs of lives. 'A few lives they take here means less lives loss along the track'. I guess I'm asking - have the ends justified the means?

I guess that relates back to the question of why does this guy get more attention? It is because his death supposedly means "more" to the American people as it is an "example". Propaganda is what it is.

karlsen · Post by **karlsen** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 7:24 am

I am not justifying the war with that quote Loomis, only saying that in the long term it may turn out better then it was.

But this war was started on false terms, and sadly Bush descided to go to war even though he had no rights to do it. He needed some profs, and he got somebody to tell some "half thruts" so he would have the people on his side.

I bet Bush has been after Saddam all since he entered office, but 911 gave him the opportunity that he needed.

Son of the Morning · Post by **Son of the Morning** » Sat Apr 24, 2004 11:33 am

The same justification was used in Vietnam. The war there was meant to bring enduring democracy to Southeast Asia, against the predominant will.

We're now saying that we can "free Iraq" and bring enduring democracy to the Middle East, again, against what should be our better judgment.

Loomis · Post by **Loomis** » Sun Apr 25, 2004 6:30 am

karlsen wrote:I am not justifying the war with that quote Loomis, only saying that in the long term it may turn out better then it was.

But this war was started on false terms, and sadly Bush descided to go to war even though he had no rights to do it. He needed some profs, and he got somebody to tell some "half thruts" so he would have the people on his side.

I bet Bush has been after Saddam all since he entered office, but 911 gave him the opportunity that he needed.

Oh, I wasn't having a go at you, karlsen - just the whole "ends justifies the means" argument.

The reasons for entering Iraq were tenuous at best. 2099net just sent me this article about how many Americans still believe there was a terrorist connection in the US:
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/ame ... ory=514681

I guess I was just questioning how real is freedom if it is thrust upon you, rather than the result of internal struggle.

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