The Princess and the Frog Discussion - Part III

[DisneyJedi]

Whatever. The box office doesn't guarantee the movie's good.

You know something? You're right! As long as people love the movie for what it is, then money shouldn't matter!

[zackiellovedisney]

I really like this movie and it is somewhere in the top 10 of my favorite DAC
This movie is great and isn't getting as much recognition as it should. It really is a great movie and I think it is safe to say that is would fit in perfectly with the films of the 90s. It is probably getting the best movie reviews for Disney for quite some time now. It is a great movie and Disney should respect that.

Now what i don't understand is why Disney is disappointed of the box office gross. I just checked and only 448 movies have crossed the 100 million mark. Princess and the Frog is one of those movies. Now that is counting around the world not just movies made in the United States. That is only of all time. There have been I think more than 2 million movies ever made. So Princess and the Frog is in very very good shape so Disney can't complain.

[disneyboy20022]

Sorry if this has been posted already but I just saw this commercial on TV...its the second promo i've seen with Geico and TPATF

Here's the first one I saw...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu_RNre3H7A


Now here's the new one I just saw on TV a couple of days ago..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OZokGXrt9o

[rj.disney]

this movie is gonna open here in the Philippines tomorrow Feb. 3. Me and my friends are going to see it tomorrow even if we have exams the following day

and I would be seeing it with my family during the weekend

no matter how very small my efforts are, I am going to help this movie perform well.

[Atlantica]

Every little helps rj.disney !

Those little adverts were really cute disneyboy20022

Has anyone seen the Disney Store promotions in the UK recently? They feature new animation of Tianna and Naveen, much like they are shown at the end of the Princess and the Frog trailers or featurettes. Well, catch them if you can in the store, worth having a look at

I cant wait to see the movie this Friday when it comes out ! My total at the moment is seeing it 3 times, with 3 different sets of people What does worry me though that in my town, there are no bus shelter posters, when usually thats the one peice of promotion even small movies get. There are loads on the buses themselves though, with the tagline "This is not your average girl meets frog story" ... with the UK picture of Tianna holding the frog. [/b]

[TinTinV]

OSCAR NOMINATIONS!

THE PRINCESS & THE FROG:
- Best Animated Feature
- Best Song "Almost There"
- Best Song "Down in New Orleans"

I'm very excited to see Disney's perform on the Oscar Stage again, they're always so elaborate.

[Mooky]

Big news: The Princess and the Frog is now the first hand-drawn animated film since Lilo & Stitch to make over $100 million domestically.

Uh... "The Simpsons Movie"?

I went to see PatF for the third time this past weekend. And since hand-drawn animation at Disney needs as much help as possible to survive, I figured I should get more people to see it and brought my cousins along for the company. So we're sitting there, the preview for "Alvin and the Chipmunks 2" shows up, and one of the people behind us goes "Oh, I've heard that movie is miles better than the one we're about to see. It certainly looks better". Bless her poor ignorant heart! Anyway, on the way out, one of my cousins turned to me and said "Wow, how much have times changed at Disney". I almost groaned expecting it to be another complaint about flatulence jokes, but she continued, "It's a really dark movie. Villain's demise and the shadow-thingies freaked me out. I love it!" And this came from a person in her early twenties. I don't know, but it really made me full with glee because I had the exact same reaction to those scenes. I've never been startled by darker elements of Disney movies (Frollo who?) until PatF. And it feels great to see this movie hit so many right notes with so many people. It seriously gets better with each subsequent viewing. I might go see it once more before it stops playing in theaters.

[DisneyJedi]

Big news: The Princess and the Frog is now the first hand-drawn animated film since Lilo & Stitch to make over $100 million domestically.

Uh... "The Simpsons Movie"?

First hand-drawn DISNEY movie!

[Goliath]

I'm going to see it this thursday! I'm so excited!

[Mooky]

Uh... "The Simpsons Movie"?

First hand-drawn DISNEY movie!

That it is .

Btw, did anyone notice Musker and Clements make two cameo appearances - first as voodoo masks in Dr. Facilier's parlour and then, towards the ending, you can see them wearing fish costumes on the King Triton float.

[BelleGirl]

I'm going to see it this thursday! I'm so excited!

No more reservations about the movie Goliath?
I''ve just made an appointment with a friend to see it together the same day!

[Flanger-Hanger]

In the U.S. and Canada it is wrapping up its run with a relatively disappointing $100 million.

That's nonsense! That's the most money a hand-drawn movie from Disney's made domestically in years!

Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs: $124 million
Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs: $192 million (with $884 million worldwide!)
Up: $293 million
Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel: $209 million (so far)
Monsters Vs. Aliens: $198 million

Disney still can't touch the competition, and Zackie, your "point" is useless as it does not adjust for inflation.

Everyone who thinks this film did great will have to say Atlantis did too, because with inflation they preformed about the same. If you think $100 million is impressive for a Disney animated blockbuster that is.

[blackcauldron85]

We all know that the DVD & Blu-ray sales will be great. I really wish that studios would care more about the DVD & Blu-ray sales when calculating how well a movie does. These days, with the price of going to the movies being as expensive as it is for families, many just opt to rent or buy the home video release. I've said it so many times, I really feel strongly about the subject, and the movie isn't a failure.

[BelleGirl]

That's nonsense! That's the most money a hand-drawn movie from Disney's made domestically in years!

Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs: $124 million
Ice Age: Dawn of the Dinosaurs: $192 million (with $884 million worldwide!)
Up: $293 million
Alvin and the Chipmunks: The Squeakquel: $209 million (so far)
Monsters Vs. Aliens: $198 million

Disney still can't touch the competition, and Zackie, your "point" is useless as it does not adjust for inflation.

Everyone who thinks this film did great will have to say Atlantis did too, because with inflation they preformed about the same. If you think $100 million is impressive for a Disney animated blockbuster that is.

Hey, TpatF is just premiering in several countries! I'm sure the movie will cross the $200 million line! Domestically, THoND grossed $100 million, and the directors weren't dissatisfied with that.
Is all that matters that a Disney movie makes more profit than it's competitors?

Anyway, the movies you mentioned above are not hand-drawn. I think you missed that little detail.

[Flanger-Hanger]

Hey, TpatF is just premiering in several countries! I'm sure the movie will cross the $200 million line!

My totals are all domestic.

Domestically, THoND grossed $100 million, and the directors weren't dissatisfied with that.

That was 13-14 years ago. Inflation?

Is all that matters that a Disney movie makes more profit than it's competitors?

One would hope they could be in the top 5 at least. Especially with their "comeback" film. It's not that it didn't make more than it's competition, it's that in several cases it didn't even come close to matching them.

Anyway, the movies you mentioned above are not hand-drawn. I think you missed that little detail.

Oh, pardon me. I guess we should ignore everything then. It's not like how this film preforms against other animated mediums is any kind of gauge that there is a justification for "reviving" this division of the company. Thankfully, Disney wasn't dumb enough to put that much pressure on this film.

Those films' didn't have a multi-billion dollar franchise support, a portion of the significance and in some cases the critical support this film had.

[BelleGirl]

Anyway, the movies you mentioned above are not hand-drawn. I think you missed that little detail.

Oh, pardon me. I guess we should ignore everything then. It's not like how this film preforms against other animated mediums is any kind of gauge that there is a justification for "reviving" this division of the company. Thankfully, Disney wasn't dumb enough to put that much pressure on this film.

Those films' didn't have a multi-billion dollar franchise support, a portion of the significance and in some cases the critical support this film had.

Perhaps you are not aware that Disney-Jedi referred specifically to 'hand-drawn' when he/she wrote about the profit. Well, whatever. But o.k., let's be grumpy and pessimistic and once again declare classic animation dead.
In the past there have been Disney movies that failed at the box-office but became cherished classics in the long run with many re-releases. But let's forget about that to and concentrate on how much more money The Chipmunks has made now. Or that CGI is no surefire guarantee for box office success either.

[Flanger-Hanger]

Perhaps you are not aware that Disney-Jedi referred specifically to 'hand-drawn' when he/she wrote about the profit. Well, whatever. But o.k., let's be grumpy and pessimistic and once again declare classic animation dead.

Yes, because it's quite a very "grumpy" thing to remove one's tunnel vision, look at your competition and ask hard questions about why your film did not meet your expectations. I'll also assume while I'm doing that, my studio is not actually producing those other hand drawn animated works and that there is no possible way I can learn from this release to help them do better. No I'll just sit around begin grumpy and post blanket statements online.

In the past there have been Disney movies that failed at the box-office but became cherished classics in the long run with many re-releases. But let's forget about that to and concentrate on how much more money The Chipmunks has made now.

I'm sure Disney makes movies so they can make money now, just like any other studio in the film business. When you can define and tell me the exact time and formula for a film becoming "a cherished classic in the long run", I'll listen to you.

[Goliath]

@ Flanger-Hanger: I have a problem with your attitude. If you don't like the film, that's fine. I'm absolutely okay with that. But the tone of your posts in this thread *always* suggest you WANT this film to fail. You WANT it to perform poorly. In fact, whenever you post about its dissappointing box-office performance, I can't help but notice the sheer GLEE with which you bring the news. It's one thing not to like the film. It's another to ROOT for its downfall.

No more reservations about the movie Goliath?
I''ve just made an appointment with a friend to see it together the same day!

I still have some reservations, but I've seen some new trailers which impressed me very much. And before I judge the film, I want to see it. This will be the first Disney film I see on the big screen since Tarzan!

Actually, I'll go see it saturday instead of thursday. And of course I'll let you all know what I think about it.

By the way, I've had contact with Ferdi Felderhof, who works on the Dutch 'Donald Duck' magazine. I asked him why the magazine never pays any attention to new Disney films anymore, like they used to do in the 1990's. Ferdi said he knew very little about this himself, but it had something to do with "business agreements" with the Disney Company. Which I found very strange, asking him why he would need permission from Disney to write about a new Disney film. So far, I haven't received an answer yet. I'll have to ask Bas Schuddeboom or Jim van der Weele about this.

These editors participate in Holland's only online forum about Disney. You're welcome to join in:
http://bb.mcdrake.nl/neddisney/

[Flanger-Hanger]

@ Flanger-Hanger: I have a problem with your attitude. If you don't like the film, that's fine. I'm absolutely okay with that. But the tone of your posts in this thread *always* suggest you WANT this film to fail. You WANT it to perform poorly. In fact, whenever you post about its dissappointing box-office performance, I can't help but notice the sheer GLEE with which you bring the news. It's one thing not to like the film. It's another to ROOT for its downfall.

The GLEE, is what you infer based on my posts. You assume that by doing so I want the film to fail, but in reality it's to show the narrow minded fans here that the movie business is just slightly more complex than what they think it is. I have yet to see a decent counter argument as to why this film shouldn't be disappointing to some.

But perhaps I am rooting for it's downfall, because it shows that there is a flaw in exclusively marketing a film as a tie in for a brand which rarely if ever accurately depicts the films they supposedly represent. Or that nostalgia and an attempt to cash in on it's hype instead of selling the film on it's own merits is not the best idea. If the film "fails", it's Disney's own fault.

Finally I enjoyed the movie, went to see it on the first day of release, have the music and got my picture taken with the characters in the parks (who were perfect reincarnations of their on screen counterparts). I voted for Charlotte on this poll.

[Disney's Divinity]

@ Flanger-Hanger: I have a problem with your attitude. If you don't like the film, that's fine. I'm absolutely okay with that. But the tone of your posts in this thread *always* suggest you WANT this film to fail. You WANT it to perform poorly. In fact, whenever you post about its dissappointing box-office performance, I can't help but notice the sheer GLEE with which you bring the news. It's one thing not to like the film. It's another to ROOT for its downfall.

He's been that way ever since a few posters started talking about what "new age" TP&TF would start.

Anyway, I think TP&TF's gross is somewhat disappointing. But, trying to look on the bright side, I can't help but think about Mermaid's small gross which built up to Lion King (and carried on til Mulan, I think). It's possible Disney still has to build up its animated reputation after stuff like Brother Bear and Home On The Range--which aren't bad per se, but not great or memorable either.

But I do agree that the marketing for TP&TF could have been much better. Most of what they did was refer to past magna-hits ("the fab four") to tell people, "PLEASE! Give us another chance at your money! We used to make films you loved!" The focus on Ray--who wasn't done justice in the trailers at all--didn't help either.