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Disney's Divinity wrote:I agree on the pacing in Wolf's Rain, Kossage. I never found anything wrong with that series. As for the death thing, that's kind of necessary for that series' storyline. Everyone didn't just die because it's an anime-ish thing to do; it suited the mood of the series for it to happen and it was far from pointless (And, from what I remember, the story itself is circular; it just happens over and over again).

Of course, there might be some series where death is overused, though none's coming to mind right away.
I think death is overused in most action animes. Naruto for example, had characters dying a lot, and even implied that some characters had "died" even though they were just hurt.

In Dragon Ball Z the concept of death became a joke. It didn't matter if everyone died, as long as Goku was alive they could all be brought back by using the dragon balls.
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That's another thing I got kind of annoyed at about anime. The concept of death is so overused that it loses impact. It seems that every anime must have ONE major character die during the course of the series. Even the simplest children's anime have one character dying. It's a bad cliche. I understand that death is common in the storytelling medium and at times can be important, but in anime its overused.
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pap64 wrote: In Dragon Ball Z the concept of death became a joke. It didn't matter if everyone died, as long as Goku was alive they could all be brought back by using the dragon balls.
And if Goku died, everyone else could just bring him back with them. Really, it got to the point where I'd check back every five episodes (since chances are good that nothing important happened in the other four), and saw that everyone was dead. Five episodes later, they're all acting like nothing happened. And really, even while they're dead, they just act like nothing happened while prancing around with those silly halos on their head. DBZ really was just a lot of screaming, dying, and being ressurected, and fighting things for about twenty episodes straight. I had to stop watching it eventually, the whole show became a joke.
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I admit that at one point I watched DBZ a lot, mainly because I wanted to see the goddamned ending. The sad part was that most of the episodes were composed of just Goku and Nappa/Vegeta/Frieza/Cell/Majin Buu staring at each other for 30 minutes. Then one episode would have the actual fight... Then it would stop for more staring.

Another cliche I don't like about anime is that some series start really, really silly, very comedic, fun, lots of fan service and madness. Then halfway through the series it turns very serious, very dark and very dramatic. Its like the creators didn't know what kind of series to make, if a quirky one or a dramatic one, so they switch gears between episodes and it can get disconnecting.
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Margos wrote:I'll tell you, though, the more I think back on it, I think I might have liked Blood+ slightly more, in some ways. Eureka 7 was more beautiful in some ways, but I think that Blood+ was easier to follow and still a very lovely plot (despite some very.... gruesome and disturbing bits). Did you follow that one, by any chance?
Sadly I haven't seen it yet although I've heard that it's quite alright. Thanks for reminding me; I'll keep it in mind.
pap64 wrote:Kossage: That's one of the main reasons I thought Wolf's Rain had severe pace issues. In the middle of the story we are treated to FOUR recap episodes. My friend believes that this was done because the story was so rich and deep that it needed to be retold. But the truth is that the creators had some issues during the production of the series so while they worked it out they aired four recap issues. Hence why later on we got the OVA episodes that finish the story.
Yeah, the recap eps are somewhat jarring but at least they did give us more insight into the characters' motivations. The series can easily be watched without ever seeing these four eps, though. And yeah, it was sad that they had to make such eps but under the circumstances it was understandable. At least we got the OVA which ended the series in a touching way.
I heard, however, that all of the characters die at the end of the OVA, making the journey they take on very pointless. Is this true?
Disney's Divinity pretty much answered this for me; I'll comment on it in another part of this post. However, I urge you to watch those OVA eps if possible because they do bring a satisfying closure to the whole story and make you see many things, including the opening titles and the beginning of the series, in a whole new light.
That's another thing I got kind of annoyed at about anime. The concept of death is so overused that it loses impact. It seems that every anime must have ONE major character die during the course of the series. Even the simplest children's anime have one character dying. It's a bad cliche. I understand that death is common in the storytelling medium and at times can be important, but in anime its overused.
Overused? Many anime series I've seen never kill any of its cast (well, at least main characters) and if some of them do die, they're usually resurrected later which cheapens the death (unless it makes sense in context). I think that if the narrative requires death, then death should be presented to add higher stakes. I've seen invincible heroes too often so it's very refreshing to see that even they can't always cheat death, and it adds an emotional core to a story. However, I agree that "only one character dies" thing is used too often; I wouldn't mind seeing more deaths assuming it works in the story. It's also true that not every story needs death but if it has a reason in context, then I'm not complaining.
Disney's Divinity wrote:I agree on the pacing in Wolf's Rain, Kossage. I never found anything wrong with that series. As for the death thing, that's kind of necessary for that series' storyline. Everyone didn't just die because it's an anime-ish thing to do; it suited the mood of the series for it to happen and it was far from pointless (And, from what I remember, the story itself is circular; it just happens over and over again).
Yeah, definitely. Death is a very important part of the entire narrative of Wolf's Rain. The potential (or actual) death of loved ones is what acts as a catalyst for many characters including Quent, Darcia III, Tsume and Toboe, and this eventually leads to the climactic showdown with Darcia in the end. Besides, the story takes place in a dying world that is about to be revived if all goes well, although sadly Darcia's influence corrupted the "Paradise", which in turn made the cycle begin anew in a flawed world as can be seen in the final episode. Everything makes sense in the end as everything does come full circle, and that depth is one of the reasons why I like Wolf's Rain so much. :)
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pap64 wrote:I admit that at one point I watched DBZ a lot, mainly because I wanted to see the goddamned ending. The sad part was that most of the episodes were composed of just Goku and Nappa/Vegeta/Frieza/Cell/Majin Buu staring at each other for 30 minutes. Then one episode would have the actual fight... Then it would stop for more staring.
Yeah, that's the filler stuff I talked about. I actually liked DBZ, but most of the episodes did so much of nothing that I couldn't stand it. I've actually read that they're making an edited version of the series in Japan, where all that wasted time is cut out. Just looked it up, it's called Dragon Ball Kai, which uses the original cast and is supposed to more closely follow the manga. There's 100 episodes instead of 291.

As for the other thing you talked about, that is kind of a cliche in a lot of anime. I think they do that so the serious moments feel more serious when compared to the lightheartedness the rest of the time, so you care for the characters first and worry about them later.
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Disney's Divinity wrote:Yeah, that's the filler stuff I talked about. I actually liked DBZ, but most of the episodes did so much of nothing that I couldn't stand it. I've actually read that they're making an edited version of the series in Japan, where all that wasted time is cut out. Just looked it up, it's called Dragon Ball Kai, which uses the original cast and is supposed to more closely follow the manga. There's 100 episodes instead of 291.
Almost all the original cast.

original VA for
Tenshinhan
Master Roshi
Dende
Mr. Satan
Mr. Popo
Farmer with Shotgun
Kui
Muri and Son Gohan
Jeice

Have all died.

This characters have their voice actor replaced for unknown reason.
Nappa
Appul
Recoom
Jheese
Buttah
Gurd
Ginyu
Nail


Also the background music and theme music is replaced by new artist/composer.

Another thing that is kinda pointless is toning down the violence. There really no need to it as everyone have seen the old DBZ so sense doing so now.
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