60's & 70's Aspect Ratios (from Sword in the Stone)

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Very interesting to compare. Thanks for your research, disneyfella!
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disneyfella wrote:I've got all those pressbooks of mine in the mail in this past month and will be updating the list here throughout the week. I did want to state, though, that almost all of them (including the premiere release of Robin Hood) were framed for a 1.75:1 exhibition.

I'll post exact quotes and availability on an updated list later.
Thanks Disneyfella! Great news on the Robin Hood ratio, I only wish that Jungle Book pressbook I got had the projection instructions in it.

On a side note, I've been looking to acquire the Sword In The Stone pressbook, and in searching the web, which I don't get as much time/access as I would like, I came across this...

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/forum/t ... ry-edition

If you scroll down, someone on that forum has the Sword pressbook, and has scanned it and it says...

THE ASPECT RATIO FOR "SWORD IN THE STONE" TO ACHIEVE MAXIMUM SCREEN QUALITY IS 1.75 TO 1.

With this news, I have to believe that TJB was in the 1.75:1 ratio as well.

I still think eventually I'll get the SITS pressbook, but wanted to pass this along...
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That pressbook posted in the HTF is actually for the 1972 re-release (note the comment about "The World's Greatest Athlete").

I'm still leaning towards believing that this film was 1.75:1, but I don't want to post it as the premiere OAR until we can confirm this.

Thanks for being diligent and looking for these things, too, AlwaysOAR. It seems strange that no one anywhere on the internet has a definitive listing for the aspect ratios for Disney films....and it seems even more strange that Disney holds no weight in the original framing of their films.

We'll get to the bottom of things.....

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disneyfella wrote:That pressbook posted in the HTF is actually for the 1972 re-release (note the comment about "The World's Greatest Athlete").
Damn!, I didn't catch that. I'll have to get the SITS original pressbook after all.
disneyfella wrote: I'm still leaning towards believing that this film was 1.75:1, but I don't want to post it as the premiere OAR until we can confirm this.
You can still include it though, I guess, like you have with the others, as the 1972 Re-release Information...
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So, I've gone ahead and ordered the following...

1963's The Sword In The Stone original pressbook

and

1964's Mary Poppins original pressbook

Being that I work overseas, and assuming the source I ordered from can ship to where I'm at, it might be a couple of weeks before I receive them.

Anyway, I'm hoping to have better luck with SITS than I had with Jungle Book on the aspect ratio info...


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So the Sword In The Stone and Mary Poppins pressbooks shipped yesterday, so I should get them within 2 weeks.

I was thinking about SITS, and it's last DVD release. With the info from the 101 Dalmations pressbook stating to show it in a 1:33 to 1 ratio, therefore showing Disney actually released it correctly on its last release, it's possible that Sword could have also been released to theatres in a 1:33:1 ratio as well, being only 2 years after Dalmations.

Since The Jungle Book (though not having the info for it's ratio in the pressbook received), The Aristocats and Robin Hood all were released, in the now being proved common for that era, 1.75:1 on their latest DVD releases, why wasn't SITS?


Disney has released 10 live-action and 3 DACs in the 1.75:1. These which have had pressbooks showing the ratio instructions so far have proven this ratio to be correct, and the one that didn't have ratio instructions, TJB pressbook being the one so far of these not having the info, I don't think Disney would have released it in 1.75:1 on it's last DVD release if it had not been shown in theatres in that ratio.

Sure, Disney will screw it up the other way in releasing a title p&s or open matte instead of the theatrical ratio, but I don't think they have the other way around insofar as releasing a title 1.75:1 and it not being correct.

Of course, they have released titles overmatted or undermatted, i.e. 1.85 or 1.66 instead of the 1.75 when it's been proven that it was to be shown that way, and recently, and I fear it might become more the norm, the 1.78 TV ratio so people can have their screens filled. I mean, so far there's been 3 titles from the 70's they've released so far in this false ratio instead of the theatrical ratio, not to mention the Little Mermaid, Toy Story 1 & 2 and Finding Nemo.

Getting back to SITS, I wouldn't be surprised to see instructions in the pressbook for it to be 1.33:1, considering it's last release, which would mean TJB would be the first DAC to be matted. Of course, this is only a theory right now, and hopefully we'll know soon enough. I am kind of hoping this is the case, as SITS would be one less title for me to hold out on for a correct theatrical ratio release. But it also would be odd, along with 101 Dalmations, that it would not have gotten released, being 1963, as a widescreen movie. But soon now, soon...

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I'm not so sure about the "Sword in the Stone" ratio. Don't forget that "The Fox and the Hound" was also a 1.75:1 ratio film that has had 2 DVD releases (the second of which had a remastered video transfer) and is still only available in the 1.33:1 ratio rather than the correct ratio.

I'm anxious to read what you find on this one.
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I came across this for Bedknobs & Broomsticks in my searching the net...

http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/archive/viewer ... tId=212468

If you go to image 2 of 20 of the pressbook, and enlarge the photo, it reads

TO CREATE THE UTMOST MAGICAL EFFECT, "BEDKNOBS AND BROOMSTICKS" MUST BE SHOWN AT AN ASPECT RATIO OF 1.75 TO 1

Just wanted to pass this along for those interested...


And... it is the original from 1971... :)



Of course, that means another Disney release misframed from the original aspect ratio. Both DVD releases are undermatted at 1.66:1 :(


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Nice find! I've updated the list with the new info. I'll bump the list down after a few more titles are confirmed.

Thanks for the find!
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I was going to post this yesterday, but started having connectivity issues where I'm at in that I couldn't see the images on the web page below...

http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/archive/viewer ... tId=215995

If you go to image/page 3 of 28 of the pressbook you'll see the following...




MR. EXHIBITOR - AN IMPORTANT NOTE!

Give your patrons the best possible picture on your theatre screen. For top projection results in the presentation of "THE ABSENT-MINDED PROFESSOR" you must use

ASPECT RATIO 1:75 to 1.

WARNING: If projected at a ratio less than 1:75 to 1 there will be a black border at top and/or bottom of screen!




So, The Absent-Minded Professor is as well undermatted on it's DVD releases.

Not only can you see instructions for the aspect ratio for this and Bedknobs and Broomsticks on the TCM website, you can view the entire pressbook as well. For those of you who haven't seen pressbooks before, it has alot of great info on the presentation of these classics.

I started with Disney's live-action movies from 1954's Rob Roy, The Highland Rogue up to 1961's The Absent-Minded Professor so far in searching the TCM website. I'm hoping to dig up some more pressbooks there.

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disneyfella wrote:Nice find! I've updated the list with the new info. I'll bump the list down after a few more titles are confirmed.

Thanks for the find!
You're welcome. :) I didn't think about/know this TCM website had this info. So far, I've found the Bedknobs and Professor pressbooks, and want to print these up for my new hobby of pressbook collecting, which thanks to you I didn't even know about till you started posting all of your finds. So, thank you! :D

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I found another pressbook on the TCM website. It's 1969's "The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes". There's no aspect ratio instructions that I could see, but wanted to post it for those interested. Here's the link...

http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/archive/viewer ... tId=213556

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I found some more...1974's "Herbie Rides Again"

http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/archive/viewer ... tId=215828

If you go to page 2 of 20 of the pressbook it says...

The Aspect Ratio for "HERBIE RIDES AGAIN" to achieve the best screen image is 1:75 to 1

With this one, it has been released in the correct ratio on it's DVD release.

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And 1976's "Freaky Friday"

http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/archive/viewer ... tId=210721

If you go to page 3 of 20 of the pressbook it says...

To make "Freaky Friday" a winner on your screen THE ASPECT RATIO IS 1:75 to 1


The DVD release is overmatted to 1:85 to 1 on it's release unfortunately.

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I love the new TCm website find!!

Here is the info for "The Shaggy Dog' from the 1959 pressbook (check out page 12 of 26):

http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/archive/viewer ... tId=205948
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I've updated the previous catalog of aspect ratios with "Freaky Friday" premiere release information and thought I'd repost the list of VERIFIED aspect ratios. I just looked over the list again, and it seems like, of all the information I've been able to gather, only a handful have been released in the proper aspect ratio...who is running the catalog over there at Disney? :roll: Whoever it is, they need to be fired and replaced with someone cheaper who can do a better job. I'll gladly and humbly propose myself ::ninja::








:clap: "Johnny Tremain" 1957 Premiere Release Information

"Mr. Exhibitor - This Is Important! Best projection results are obtained by using the following aspect ratios in the presentation of Walt Disney's "Johnny Tremain":

From: 1:33 to 1 To: 1:75 to 1

Warning! Please do not go beyond 1:75 to 1 aspect ratio or you will lose top and bottom of picture."

(NOTE: The DVD release of Johnny Tremain is 1.33:1. As long as this is an open matte print available on the DVD, it would be consistent with one option of theatrical framing. Other available options would include 1.66:1 and 1.75:1.)




"Peter Pan" 1958 Re-release Information

"Mr. Exhibitor Please Note

For Best Projection Results in the Presentation of "Peter Pan" Use Aspect Ratio 1:75 to 1"

(NOTE: The premiere of "Peter Pan" was in 1953, just prior to the release of the film "Shane" which introduced the practice of matting films to a widescreen aspect ratio. Therefore it is impossible for the premiere of "Peter Pan" to have been matted. One would include this presentation in the critically frowned upon re-release of animated films with improper framing, however Walt himself was still alive and therefore one has to pause and wonder if he would prefer a widescreen version of the film. Either way, the original theatrical aspect ratio is 1.33:1 and is available on the Platinum Edition DVD.)




:clap: "Sleeping Beauty" 1959 Premiere Release Information

"IMPORTANT! The 35mm Print of "Sleeping Beauty" Must Be Projected at an Aspect Ratio of 2.35 to 1"

(NOTE: While the Platinum Edition DVD/Blu Ray release of "Sleeping Beauty" was open matte at 2.55:1, the Special Edition DVD release of the film is in the proper aspect ratio of 2.35:1)




:clap: "The Shaggy Dog" 1959 Premiere Release Information

"MR. EXHIBITOR...PLEASE NOTE!
For Best Projection Results in the Presentation of "The Shaggy Dog" Use Aspect Ratio 1:75 to 1"

(NOTE: The 'Wild and Woolly" DVD edition of "The Shaggy Dog" is the only format to correctly present it in the theatrical aspect ratio of 1.75:1)




"Darby O'Gill and the Little People" 1959 Premiere Release Information

"A Reminder...

For Best Projection Results in the Presentation of Walt Disney's "Darby O'Gill and the Little People" Use Aspect Ratio 1:75 to 1"

(NOTE: While the theatrical framing was instructed to be matted to 1.75:1, the DVD only presents the film in an open matte 1.33:1)




:clap: "Swiss Family Robinson" 1960 Premiere Release Information

(NOTE: On its initial release, "Swiss Family Robinson" was available in two different formats for theatres. The first was a Cinemascope format which required the projectionist to use a special lense for the projection of the picture. The other option was a standard version which did not use a special lense, but would be matted in theatres.)

"Mr. Exhibitor...Please Note!

Give your patrons the best possible picture on your theatre screen. For top projection results in the presentation of Walt Disney's "Swiss Family Robinson" do not exceed

Aspect Ratio 2:35 to 1

or you will lose top and bottom of the picture"

(NOTE: The Vault Disney DVD release presents the film in its original theatrical aspect ratio of 2.35:1)




:clap: "One Hundred and One Dalmatians" 1961 Premiere Release Information

"Mr. Exhibitor Please Note

Give your patrons the best possible picture on your theatre screen. For top projection results in the presentation of "One Hundred and One Dalmatians" do not exceed

Aspect Ratio 1:33 to 1

or you will lose top and bottom of the picture"

(NOTE: The Platinum Edition DVD release of "One Hundred and One Dalmatians" is 1.33:1. As long as this is an open matte transfer, it would be consistent with the theatrical framing.)




"The Absent-Minded Professor" 1961 Premiere Release Information

"MR. EXHIBITOR - AN IMPORTANT NOTE!
Give your patrons the best possible picture on your theatre screen. For top projection results in the presentation of "THE ABSENT-MINDED PROFESSOR" you must use ASPECT RATIO 1:75 to 1. WARNING: If projected at a ratio less than 1:75 to 1 there will be a black border at top and/or bottom of screen!"

(NOTE: While the original theatrical release of this film was 1.75:1, the DVD release(s) of the film are 1.33:1 and 1.66:1)




"Lady and the Tramp/Almost Angels" 1962 Combo Re-release/Premiere Information

(NOTE: When "Almost Angels" premiered in theatres it was on a double bill with "Lady and the Tramp")

"Mr. Exhibitor Please Note
For the best possible viewing project

"Lady and the Tramp", in CinemaScope, at Aspect Ratio 2:35 to 1
Then, for "Almost Angels", switch to Aspect Ratio 1:75 to 1"

(NOTE: "Lady and the Tramp" is available in the widescreen 2.35:1 aspect ratio on the Platinum Edition DVD. "Almost Angels" is not available on DVD. Tell Disney you want it, and released in the proper framing of 1.75:1. Call Disney at 1-800-72-34763.)




"Follow Me, Boys!" 1966 Premiere Release Information

(NOTE: The theatre kit states that the running time of the film is 131 minutes, while the DVD release is 133 minutes. That makes an extra 2 minutes.)

"Mr. Showman; The Aspect Ratio of "Follow Me, Boys!" is 1:75 to 1. Adhere to this ratio to achieve the best screen image possible, and a quality image for your theatre."

(NOTE: While the theatrical framing for the film is 1.75:1, the DVD release is 1.33:1)




"The One and Only, Genuine, Original Family Band" 1968 Premiere Release Information

(NOTE: The theatre kit states that the running time of the film is 116 minutes 58 seconds, while the DVD release is only 110 minutes. That is a loss of almost 7 minutes.)

"Mr. Exhibitor - An Important Note
Give your patrons the best possible picture on your theatre screen. For top projection results in the presentation of "The One and Only, Genuine, Original Family Band" you must use aspect ratio 1.85:1"

(NOTE: While the theatrical framing is 1.85:1, the DVD release is 1.33:1)




"Son of Flubber" 1970 Re-release Information

(NOTE: This Re-release was attached with the premiere of "Dad, Can I Borrow the Car?" featurette. Also, the theatre kit states that the running time is approximately 100 minutes while the DVD runtime is 103 minutes. That makes an extra 3 minutes.)

"The Aspect Ratio for "Son of Flubber" is 175 to 1"

(NOTE: While the theatrical re-release framing is 1.75:1, the DVD release is 1.33:1)




:clap: "The Aristocats" 1970 Premiere Release Information

"Mr. Exhibitor The Aspect Ratio For "The Aristocats" For Best Screen Quality Is 175 To 1."

(NOTE: Only the 'Special Edition' DVD release of "The Aristocats" presents the film in its original theatrical aspect ratio of 1.75:1)




"Bedknobs and Broomsticks" 1971 Premiere Release Information

"To Creat the Utmost Magical Effect, "Bedknobs and Broomsticks" Must Be Shown at an Aspect Ratio of 1:75 to 1"

(NOTE: While the theatrical framing for this film was 1.75:1, this film has only been released in the 1.33:1 and 1.66:1 ratios)




"$1,000,000 Duck" 1972 Premiere Release Information

"The Aspect Ratio for "$1,000,000 Duck", to achieve maximum theatrical quality, is 1.75 to 1"

(NOTE: While the theatrical framing of the film is 1.75:1, the DVD release is 1.33:1)




"The Biscuit Eater" 1972 Premiere Release Information

"The Aspect Ratio for "Biscuit Eater" is 1.75 to 1."

(NOTE: While the theatrical framing of the film is 1.75:1, the DVD release is 1.33:1)




"Snowball Express" 1972 Premiere Release Information

"The Aspect Ratio For Best Viewing Quality Is 1.75 To 1."

(NOTE: While the original theatrical framing for this film is 1.75:1, the DVD release is 1.33:1)




"Sword in the Stone" 1972 Re-Release Information

"The Aspect Ratio for "Sword in the Stone" to achieve maximum screen quality is 1.75 to1"

(NOTE: While the original theatrical framing for this re-release is 1.75:1, the all home media releases of this film are only 1.33:1)




"The World's Greatest Athlete" 1973 Premiere Release Information

"The aspect ratio to achieve the "World's Greatest Screen Image" is 1.75 to 1."

(NOTE: While the theatrical framing of the film is 1.75:1, the DVD release is 1.85:1)




"Snowball Express/The World's Greatest Athlete" 1973 Combo-Release Information

"MR EXHIBITOR...PLEASE NOTE! For best screen presentation, project these films at the aspect ratios indicated below:

The World's Greatest Athlete aspect ratio 1:75 to 1

Snowball Express aspect ratio 1:75 to 1"

(NOTE: While the pressbook states that both films were to be shown in 1.75:1, "Snowball Express" is on DVD in 1.33:1, and "The World's Greatest Athlete" is on DVD in 1.85:1)




"Charley and the Angel" 1973 Premiere Release Information

"The aspect ratio of "CHARLEY AND THE ANGEL" to achieve the best screen image is 1.75 to1."

(NOTE: This film has NOT been released on DVD. Tell Disney you want it, and released in the proper framing of 1.75:1. Call Disney at 1-800-72-34763.)




"Superdad" 1973 Premiere Release Information

"The aspect ratio of SUPERDAD to achieve the best screen image is 1:75 to 1"

(NOTE: While the theatrical framing is 1.75:1, the DVD release is only 1.33:1)




"Mary Poppins" 1973 Re-release Information

"The Aspect Ratio to create the most Supercalifragilistic screen image is 1.75 to 1"

(NOTE: While the theatrical framing for this re-release is 1.75:1, the DVD release is 1.66:1)




"Song of the South" 1973 Re-release Information

"The Aspect Ratio for "Song of the South" is 1.75 to 1."

(NOTE: The original theatrical framing for "Song of the South" when it premiered in 1946 was 1.33:1. Therefore the 1.75:1 matting of this 1973 re-release is another example of the critically frowned upon theatrical re-releases of Disney animated films in the improper aspect ratio)




:clap: "Robin Hood" 1973 Premiere Release Information

"The Aspect Ratio for "Robin Hood" to achieve that OO-DE-LOLLY GOLLY screen image is 1.75 to 1."

(NOTE: The recently released "Robin Hood: Most Wanted Edition" DVD is the only properly framed release of Robin Hood)




"The Strongest Man in the World" 1974 Premiere Release Information

"The Aspect Ratio for "The Strongest Man int he World" to create the most spectacular screen image is 1.75 to 1."

(NOTE: While the theatrical framing for this release is 1.75:1, the DVD release is 1.33:1)




:clap: "Herbie Rides Again" 1974 Premiere Release Information

"The Aspect Ratio for "HERBIE RIDES AGAIN" to achieve the best screen image is 1:75 to 1"

(NOTE: Only the most recent DVD release of "Herbie Rides Again" presents the film in its original theatrical aspect ratio of 1.75:1)




"the Bears and I/The Shaggy Dog" 1974 Combo Re-lease Information

"The aspect ratio for "the Bears and I" and "Shaggy Dog" to achieve that perfct screen image is 1.75 to 1."

(NOTE: "the Bears and I" is not available on DVD. Tell Disney you want it and in its proper aspect ratio of 1.75:1. Call Disney at 1-800-72-34763.)




"Lt. Robin Crusoe, U.S.N." 1974 Re-release Information

"The Aspect Ratio for "LT. ROBIN CRUSOE, U.S.N." to achieve the best screen image is 1:75 to1"

(NOTE: While the theatrical framing for this re-release is 1.75:1, the DVD release of the film is only 1.33:1)




"The Island at the Top of the World" 1974 Premiere Release Information

"The Aspect Ratio for "The Island At The Top Of The World" to achieve the best screen image is 1.75 to 1"

(NOTE: While the theatrical framing for this film was 1.75:1, the DVD releases of the film are 1.66:1 and 1.85:1)




"Bambi" 1975 Re-release Information

"Mr. Exhibitor the aspect ratio for BAMBI for best screen quality is 1.75 to 1."

(NOTE: The original theatrical framing for "Bambi" when it premiered in 1942 was 1.33:1. Therefore the 1.75:1 matting of this 1975 re-release is another example of the critically frowned upon theatrical re-releases of Disney animated films in the improper aspect ratio




:clap: "Escape to Witch Mountain" 1975 Premiere Release Information

"The Aspect Ratio for "Escape to Witch Mountain" to achieve the best screen image is 1:75 to 1"

(NOTE: The Special Edition DVD release properly displays the film in its correct aspect ratio)




:clap: "The Apple Dumpling Gang" 1975 Premiere Release Information

"Mr. Exhibitor: The Aspect Ratio To Best Exhibit The Hilarious Wild West Action In The Apple Dumpling Gang Is 1-75 To 1."

(NOTE: Only the DVD releases of "The Apple Dumpling Gang" presents the film in its original theatrical aspect ratio of 1.75:1)




"Ride a Wild Pony" 1975 Premiere Release information:

(NOTE: When "Ride a Wild Pony" premiered, it was attached with a re-release of the 1941 full length animated feature, "Dumbo")

"The Aspect Ratio for "Ride A Wild Pony" and "Dumbo" to achieve the best screen image is 1:75 to 1"

(NOTE: While the theatrical ratio for "Ride a Wild Pony" is 1.75:1, the DVD release is 1.33:1. Also, apparently "Dumbo" was presented in 1975 in an aspect ratio of 1.75:1 which hadn't been invented until almost 15 years after "Dumbo" premiered, and therefore this showing is an example of the critically frowned upon re-release of Disney animated films in improper aspect ratios)




"The Shaggy D.A." 1976 Premiere Release Information

"To make "The Shaggy D.A." a winner on your screen The Aspect Ratio Is 1:75 to 1"

(NOTE: While the original theatrical framing for this film is 1.75:1, the DVD release is over-matted to 1.85:1)




"Freaky Friday" 1976 Premiere Release Information

"To make "Freaky Friday" a winner on your screen THE ASPECT RATIO IS 1:75 to 1"

(NOTE: While the original theatrical framing for this film is 1.75:1, the DVD release is over-matted to 1.85:1)




"The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh" 1977 Premiere Release Information

"To pooh-ject a pooh-rific picture on your screen THE ASPECT RATIO IS 1.75 to 1"

(NOTE: While the original theatrical framing for this film is 1.75:1, the DVD release is only 1.33:1)




"The Rescuers" 1977 Premiere Release Information

"To make the world's smallest secret agents the right size to vanquish the world's wickedest woman,
THE ASPECT RATIO is 1.75 to 1"

(NOTE: While the original theatrical framing of this film was 1.75:1, the DVD release is misframed at 1.66:1)




"Pete's Dragon" 1977 Premiere Release Information

(NOTE: The theatre kit states that the running time of the film is 2 hours and 7 minutes, while the DVD release is 2 hours and 9 minutes. That makes an extra 2 minutes.)

"So Elliott the Dragon can be seen at his brazzle dazzle best please project "Pete's Dragon" at an aspect ratio of 1.75 to 1"

(NOTE: While the theatrical framing for this film is 1.75:1, the DVD release is 1.66:1)




"One Hundred and One Dalmatians" 1979 Re-release Information

"The Aspect Ratio for a Spot-tacular Screen Image is 1.75 to 1."

(NOTE: The original theatrical framing for "One Hundred and One Dalmations" when it premiered in 1961 was 1.33:1. Therefore the 1.75:1 matting of this 1979 re-release is another example of the critically frowned upon theatrical re-releases of Disney animated films in the improper aspect ratio.)




"North Avenue Irregulars" 1979 Premiere Release Information

"The Aspect Ratio for a screen image that's gangbusters is 1.75 to 1"

(NOTE: While the original theatrical framing for this film was 1.75:1, the DVDs are both undermatted to 1.66:1 through anchor bay and over matted to 1.85:1 on the Disney DVD)




"The Watcher in the Woods" 1980 Aborted Initial Premiere Release Information

(NOTE: The theatre kit information states that the running time of the film is approximately 1 hour and 40 minutes. The DVD release is merely 83 minutes. That makes a missing 17 minutes!)

"The Aspect Ratio for a spirited image is 1:75 to 1"

(NOTE: While the theatrical framing for this film was 1.75:1, the DVD release is framed at 1.85:1)




"The Last Flight of Noah's Ark" 1980 Premiere Release Information

"THE ASPECT RATIO TO CAPTURE ALL THE ADVENTURE IS 1.75 to 1"

(NOTE: Both the Anchor Bay and Disney DVD releases are overmatted to 1.85:1)




"Amy" 1981 Premiere Release Information

"The Aspect Ratio For A Heart-Felt Image Is 1:75 To 1"

(NOTE: This film has NOT been released on DVD. Tell Disney you want it, and released in the proper framing of 1.75:1. Call Disney at 1-800-723-4763.)




"The Fox and the Hound" 1981 Premiere Release Information

"The Aspect Ratio For A Sparkling Image Is 1:75 To 1"

(NOTE: While the theatrical framing for this film was 1.75:1, the DVD release is only framed at 1.33:1)




"Night Crossing" 1982 Premiere Release Information

"The aspect ratio for a SUPER image is 1:75 to 1"

(NOTE: While the theatrical framing for this film was 1.75:1, the DVD release is only framed at 1.33:1)




"Trenchcoat" 1983 Premiere Release Information

"The Aspect Ratio for a Super Image is 1:75 to 1"

(NOTE: This film has NOT been released on DVD. Tell Disney you want it, and released in the proper framing of 1.75:1. Call Disney at 1-800-723-4763.)




"Something Wicked This Way Comes" 1983 Premiere Release Information

"THE ASPECT RATIO FOR A SUPER IMAGE IS 1:75 to 1"

(NOTE: While the Anchor Bay DVD release is undermatted to 1.66:1, the Disney DVD release is overmatted to 1.85:1)

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disneyfella wrote:I love the new TCm website find!!
Yeah, me too, not to mention the money we'll save in future pressbook purchases :lol:
disneyfella wrote: Here is the info for "The Shaggy Dog' from the 1959 pressbook (check out page 12 of 26):

http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/archive/viewer ... tId=205948
Great find! I typed that title in, but in the initial offerings for matches, I don't remember seeing it in the first couple of pages, only the Shaggy D.A. Interesting too that the ratio instructions were that far back in the pressbook. All the ones I've seen so far have been in the first few pages.

I typed in all of the live action titles from 54's Rob Roy, Highland Rogue to 89's Honey, I Shrunk the Kids, and the animated classics from 53's Peter Pan to 2000's The Emperor's New Groove. I'm so glad that we got those 6 titles out of it.

Anyway, till I get the Sword and Poppins pressbooks, take care.


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It's so nice to know that there is at least one official source who cares enough about live-action Disney films, since Disney doesn't. :(

Thank god for TCM, that's all I can say.

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I just wanted to post this link for The Black Cauldron...

http://shop.vendio.com/comicod/item/757 ... index.html#

It's some stills from TBC presskit. There's no aspect ratio info, though it's been pretty much established that like Sleeping Beauty, it was shown in theatres in both 70mm(2:20 to 1) and 35mm(2:35 to 1).
I had been looking for a pressbook for it, but now see that this makes TBC the first DAC to have a presskit instead of the pressbook.
I wish they had continued with the pressbooks, but I guess sometime between The Fox and the Hound and TBC they made the change.

Anyway, just wanted to pass this along for those interested. Don't know how long the images will be available.

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I ran across this for Sleeping Beauty some time ago, thanks to Escapay, and even referenced it in another thread a couple of years ago, but had forgot about it. Anyway, it shows a letter from the Sleeping Beauty pressbook stating as follows...

IMPORTANT! THE 35MM PRINT OF "SLEEPING BEAUTY" MUST BE PROJECTED AT AN ASPECT RATIO OF 2:35 TO 1

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/ ... 1508c.html

Only the Special Edition has SB in one of it's theatrical ratio's, the other ratio being the 70mm(2:20 to 1) version. The recent Platinum Edition has a print found, minus the soundtracks, at a 2:55 to 1 ratio, which was never shown in theatres at that ratio.

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Wow, this thread and that TCM website are amazing resources. Personally, I draw a line over a difference of more than .1 in aspect ratios; 1.66:1 to 1.75:1, 1.75:1 to 1.85:1... they're not ideal and should be corrected next time around, but between overscan and everything else that comes into play, it's not worth being bothered by it.

Interestingly, the Region 2 DVD of Biscuit Eater presents it in 2.35:1, not 1.75:1. With this information now available to the public, it shows Disney's lack of care for its live-action catalogue. I mean they obviously must have all of these press books on file somewhere. One look and they'd have the correct aspect ratio to present.
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