Jose Carioca: Character Discussion

[estefan]

I've posted a great many number of times here, but this is my very first Ultimate Disney thread. Hooray!

Anyway, I did a search and I was surprised to see no thread dedicated to the most under-appreciated Disney character, in my opinion: Jose Carioca.



Though Saludos Amigos and The Three Caballeros did pretty decently for Disney, they don't seem to use him often, which is a shame, because he's such a funny and enjoyable character to watch and his animation in the afore-mentioned package films is incredible. Sure, he has been a couple of episodes of House of Mouse and he has a ride at Epcot as well as a popular comic book line in Brazil, I don't think he gets quite the attention he deserves.

In fact, I would totally support Disney making another feature film with Carioca in the lead role. And bring in Bruno Campos to voice him. Bring in the right crew and I think it could turn into something very good.

Thoughts on this character and this idea?

[Margos]

I love Jose! I do think that a new Jose movie would be an excellent idea, but I'm not so sure about Bruno Campos. He has a lovely voice, but I think it's a little too deep and macho for Jose.

He's always been my favorite of the Three Caballeros. Donald just never does anything right, and just can't seem to comprehend the insanity that goes on around him. Panchito, on the other hand, thrives on the insanity, but just seems very unstable. Jose is calm, cool, and collected at all times. He can live in a world of insanity without losing his cool, and do all sorts of crazy things without becoming crazy himself. He's a really underrated character who need a comeback!

[Goliath]

Joe Carioca always has been a favorite of mine. He's a regular character in the Dutch 'Donald Duck' weekly comics magazine. However, the Dutch didn't introduce him until 1980 (38 years after his film debut and 28 years after the start of the Dutch weekly)! Since then, he's never been away for long, so I grew up with the character.

At first, old Sunday newspaper comics from the 1940's were used. These were very long adventures in which Joe was a poor vagabond living in a shabby wooden cottage on the dump in Rio de Janeiro. Unfortunately, when it comes to his taste in women, he has a very high standard, falling for girls he, a bum, could never get of course. That's why he always pretends to be better and richer than he is, to get the women to go out with him. But his bragging always brings him into one unfortunate situation after another. Luckily, Joe is very creative when he gets desperate, so he managed to find some way out, every week.

When the newspaper comics were used, the Dutch decided to make new comics in the same fashion. In 1984, they even produced a very daring political satire about the dictatorship in Brazil at that time. In this story, Joe accidentally becomes president. Nowadays, Dutch stories with Joe are very short and mostly revolve around Joe trying to seduce a girl.

For years now, Joe is the most popular Disney character in Brazil. They also make new comics with him as the protoganist. But they have changed his appearance altogether, giving him a much more modern outfit and they turned him into a hero instead of the anti-hero he was.

More about Joe:
http://users.cwnet.com/xephyr/rich/dzon ... o/joe.html

[milojthatch]

Like this?

http://www.disneyclips.com/imagesnewb3/ ... pcari2.gif

[Goliath]

Like this?

http://www.disneyclips.com/imagesnewb3/ ... pcari2.gif

Yes, that looks like the modern Brazilian Joe.

[Margos]

I prefer the old outfit myself... He looks a little too "gangster" or something, now.

And, Goliath, you were saying about him trying to get the girls? I'm not too familiar with the characters and situations from too many Disney comics. Can you tell me anything about Aurora/Rosinha (his actual girlfriend), or was she only used for a short time?

[Goliath]

And, Goliath, you were saying about him trying to get the girls? I'm not too familiar with the characters and situations from too many Disney comics. Can you tell me anything about Aurora/Rosinha (his actual girlfriend), or was she only used for a short time?

Yes, in the comics, Joe Carioca is a real womanizer (this originates in the 1940's newspaper comics, which even came before his first film appearance). Aurora/Roshina is not known in Holland, despite what the page I gave the link to claims. She is a Brazilian character. Brazil has a very unique universe when it comes to comics, as you have seen with the new style of Joe. Therefore, their comics aren't published in Holland. In Holland, Joe still dresses like he did in the movies and he's usually trying to convince girls to go out with him by pretending he's a rich or famous person.

[slave2moonlight]

He was also in Melody Time and Carnival Time, and he has appeared on House of Mouse, of course.

[Margos]

Yes, in the comics, Joe Carioca is a real womanizer (this originates in the 1940's newspaper comics, which even came before his first film appearance). Aurora/Roshina is not known in Holland, despite what the page I gave the link to claims. She is a Brazilian character. Brazil has a very unique universe when it comes to comics, as you have seen with the new style of Joe. Therefore, their comics aren't published in Holland. In Holland, Joe still dresses like he did in the movies and he's usually trying to convince girls to go out with him by pretending he's a rich or famous person.

Oh, OK, good to know! Thanks for the info! I just wasn't sure if she was considered "canon" to character or not, but if she only exists in the unusual world of the Brazilian Disney comics, then that makes sense.
Although, I find it amusing that Jose is such a womanizer, since he's the one who calls Donald a "wolf" in The Three Caballeros.

[Goliath]

Oh, OK, good to know! Thanks for the info! I just wasn't sure if she was considered "canon" to character or not, but if she only exists in the unusual world of the Brazilian Disney comics, then that makes sense.

Well, in the world of Disney comics there really isn't such a thing as "canon". Different countries have very different traditions when it comes to comics. Italy uses characters that no other countries use. They also make futuristic comics with Donald as a super-hero. Northern Europe is more oriented on the American 'Walt Disney Comics & Stories'/Carl Barks tradition. So Disney characters, like Joe, can look very different all around the globe.

[Margos]

Well, I guess you have a point there, Goliath. I just mean some things that seem to make sense from one thing to another. The best example that I can think of is the fact that, in a series of comics that had Minnie Mouse as a middle-school student, one of her best friends was a dogface named Penny, whose hair matched the little that we saw of Goofy's wife's hair in the 60s, making her a likely candidate for Max's mom.

[BelleGirl]

Like this?

http://www.disneyclips.com/imagesnewb3/ ... pcari2.gif

Yes, that looks like the modern Brazilian Joe.

"access forbidden" for me So I cannot find out how the 'new' Joe looks.

Anyway, Goliath, I don't recall a cartoon with Joe as president (I have to look it up in my old Donald Duck issues) but I remember one where Joe changes places with a famous Brazillian soccer-player. He is very satisfied with this deal until he has to play soccer. Time to panic!

[Goliath]

"access forbidden" for me So I cannot find out how the 'new' Joe looks.

Odd... Now I get "access denied" too. Anyway, if you want to see the 'new' Joe (and how his Brazilian magazine looks like), check the Brazilian entry in Outducks:

http://www.papersera.net/vilaxurupita/z ... 6_2350.htm

Anyway, Goliath, I don't recall a cartoon with Joe as president (I have to look it up in my old Donald Duck issues) but I remember one where Joe changes places with a famous Brazillian soccer-player. He is very satisfied with this deal until he has to play soccer. Time to panic!

The comic with Joe as president has appeared in Donald Duck weekly 32-1984 to 40-1984 and in the 1991 Winterboek. As with all the long Carioca-stories of the 1980's, it was written by Ruud Straatman and drawn by Jose Colomer:

http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=H+83080

The story with Joe as soccer-player (a weak story, in my opinion) appeared in supplements to DD weekly 51-1984 to 01-1985.

http://coa.inducks.org/story.php?c=H+84126

[Babaloo]

I recently started a Modern Latin American history class in university, and the professor is making us write an essay on anything on our choice, as long as it relates to the Latin America. She claimed that if its not something you love, you wont do good, so naturally I thought what do I like the most and the first answer was Disney. So I decided to do my essay on Disney's "Good Neighbor Policy" and Saludos Amigos/Three Caballeros. I haven't watched either movie since I was a little kid so last night I rewatched both of them and I have to say I couldn't stop laughing half the time! I never noticed how much I LOVE these movies! And I think now Jose Carioca is my new "Most favourite Underrated Character"! I just loved everything about him (his design, his character, his catch-phrases). I wish that Disney would do a new short or something about him again!

[mrkateb]

when I was a child and the Disney characters were still real live folks in my mind (VERY young child, I'm talking...) I remember being confused as to who exactly Jose Carioca even was...I hadn't seen anything about Three Caballeros, and I think "it" showed up in a few comic books now and then, but I didn't pay too much attention, and I don't even think his name was mentioned in any of them that I had.

I also remember seeing the old "Disneykin" ads in same said comic books, and thinking that he looked like some strange old woman...I wasn't sure how to pronounce the name either...Anyway, my parents did actually order a set of those little Disneykins for me, and I remember he was one of the first to go.

Perhaps a fresh viewing of Three Caballeros is in order, but when I finally saw that film I found him kind of annoying, although I don't now remember why.

[Elladorine]

Yes, that looks like the modern Brazilian Joe.

"access forbidden" for me So I cannot find out how the 'new' Joe looks.

Although Goliath has already linked to Outducks page, I've uploaded this particular pic so everyone can see it as well:



I actually used to have a couple of those comics, sent to me by a penpal in Brazil. Wish I still had them! One was an old issue from the 70's (I think), and one was from the mid-90's. I remember thinking that it seemed just slightly risqué for a Disney comic with the way his girlfriend was laying on top of him at the end of the issue, although I could be remembering wrong.

[Goliath]

The American cartoonist Don Rosa has also used Joe Carioca (as well as Panchito) in his adventures of Donald Duck. He sees Joe completely different, though. In his comics, Joe is still the womanizer, but not so much a bum anymore. Instead, he works as a performer in the night clubs of Rio.

His comic with the three caballero's can be read here:
http://disneycomics.free.fr/Ducks/Rosa/ ... =D2000-002