The Princess and the Frog Discussion - Part III

MICKEYMOUSE · Post by **MICKEYMOUSE** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:28 am

BelleGirl wrote:Great that so many of you were able to see TPATF already. I cannot understand why it takes so long for the movie to premiere in The Netherlands, more than a month after Christmas time, when children will have gone back to school. maybe it 's got something to do with the dubbed version not being ready for December?
Well, I just have to do without a new Disney animated feature this christmas. Just watch A Christmas Carol instead, the dvd of Up (I've ordered the deluxe edition and it's been sent, so I have it tomorrow! ) and some older Disney features.

I wonder if TPATF can beat Up at the oscars but I doubt it, Pixar is still the critic's favourite - not that I would mind Up to win, but I would not begrudge Disney getting Best animated Feature award either. (Even though I haven't seen TPatF yet and cannot judge it fully)

I wont be suprised if this movie get a nomination for an Oscar....It will be well deserved!

Ala ad-Din · Post by **Ala ad-Din** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:46 am

I enjoyed it quite a bit as well. It was well done and hopefully this is just begining.

Anyone have a list of all the Disney references? I caught quite a few, but I'm sure I missed a few.

BelleGirl · Post by **BelleGirl** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:51 am

MICKEYMOUSE wrote:
BelleGirl wrote:Great that so many of you were able to see TPATF already. I cannot understand why it takes so long for the movie to premiere in The Netherlands, more than a month after Christmas time, when children will have gone back to school. maybe it 's got something to do with the dubbed version not being ready for December?
Well, I just have to do without a new Disney animated feature this christmas. Just watch A Christmas Carol instead, the dvd of Up (I've ordered the deluxe edition and it's been sent, so I have it tomorrow! ) and some older Disney features.

I wonder if TPATF can beat Up at the oscars but I doubt it, Pixar is still the critic's favourite - not that I would mind Up to win, but I would not begrudge Disney getting Best animated Feature award either. (Even though I haven't seen TPatF yet and cannot judge it fully)
I wont be suprised if this movie get a nomination for an Oscar....It will be well deserved!

I have litte doubt it will be nominated, but actually getting the award is another story!

MICKEYMOUSE · Post by **MICKEYMOUSE** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:56 am

Ala ad-Din wrote:I enjoyed it quite a bit as well. It was well done and hopefully this is just begining.

Anyone have a list of all the Disney references? I caught quite a few, but I'm sure I missed a few.

Good idea, lets make a list, I don't know if it should earned its on thread, but I found a few!! (Spoliers)............

In the beggining Charlotte's cat looked like Marie from (The AristoCats)

When Lawercne became Naveen and was lying to Charlotte, his ears flaped like in (Dumbo), and also a saw a little of (Pinocchio)

When Ray starts his music piece that scence about the Star, or his case his Evangline, that snce was close to (The Little Mermaid), and (Alaiddin)

MICKEYMOUSE · Post by **MICKEYMOUSE** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:59 am

Louis the Gator really reminded me of Baloo from (The Jungle Book)

Babaloo · Post by **Babaloo** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:13 pm

There are a lot of refernces to previous Disney movies. Actually if you go to PatF Wikipedia page, there's already a section for that. One of my favourite things is to find Disney references!

And about it being oscar worthy, I have no doubt in my mind either that it will be nominated. Actually winning it though will be tough since critics love Up. The problem I had was that Disney is allwoing Up to be nominated for Best feature, whereas they're not giving that chance to PatF since they did not put it in that category for consideration. I'm not saying Up does not deserve this nomination, but I think they should have allowed PatF to have the same chance. I know for sure that Up will be nominated for Best Picture since they moved up the number of nominations to 10, but we will never know if PatF could have done the same.

MICKEYMOUSE · Post by **MICKEYMOUSE** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:19 pm

In the opening scene with Tiana as a child there are many princess costumes on display in the room. One shelf in the background contains several princess dresses resembling prior Disney characters including Snow White, Cinderella, and Princess Aurora. After the prologue scene, as the title card appears, someone can be seen beating a rug which is an exact likeness to the magic carpet from Aladdin. One of the costumes on the La Bouff grand ball in the beginning resembles The Little Mermaid. One of the floats in the Mardi Gras parade resembles King Triton of the same movie. Another float reminds of an Agrabah scene from Aladdin. Both movies were directed by Ron Clements and John Musker. Mama Odie's pet snake shares many similarities with Kaa from The Jungle Book. Mama Odie does the same "wand appearing" trick as the Fairy Godmother from Cinderella. Tiana is the second American Disney princess after Pocahontas. The band that Louis plays for is called the "Firefly Five Plus Lou," a reference to the Dixieland jazz band Firehouse Five Plus Two, which consisted of Disney animators. Aladdin's lamp can be seen while Mama Odie is searching for things during a song.A silhouette of Jack Skellington from The Nightmare Before Christmas is shown in the movie The Princess and the Frog as one of the shadows Dr. Facilier summons.

from: wikipedia.com

BrandonH · Post by **BrandonH** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:50 pm

I had a great time watching this movie. I think it is among the five-star masterpieces from Disney, and I would like to see it again in theaters.

The music and humor are both excellent. My favorite character is Louis, who was animated with great skill by Eric Goldberg.

Was it intentional for Frog Naveen to sound like Antonio Banderas? I half-expected to see his name in the credits.

Margos · Post by **Margos** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:31 pm

Disney Duster wrote:But what about the voodoo that Facilier was using looking so evil and going after people and taking pleasure in Facilier's promise to have all the lost souls they could want? That voodoo, those spirits, seemed to be evil, not just Facilier.

It's how he sees it. Have you ever heard a shyster describe voodoo? It's all arcane knowledge, darkness, and concoctions with foul ingredients. Things like devouring lost souls and "looking evil" (which is kind of silly, since looks can be very decieving....) would fit right in with this description. Mama Odie, however, would never see it that way.
You ever hear the legends about how if you try to harnass something like "demonic power" for evil purposes, it will more than likely consume you, and indeed be evil, even if the power itself would have been benevolent without your meddling? I have. So, to me, it makes perfect sense without needing it explained.

Ala ad-Din · Post by **Ala ad-Din** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:59 pm

MICKEYMOUSE wrote:
Ala ad-Din wrote:I enjoyed it quite a bit as well. It was well done and hopefully this is just begining.

Anyone have a list of all the Disney references? I caught quite a few, but I'm sure I missed a few.
Good idea, lets make a list, I don't know if it should earned its on thread, but I found a few!! (Spoliers)............

Also the whole part about wishing upon a star (Pinocchio), the boat in the tree (I think thats a reference, just not sure from where) and in the end the two stars (Peter Pan)

In the beggining Charlotte's cat looked like Marie from (The AristoCats)

When Lawercne became Naveen and was lying to Charlotte, his ears flaped like in (Dumbo), and also a saw a little of (Pinocchio)

When Ray starts his music piece that scence about the Star, or his case his Evangline, that snce was close to (The Little Mermaid), and (Alaiddin)

jpanimation · Post by **jpanimation** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:38 pm

DisneyJedi wrote:
jpanimation wrote:I don't think this movie will earn what it deserves because of Avatar being hyped, and if the early reviews are any indication, deservedly hyped and will only draw more by word-of-mouth. Then after that you will have Frog's main competition, Chipmunks coming in and stealing the family audience. Maybe they would've been better off releasing it during January, when it wouldn't be drowned out by these other mega releases.
I'm sorry, jpanimation, but why must you be so negative?

Well, while I feel Up is a superior movie, I enjoyed this one more but I don't think it'll earn as much. Hence I suggested it may not earn what it deserves.

As for everyone else attacking my differing opinion on the film, sorry but it's not even in my top 15 disney films but that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it. I just don't place it in my #1 spot like everyone else seems to do with each new Pixar movie or what ever. I try to not let the hype get to me, as I know we are starved for good old fashion traditionally animated fun, but that doesn't mean we should settle for less. Everyone's acting like they've never seen a real Disney movie before and calling this the best one ever. To me, that nuts. It was good but I just don't see the instant classic everyone else is.

At least we got the first American princess. All the other countries have had a princess and now America does and boy do we have a good one.

Margos · Post by **Margos** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 3:41 pm

I see what jpanimation says, even though I personally don't agree with him/her.

I'm not sure where I'd rank TPatF, though it might be somewhere in my top ten. I've got to see it again to be sure. But, really, I even love my least favorite animated/partially-animated Disney/Disney-Pixar film (and I'm not really sure what that is)! So, even if it's not in my top ten, I still loved it a lot. And I'm not just giving it a lot of credit because it's new. I'm giving it credit because it's good.

pap64 · Post by **pap64** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 4:14 pm

jpanimation, let me see if I understand your claim...

You are saying that its bad that people are rating the film highly at IMDB because its making the film look better than it really is?

If that's what you are saying, then I somewhat I agree with you. People DO tend to over rate something that they like. But at the same time, if they liked it enough to give it a high rating why shouldn't they? Just you are entitled to believe that the film is good, but not good enough, they have the right to like it more than any other Disney film.

Besides, this seems to the kind of movie that DESERVES the high ratings and praise its getting. The movie also needs good word of mouth so it is successful and better films are made.

I personally see it as just an issue of preference, not something worth getting upset over.

PrincePhillipFan · Post by **PrincePhillipFan** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:03 pm

jpanimation wrote:As for everyone else attacking my differing opinion on the film, sorry but it's not even in my top 15 disney films but that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it. I just don't place it in my #1 spot like everyone else seems to do with each new Pixar movie or what ever. I try to not let the hype get to me, as I know we are starved for good old fashion traditionally animated fun, but that doesn't mean we should settle for less. Everyone's acting like they've never seen a real Disney movie before and calling this the best one ever. To me, that nuts. It was good but I just don't see the instant classic everyone else is.

I can perfectly understand your point, jp, just I don't see why me having a differing opinion as well is an attack on your own. I just stated that I enjoyed this more than any of the Renaissance films, and never quite understood the hype surrounding those movies. I completely respect your opinion, but by expressing my own about the film I never meant to attack yours either.

CherryLipTherapy · Post by **CherryLipTherapy** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:11 pm

I just saw the movie again for the second time. Love it even more now. I'm loving Mama Odie's snake Juju he is just so funny to me.
(possible spolier): He loves her even though she bangs him around although its not on purpose. He just seems so sweet and helpful. (end spolier): I hope they make plushes out of both characters or a collectible statue. I would love to have either or both.

mvd24 · Post by **mvd24** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:20 pm

MICKEYMOUSE wrote: The band that Louis plays for is called the "Firefly Five Plus Lou," a reference to the Dixieland jazz band Firehouse Five Plus Two, which consisted of Disney animators.

from: wikipedia.com

And the pianoplayer resembles Frank Thomas!

goofystitch · Post by **goofystitch** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:45 pm

Time Magazine rated the 10 best movies of the year. They put The Princess and the Frog at #1 and Up at #2.

jpanimation · Post by **jpanimation** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:55 pm

pap64 wrote:jpanimation, let me see if I understand your claim...

You are saying that its bad that people are rating the film highly at IMDB because its making the film look better than it really is?

Yep, for people like myself that use that site to help decide whether to plop down $10 to see it in theaters or even more money to buy it, yes, throwing the rating system out-of-whack to hype it hurts. I remember for almost a month The Dark Knight was the highest rated movie on IMDB, so I went in thinking it would be the greatest movie I've ever seen, and walked out very disappointed (the rating still hasn't adjusted itself). Quite frankly, if I saw Frog's IMDB rating before I walked in and my expectations were to see the the 3rd best movie Disney's ever made, music and all, I would've been extremely disappointed. Right now, there's a few movies on IMDB that are extremely overrated but are famous for that and for the most part, ratings on that site are more fair then the ones on Rotten Tomatoes. I don't follow that site blindly, for obvious reasons, but it is a nice tool when mauling over what to watch.

pap64 wrote:If that's what you are saying, then I somewhat I agree with you. People DO tend to overrate something that they like. But at the same time, if they liked it enough to give it a high rating why shouldn't they? Just as you are entitled to believe that the film is good, but not good enough, they have the right to like it more than any other Disney film.

Besides, this seems to the kind of movie that DESERVES the high ratings and praise its getting. The movie also needs good word of mouth so it is successful and better films are made.

I personally see it as just an issue of preference, not something worth getting upset over.

I'm not upset that people like this movie but that they are not giving it a level rating. Just blindly throwing perfect 10's on movies you "like" kind of defeats the purpose of a site taking user reviews. I doubt theirs any consideration being given to the rating other then to hype it up. I love that everyone has different opinions and would love them to express it in a level way, not just 10's to raise the rating (i.e. If you give a movie a 10, explain to me why its perfect and has absolutely no faults). Just wanting to support traditional animation or just because you were tired of the endless mediocre computer animated garbage doesn't really justify high ratings. Fans more then anyone seem to forget that number (for the most part) represents the quality of the movie and just end up using it to hype up the movie.

I guess this is more of a complaint with how IMDB handles things then with The Princess and the Frog. The movie's good, better then I expected, and I have no grudge against it or people liking it, I'm just not a fan of the over hyping that happens with certain movies on IMDB.

Anyways, since I seem to be the only one here who doesn't think this is the best movie ever, I feel like a troll, so I think I'll avoid this thread until the hype dies down.

DisneyJedi · Post by **DisneyJedi** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:17 pm

goofystitch wrote:Time Magazine rated the 10 best movies of the year. They put The Princess and the Frog at #1 and Up at #2.

Really? Usually Pixar's movies are king.

goofystitch · Post by **goofystitch** » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:36 pm

DisneyJedi wrote:Really? Usually Pixar's movies are king.

I was surprised as well. Up is my second favorite Pixar film. I've only seen The Princess and the Frog once, so it's too soon for me to make a realistic opinion about it. At any rate, both are great films and the fact that they made the top of the list is great news for Disney. Hopefully it's an indication that one or both will break out of the Best Animated Feature catagory and get nominations for Best Picture.

Here is the full list:

1. The Princess and the Frog
2. Up
3. Fantastic Mr. Fox
4. The Hurt Locker
5. Up in the Air
6. The White Ribbon
7. A Single Man
8. Of Time and the City
9. District 9
10. Thirst

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