SAY IT ISNT SO!!!! IS DISENY 2-D Animation NO MORE????

Sir Hawkins · Post by **Sir Hawkins** » Tue Apr 13, 2004 6:10 pm

So what will Disney be doing after their deal ends with Pixar? Will they just stick to live action movies? Or will they do 3D movies as well with the studio that created "Dinosaur"? (Who did create that movie anyway?) Or will they seek out another CGI company? Personally, I think Dinosaur has some of the best CGI I have ever seen, even 4 years later it still looks ahead of its time. Finding Nemo comes close.

AwallaceUNC · Post by **AwallaceUNC** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:24 pm

DreamerQ18 wrote:Do you happen to know which ones?

Bambi II and Mickey's Twice Upon A Christmas are two off the top of my head.

SirHawkins, Dinosaur was actually done by Disney themselves, they set up an experimental 3-D studio. I guess a new form of that studio will revive and make their new movies, starting with Chicken Little.

But here's something to think about... if Eisner does in fact leave, causing Pixar to come back to Disney (as Jobs has said he would consider), would Disney be more accepting of traditional animation again? After all, they wouldn't have to compete with Pixar.

-Aaron

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:50 pm

If you read Steve Job's full quote he says he would come back to Disney "if Eisner leaves and terms are more favorable"

In their report filed today, the Post indicated that Jobs has told associates that he would prefer to remain in business with Disney, if Eisner is pushed out and he can alter the terms of the relationship to his liking.

He does not just want Eisner to leave. He wants Eisner tro leave and keep more profits from Pixar's films (and keep full copyright of characters etc).

So yes, Disney would still be competing with Pixar, even if they continued to distribute Pixar films.

Mr. Toad · Post by **Mr. Toad** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:54 pm

I think Jobs - may get Eisner out and more favorable terms but not full copyright to the characters. Disney needs some access for parks and other purposes to make it attractive.

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 2:58 pm

But JJJ, that's the main sticking point. Publically he may complain about sequels, but the real issue is copyrights. It's not an unreasonable request, after all Pixar do most of the work and creating. But Eisner won't budge and neither will Jobs. Reportedly Jobs have been hawking the same deal to a number of other studios and not getting the "bites" he was expecting, hence the recent public comment about Disney.

Critisise Eisner all you like, but Jobs is just as egotistical in his own way. It's a full on clash of egos between the pair of them.

DreamerQ18 · Post by **DreamerQ18** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 3:34 pm

Wow thanks for the information and now I hope Eisner leaves Lol I don't want to 2-D to leave to bad we can't have it all.

AwallaceUNC · Post by **AwallaceUNC** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 3:44 pm

I actually side with Eisner in some small way in that Disney SHOULD share some copyrights if they remain in tact with Pixar. What does Jobs expect, companies to distribute their stuff and make him money out of charity??

-Aaron

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Thu Apr 15, 2004 5:49 pm

awallaceunc wrote:I actually side with Eisner in some small way in that Disney SHOULD share some copyrights if they remain in tact with Pixar. What does Jobs expect, companies to distribute their stuff and make him money out of charity?

I don't agree at all. Though I find Disney films superior to Pixar films, I believe strongly that Pixar should have the copywrites to their characters, especially considering how awful it would be to have DISNEY make Toy Story 3... or even worse, Finding Nemo 2 (Finding Dory?)

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 3:14 am

Captain Hook wrote:
awallaceunc wrote:I actually side with Eisner in some small way in that Disney SHOULD share some copyrights if they remain in tact with Pixar. What does Jobs expect, companies to distribute their stuff and make him money out of charity?
I don't agree at all. Though I find Disney films superior to Pixar films, I believe strongly that Pixar should have the copywrites to their characters, especially considering how awful it would be to have DISNEY make Toy Story 3... or even worse, Finding Nemo 2 (Finding Dory?)

Yes, but then Pixar makes most of the box office money and all of the merchandise money. Disney gets very little. In addition, they will be expected by Pixar to sacrifice one of the year's best opening weekends to release a Pixar product - NOT A DISNEY product. How does this help Disney's own animation division?

I really cannot see why everyone wants Pixar at Disney - having Pixar at Disney under Job's terms will not be a benefit to Disney.

Sir Hawkins · Post by **Sir Hawkins** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 2:51 pm

I agree with Aaron and 2099net. There's no feasible reason whatsoever that Disney would or should be Pixar's footstool, as it seems Jobs is after. Distributing the films while making little profits at the box office and none from merchandise sounds like a pretty raw deal to me. Any other studio wouldn't stand for it, and I see no reason at all why Disney should. Let Pixar distribute their own stuff and see how far they go, meanwhile Disney will be just as successful with their own CG studio. Their experiment with Dinosaur didn't fail. While $10 mil profit isn't alot, it's certainly alot better than 90% of the 2D animation Disney has put out within the last 10 years that hasn't even broken even.

AwallaceUNC · Post by **AwallaceUNC** » Fri Apr 16, 2004 5:02 pm

Captain Hook wrote:
awallaceunc wrote:I actually side with Eisner in some small way in that Disney SHOULD share some copyrights if they remain in tact with Pixar. What does Jobs expect, companies to distribute their stuff and make him money out of charity?
I don't agree at all. Though I find Disney films superior to Pixar films, I believe strongly that Pixar should have the copywrites to their characters, especially considering how awful it would be to have DISNEY make Toy Story 3... or even worse, Finding Nemo 2 (Finding Dory?)

As 2099net and Sir Hawkins have said, the problem with your proposal is that it leaves nothing in it for Disney. It's an unreasonable expectation. Furthermore, Disney funds HALF the Pixar projects, and has even had some creative input with some of them, therefore they deserve at least some shared copyrights and merchandising rights.

-Aaron

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 3:37 am

I think the important thing to remember is, no matter who distributes Pixar films - Disney, Fox, Warners or even Pixar themselves, a Pixar film will always be a Pixar film.

If Disney distribute Pixar films - which is process will have some affect on Disney's own animation films, even if it is just Pixar "booking" the Thanksgiving opening weekend or whatever, meaning Disney's own film cannot play that week - Disney films may end up not being Disney films.

Its odd, then all these rumours of 2D shutting down started about a year ago, people were speculating that Disney may even stop making their own films and just distribute others (Vangard's Valient for example) and how bad that would be. But the same people still want Disney just to distribute Pixar films? (Case in point, the "estemed" Jim Hill who was all doom and gloom over Disney potentially just becoming a distribution studio, but is all for Pixar going back to Disney). I can't see the logic.

AwallaceUNC · Post by **AwallaceUNC** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 11:35 am

That's a very good point. I've never been a huge fan of the Pixar-Disney alliance, but I also don't like Pixar's existence as a competitor outside of Disney. It kind of forces Disney into CGI even more.

-Aaron

Captain Hook · Post by **Captain Hook** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 4:28 pm

I don't know, but I think I've turned a little bitter after reading some more quotes from Steve Jobs. Maybe it is time for them to just move on, after all. I hope that someday all this will be resolved, but I feel like now that Pixar has become famous, they want to slap Disney in the face.

Disney Guru · Post by **Disney Guru** » Sat Apr 17, 2004 5:24 pm

I could care less I don't buy many animated movies anymore

AwallaceUNC · Post by **AwallaceUNC** » Sun Apr 18, 2004 12:10 pm

Right, but this has a lot to do with the future of Disney animation, and the company as a whole. It's at least somewhat important

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-Aaron

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