Tangled! (The Artist Formerly Known As Rapunzel)

[ajmrowland]

Yet, ppl likely still don't know that it's CG that's made to look 2D, so I doubt it will ever get any attention on that site until the marketing gets into 5th gear.

[PrincePhillipFan]

I know I haven't been around much of the boards of late, but I am extremely excited for Rapunzel, Mook. I think even more so than PatF. I honestly don't care if it's CGI or hand-drawn, as it looks like to be a very intriguing story with wonderful new characters, and the visuals and the fact that Menken is composing the music has me very hopeful for this film. Flynn to me sounds like he'll be a wonderful Disney hero, and even though we haven't heard much about Gothel yet, the song Alan described has me very interested in her character.

Rapunzel herself looks great to me, but at the same time, I'm worried when Laseter said "This film will be about girl power." I'm all for Rapunzel having plenty of spunk, but at the same time, I don't want her to completely overshadow the characters with a "kick butt" kind of attitude, like Fiona from Shrek. If anything, I think that's even more of a very boring and bland stereotype than a "passive princess." "Oh, look, she's all sweet and pretty looking, but look at her whoop that guy!" seems to be the trend recently in a lot of fairy tale, and fractured fairy tale films. To me it's already becoming a very tiring cliche. I hope that both Rapunzel and Flynn have equal amounts of spunk, and butt heads a couple of times, proving that they're both strong characters.

Another thing that really annoyed me about the press statement was them saying "Rapunzel will be not some damsel waiting for her prince." She never really was in the original story. She seemed completely happy in that life in her tower, it was only when the Prince came along did she fall in love, but she was not waiting really for someone to rescure her. Also, in the original story, Rapunzel herself is rather independent, taking care of the children on her own, and in the end, she even saves the Prince with her tears rather than him saving her.

[blackcauldron85]

I'm very excited for Rapunzel, but right now, most of my excitement is saved up for TP&tF. Truth be told, yes, I'm more excited for TP&tF, but I am still excited for this film, too! I agree with what Tim wrote- I do NOT want Rapunzel to be like Princess Fiona!

There just hasn't been much info as of late...not since the D23 Expo. Once more tidbits of info get leaked, then we'll be discussing it more!

[tsom]

I'm excited for this movie, but my excitement is going to escalate more next year. Right now, Princess and the Frog is the Disney topic of the year. By this time next year, there will be lots of hype for Rapunzel.

[UmbrellaFish]

Well, the thing is we've known about Rapunzel for many years now, longer than TPATF... We were, and are, certainly excited for the film, but right now, our crazy, pent-up fan excitement is going to the project that is closer at hand.

[Snow White]

I admit that I'm not really excited by Rapunzel... and I'll try to explain me...

I was excited by Glen Keane and Dean Wellins' version of the fairy tale because they wanted to do a great epic fairy tale... when Glen and Dean go away and Byron Howard and Nathan Greno become directors, I'm not too much excited. This is because their version of the story isn't too great... Nathan Greno during an interview call Rapunzel not a fairy tale but a "comedy"... so this isn't good... Rapunzel is first a FAIRY TALE! And I'm very annoyed that Disney today isn't able to do a very classic fairy tale like Cinderella or Sleeping Beauty.

If you watch "Enchanted" or the trailer of "Princess and the frog", you watch a sort of Shrek-type movies... I don't love this.

I want a very classic fairy tale with romance and epic moments and just a little of comedy and humor, but INTELLIGENT comedy and humor, NOT TOILET HUMOR (fart jokes or stuff like that)... I HATE toilet humor and I think toilet humor ruin movies...

So, I hope to see a very classic fairy tale... I read on AWN.com that Byron Howard love too much Sleeping Beauty (it's his favourite Disney movie), so I hope he will be able to do a movie like Sleeping Beauty, a very epic and romantic immortal movie (with not horribles comedic scenes) that audience will love for decades...

And Rapunzel will be Classic N. 50, so I hope Disney will be intelligent and will not ruin this movie!!!

[Marky_198]

Nathan Greno during an interview call Rapunzel not a fairy tale but a "comedy"... so this isn't good... Rapunzel is first a FAIRY TALE! And I'm very annoyed that Disney today isn't able to do a very classic fairy tale like Cinderella or Sleeping Beauty.

I knew this would happen.
In the end they'll fall back on all the other slapsticky 3d films.
It has to be a comedy. I guess this type of animation (3d) only lends itself for slapstick comedy.

Simply because it's not beautiful and realistic enough. Well, the characters do look like realistic plastic and rubber, but a character like Cinderella would never appear in a 3d film, because the only way to go is exaggeration.

Too bad, this was their chance to really make an epic fairytale in 3d.

[pinkrenata]

Times have changed, though. As wonderful as Sleeping Beauty is, they could never get away with such a passive heroine today. Just look at the difference between live-action films of the 1950s and today. People go to the theaters expecting a different sort of entertainment. Unfortunately, studios have to keep up with those expectations. Otherwise they won't make any money. It's sad but true. The best we can hope for is a movie like Enchanted where the past is embraced, even if the future prevails.

[estefan]

If you go to the home page of IMDb today, there is some concept art from Rapunzel featured at the top of the front page.

[singerguy04]

I'm not sure if it's the same interview since you didn't cite the source... but I read in a interview once with him that he was going along the path of a romantic comedy, which is different that your ordinary comedy. Something with a romantic comedy twist would be a lot closer to the past Disney style.

As far as what I can tell from Rapunzel's character, it seems they want a self-dependant, sassy, smart-mouthed, tom-boyish character. If this is true then a somewhat comedic approach is more appropriate. Personally I like what I've seen of her character. She already seems much more interesting than most princesses. IMO Cinderella, Snow White, and Aurora are really stale and predictable at times (mind you Sleeping Beauty is my favorite DAC, but I'll admit her character isn't the best). I think if this is all true, that Rapunzel will be very refreshing. On top of that, since some of those characteristics aren't exactly princess material, I bet she'll go through a character arch and transform into a more mature woman.

[KubrickFan]

The movie doesn't even has a teaser out and already there are concerns about how the movie will turn out? It's pure speculation, at least wait until there's more information.

[yukitora]

I rather see the animators make the type of film they can make skillfully, rather than make a poor attempt at a Sleeping Beauty remake. If comedy is their strength, let them make a comedy....

[Snow White]

Yes... I understand what you tell... but I explain my personal and general opinion... I think Disney has lost his magic... movies after Lilo and Stitch aren't good, also Enchanted is too much like Shrek and it seems that also Princess and the Frog is too Shrek-ish.

So I think Rapunzel isn't good, directors call Rapunzel "comedy" and NOT FAIRY TALE! Yes, romantic comedy, but NOT fairy tale!
And comedy for Disney means Shrek-ish movies, like toilet humor (fart jokes and stuff like that... people can see this in Princess and the Frog trailer, there is 2 or 3 fart jokes)...

I'm disappointed because Disney will make only Shrek rip-off... and I hate it.


I read also that in a scene Rapunzel will be happy to go into a puddle of mud... so she will be like Shrek!?!?!?!?!? I'm too disappointed... Rapunzel hasn't royal qualities...

this movies isn't the classic fairy tale that people want to see at the cinema...


My question is: is it so impossible to make a classic version of Rapunzel fairy tale?

[PatrickvD]

Yes... I understand what you tell... but I explain my personal and general opinion... I think Disney has lost his magic... movies after Lilo and Stitch aren't good, also Enchanted is too much like Shrek and it seems that also Princess and the Frog is too Shrek-ish.

So I think Rapunzel isn't good, directors call Rapunzel "comedy" and NOT FAIRY TALE! Yes, romantic comedy, but NOT fairy tale!

At the D23 convention I'm pretty sure John Lasseter referred to Rapunzel as the last of the Great European Fairytales. The directors also expressed their wish to have the Alan Menken songs become as legendary as his early 90s music. On top of that the art direction is inspired by Disneyland architecture.

You only read/hear what you want to hear.

And I'm SO sick of this "it's too much like Shrek"-crap. We're living in a postmodern society where a princess who waits for her prince to come just doesn't connect with audiences anymore. The original fairytales are dark, twisted and they don't communicate to a 21st century movie audience.

And has anyone ever considered that it's actually Shrek that is too much like Disney? The first film constantly references Disney and "Disneyfication". Therefore the film can't exist without Disney. After all, Shreks sappy, happy ending doesn't really try all that hard to be any different from your average Disney film. And then there's the the many sequels (DTV much?) and a Broadway musical (really, Katzenberg?) that only confirm that Shrek is a poor Disney copy franchise that has succesfully tricked its audience into thinking it's smart satire of Disney animation. In reality it is NOT. It cheaply makes money off them. It's a big budget Goodtimes video that knows it's a big budget goodtimes video and rolls with it. Nothing more, nothing less.

So seeing people mention Enchanted as 'too much like Shrek' is painful to read. Enchanted is self-reflexive and never tries to make the audience believe the film is smarter than the films it is refering to.

And Princess and the Frog? Just because Tiana turns into a frog, that automatically makes it a Shrek copy? The whole transformation theme has been a part of Disney's animated canon since day 1. From the evil Queen and Pinocchio to Brother Bear and Kuzco, there are so many transformation storylines and twists on that story element that it's funny to see so many uninformed viewers thinking Shrek invented that "twist".

[yukitora]

In all honesty, I think Shrek one and two are genuinely good movies... it's what has become of the franchise that really bothers me.

Shrek is ultimately more of a tribute to what disney animation has brought the world than anything else. Sure the words satire and parody could be used as well, but dont they all just mean the same thing?

[PatrickvD]

In all honesty, I think Shrek one and two are genuinely good movies... it's what has become of the franchise that really bothers me.

Shrek is ultimately more of a tribute to what disney animation has brought the world than anything else. Sure the words satire and parody could be used as well, but dont they all just mean the same thing?

there's a pretty big difference between tribute/homage and satire, actually. Shrek is not an homage to Disney.

But yes, what has become of the franchise is kind of laughable. They're making a fifth one... and puss in boots movie.

[ajmrowland]

There footage from Shrek the Musical on the Monsters Vs Aliens DVD, and I'd say it looks pretty decent. I don't think it's really meant to parody Disney so much as Fairy Tales in general. The first two films are genuinely good and there's not a fifth movie.......yet.

[Margos]

there's a pretty big difference between tribute/homage and satire, actually. Shrek is not an homage to Disney.

But yes, what has become of the franchise is kind of laughable. They're making a fifth one... and puss in boots movie.

Exactly. Look at "Enchanted." Now look at "Shrek." The former is a tribute, because it gently mocks the old Disney ways, while still honoring them and, to a certain extent, following them itself. The latter, however, is almost vicious in its mocking, and tries so hard to be something "new" and "unusual" that it can't even pretend to be something classic. "Enchanted" is a love-letter to all things Disney, while "Shrek" is just a mockery of it.

"Rapunzel" and "The Princess and the Frog" will be classics, as per the Disney tradition. Everything I've heard about them so far makes me very sure of this. They will bring something new to the table, but they will still have that magic at their cores.

[MadasaHatter]

According to Coming Soon.net the official release date is November 24, 2010

November 24, 2010

[IagoZazu]

Well, that was the day before Aladdin premiered, so it looks like it'll be in Disney's traditional Fall release period that several of the animated classics came out in.