NEW "Kingdom Hearts: Birth By Sleep" game !

[ajmrowland]

It's "358/2 days", and it's the difference between the end of Days and the start of KHII.

[Disney's Divinity]

This is the first time I've really paid attention to the Birth by Sleep updates (I was trying to not get too excited before it actually got here), but the worlds they're using definitely look interesting. Though I have no idea why they have the Lilo & Stitch world here--I would think they would save it for one of the main titles. Anyway, it always seemed bizarre to me that Atlantica wasn't going to be in this prequel, considering it was the only world that mentioned stuff happening before the original game (Triton's history with the Keyblade). I think all the people complaining about Atlantica being "too difficult to navigate" ruined its chances for future games. Stupid people.

Anyway, I like how they used the twisted pumpkin for Cinderella. Also, did anyone see the yellow experiment in one of the Stitch screencaps? I haven't really kept up with L&S's sequels, but I thought that experiment was only seen in the TV series? Maybe they'll use the experiments in a similar manner to the Dalmatians/Winnie the Pooh pages?

Getting down to it though, the only problem I have with Kingdom Hearts since the first game is that the Disney worlds seem to always be carbon copies of their movies. Cinderella's world seems like it's going that way, too. If I wanted to see the exact same thing, I would just watch the (much better) movie. It's a good thing the original characters are interesting, otherwise I have a feeling this series would've died pretty fast.

I'll be getting this as soon as it comes out. 365/2 days will have to wait--unless I find a job soon (been applying like crazy). The Organization was never very interesting, and BbS offers 3 different games in one (Terra, Ven, Aqua). So I think Birth by Sleep is the better buy if I can only afford one.

[disneyboy20022]

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I'll be getting this as soon as it comes out. 365/2 days will have to wait--unless I find a job soon (been applying like crazy). The Organization was never very interesting, and BbS offers 3 different games in one (Terra, Ven, Aqua). So I think Birth by Sleep is the better buy if I can only afford one.

Yeah I agree Birth By Sleep is the better buy.....however I thought it wasn't going to be released stateside until either spring or summer of 2010 and thats for the PSP....so since Birth by Sleep has yet to recieve a release date....which is speculated to be 2010

Btw everyone....The Ds Game 358/2 days not 365/2 is coming out the end of the month....

and if you like bonus stuff if you pre-order the game through gamestop you can get some postcards and a poster....

and amazon has some exclusive sleeve cover which I refer to it has a slipcover for the ds case which will also be available at Best Buy

http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/Product ... t_id=73827

[ajmrowland]

Anyway, I like how they used the twisted pumpkin for Cinderella. Also, did anyone see the yellow experiment in one of the Stitch screencaps? I haven't really kept up with L&S's sequels, but I thought that experiment was only seen in the TV series? Maybe they'll use the experiments in a similar manner to the Dalmatians/Winnie the Pooh pages?

Yeah, they did say they'd only use movies and not DTVs or TV, but they already did something akin to Return of Jafar, and this is still a world before Stitch lands in Hawaii.

Getting down to it though, the only problem I have with Kingdom Hearts since the first game is that the Disney worlds seem to always be carbon copies of their movies. Cinderella's world seems like it's going that way, too. If I wanted to see the exact same thing, I would just watch the (much better) movie. It's a good thing the original characters are interesting, otherwise I have a feeling this series would've died pretty fast.

While I do agree with you on the original characters part, you gotta remember the whole point of the series in the first place was to reimagine Disney characters and settings, so having the main plots of the respective game interrupt the plots of the movies has always been there. Plus, this is no doubt where Maleficent decides to broaden her horizons. Not to mention there has been some liberties taken with the movies by having original material take place in those worlds. Beast's Castle doesn't really follow the film's plot, and neither does Olympus Coliseum. Timeless River has much inspiration, and Land of Dragons, Port Royal, Agrabah, 100 Acre Wood, Halloween Town, and the Pride Lands have a little bit of original plot the second time you visit each in KH2. You can't expect all these to be nearly as good as their films, either, considering that KH is like a tv show in Video Game form in the first place.

[Disney's Divinity]

While I do agree with you on the original characters part, you gotta remember the whole point of the series in the first place was to reimagine Disney characters and settings, so having the main plots of the respective game interrupt the plots of the movies has always been there. .

You see, that's the problem. The movie plots aren't being re-imagined, they're just being re-told now. The only Disney world in KH2 that was at all relevant to the main story was Beast's Castle.

The good thing is this game might turn out different, since all the princesses will be getting captured. But there still seems a lot of copy and paste going on with Cinderella at least.

[Disney Duster]

Well...

I have to say I was wondering if I could get to excited or happy for much anymore...

But seeing my favorite parts from Cinderella recreated in 3-D...has made me very actually happy!!!!!

It looks beautiful. She's in her correct silver!!! And the 3D-rendering of the palace shows it surely is the most romantic and beautiful castle ever created by Disney. Don't worry, I didn't say it was the coolest, creepiest, most mysterious one...

I was wondering if the mice would end up building her silver ball dress, but no, I'm gonna get to see it transform by magic in 3-D! Yes, I also love the twisted pumpkin!

I don't know how they could do more original story with Cinderella while still retaining the things I wanted to see from it in 3-D...so, I'm actually fine with seeing it reproduced so closely...

In fact, isn't the idea supposed to be that the stories we know happened to the characters, and then they were captured?

The only thing that would make sense without affecting their original stories would be for Maleficent to capture them after they got their happy endings...

But I'm fine with this alternate Kingdom Hearts reality version of their stories...just for the game.

[ajmrowland]

True, not much at all is relevent to the plot in KH2. That's not what I said.

What I've kept trying to tell people is that my theory is that what's not relelvent to the Organization's plot in KH2 will be so when KH3 comes around and Maleficent's all-powerful again(inevitably, if you look at where we leave her in KH2), and she and pete spend all of KH2 recruiting-and re-recruiting- cohorts as well as finding a new stronghold.

You see, there's not 1 main plot in KH2, but 2, with many subplots(*looks at how each time each world is visited and how similar themes play in a respective world*). The Maleficent plot is just left unresolved, that's all.

That's the only part of the game that really fails; that one of it's plots-one that gets MASSIVE screentime-is left unclear, to be resolved in a future installment. It makes so much sense, I'm surprised that I, of all people, seem to be the only one who's caught on. If this were a gamefaqs board, I'd continually *facepalm*.

Also, they were trying to turn Jafar into a heartless, and they also did so with the Dragon and they created a giant heartless in Port Royal just so Sora and co. can destroy it and give them the heart. Replayability means here that the more times you play these games, the more you realize what was "insignificant" actually had a little significance. It just wasn't conveyed as well as it should have been.

I mean, before now, what Triton said about the keyblade was insignificant, as well as the first time Riku took the keyblade from Sora in that game, but both moments are significant now.

[Super Aurora]

Getting down to it though, the only problem I have with Kingdom Hearts since the first game is that the Disney worlds seem to always be carbon copies of their movies. Cinderella's world seems like it's going that way, too. If I wanted to see the exact same thing, I would just watch the (much better) movie. It's a good thing the original characters are interesting, otherwise I have a feeling this series would've died pretty fast.

I totally agree with ya, although I have to agree that Olympus Colosseum is pretty original and not follow the story.

To me it should of been some sort of sequel event of the world or something. To make it different and interesting. Kilala Princess was able to do that with Snow White's world (as a sequel), Sleeping Beauty's(as a sequel) and Ariel's(as a prequel)

[ajmrowland]

And neither, really, does Halloween Town. It even acknowledges that it's story has been over for a while. brace yourself for it in Days, if you must, but there's little interaction with Disney characters in that game, so it won't ALL be seen.

[Disney's Divinity]

True, not much at all is relevent to the plot in KH2. That's not what I said.

I know--that's what I said.

What I've kept trying to tell people is that my theory is that what's not relelvent to the Organization's plot in KH2 will be so when KH3 comes around and Maleficent's all-powerful again(inevitably, if you look at where we leave her in KH2), and she and pete spend all of KH2 recruiting-and re-recruiting- cohorts as well as finding a new stronghold.

So it's important to have what happens in a game not really be about the game your playing and instead relevant only to the next one in the series? That...makes sense? Honestly, all the good villains are dead for good now, who will Maleficent be recruiting? Ursula's return wasn't even explained (I had to fill in the blanks for myself to even make sense of that). And if they come back again, the game will just become ridiculus.

You see, there's not 1 main plot in KH2, but 2, with many subplots(*looks at how each time each world is visited and how similar themes play in a respective world*). The Maleficent plot is just left unresolved, that's all.

Uh...I know that? But Maleficent's plans are not the main plot. It is a subplot--hence it is unresolved/unimportant to what happens in KH2. The main plot revolves around the Organization, who frankly have nothing to do with the Disney worlds. True, they do have some effect on the second round to some worlds (trying to take Beast , the people of China and Jafar's hearts, for instance), but how does this connect to the main plot at all? This could not have happened and the plot would run without interruption (in fact, it would run better if most of the Disney worlds were cut anyway). Basically, we get 6 games of Sora running around, "Where's Riku?" And then another 6 hours of, "Where's Riku? Where's Kairi? Where's the Organization?" Um, sorry Sora, you must've got lost in the wrong game expecting to find those characters here.

Compare this to the first game's plot, where the mystery of the Heartless, the Keyblade and the Princesses of Heart overlapped into all the worlds (even into Monstro). And at the ending, I felt a sense of something having been accomplished. KH2's story last about 3 hours--it's just interrupted by mindless interactions with Disney facsimiles. "Here! Fight Jafar again! And Oogie! And Ursula! And Hades! Story--what story?"

Replayability means here that the more times you play these games, the more you realize what was "insignificant" actually had a little significance. It just wasn't conveyed as well as it should have been.

But it wasn't significant. Genie saying he'd heard of the Keyblade somewhere before was significant. Triton mentioning the Keyblade's history of destruction and ruin was significant. The insignia on some Heartless and not on others was significant. Maleficent saying, "I NEED HOME!" is not significant. It's a crappy idea used to distract you from the irrelevance of the Disney worlds. From the fact that the Organization and the Disney characters never interact (Beast and Xaldin being the only exception).

I mean, before now, what Triton said about the keyblade was insignificant, as well as the first time Riku took the keyblade from Sora in that game, but both moments are significant now.

Neither was insignificant. They didn't disrupt the movement of the plot, but they were never insignificant. On most KH forums, those moments were thought about and discussed pretty heavily.

Sorry to keep going on about this, but to be treated as if I'm stupid or just don't really understand the game is a joke. I loved KH and still do. But KH2 is all bells and whistles, overlong and empty. I just keep the hope that Square Enix has learned their lesson and will bring us something better the next time around.

[ajmrowland]

I'm talking about the series as a whole, man! It was loud and clear enough in my post. There's been tons of stuff leaked and speculated! I'm not even going to bother reading the rest of your post now. Thinking outside the box is something all of us hardcore KH fans do. It's not about thinking about what's significant to each game, individually. If it were, than the LOTR trilogy sucks because each book/movie individually has more "insignificant" elements than they do as a whole. I will not deny that these games are flawed, but I know there will be some form of justification in future installments.

But in a few years, if I actually turn out to be right, I'll make sure you know that. If my theory is wrong, then I'll openly admit it.

End rant.

I don't even state everything I say as fact. It's my opinion, and my hunch. My pet peeve is when people seem to miss that because I didn't spell it out like I just did. I'm not disagreeing with you or trying to make you out as stupid, I'm just stating my thoughts on the issue. It makes me mad when that's not clear to anyone!

[Mason_Ireton]

I can't wait to try out Cinderella's world along with Sleepin Beauty's world too.... I'm really nervous bout how Snow White's world will turn out, she looks fairly good in 3D yet I perfer her 2D form.


Here's few images featuring Snow White's World aong with the game play

http://www.siliconera.com/2009/09/04/ki ... this-year/

I wonder how they're gon'na handle the Dwarfs' role for Birth By Sleep.....Who knows... maybe Grumpy or Doc might join the team ???

[ajmrowland]

Because I have no life, I took last night, every bit of information/rumor I had and made this. A lengthy summary of the entire series as known/leaked/speculated so far. From all this is where I got my theory. I posted it on another BBS board, and figured I'd post it here to try and make my point clear.

*SPOILERS*

Kingdom Hearts 1:

Introduction, basically

New characters(Sora, Kairi, Riku) wonder about other worlds. When their own is destroyed, Sora attains a "Keyblade".

Maleficent and other Disney villains, meanwhile, are observing this key bearer with one hand, and with the other, they are going around and capturing these maidens known as the "Princesses of Heart". This is often evident in the deeds done in their own worlds. There goal: to reveal Hollow Bastion's keyhole, and go through it, to a Door To Darkness.

Sora sees Kairi a couple of times, and he meets Riku in Traverse Town, but Riku not only takes the keyblade from him(and give it back) but disappears, and we soon find out that he is being recruited by Maleficent, and starts a decent into Darkness.

After more work, and more worlds, many more hints at the work of the Villains, and a speech from King Triton about how the keyblade brings destruction, S,D, and G end up at the world of Hollow Bastion, the castle where Maleficent resides. Riku, consumed by his hatred, is tempted and taken by Ansem, who apparently has been observing his and Mally's dealings with darkness, and with the creatures known as Heartless(beings of darkness who take the hearts lost by people, and are instinctually attracted to darkness). Mally is also defeated. Ansem was apparently using her, riku and sora to open the Door himself, to which he believes, will bring him unwavering power. He is defeated, and the Door is shut again, with Riku and the King on the other side.

Chain of Memories:

Sora, Donald, and Goofy are on the road once again. The darkness somehow fades to a between world meadow, a path which they follow for a month. In Caslte Oblivion, we are introduced to Organization XIII. We learn that this castle is only a branching company building. We learn that the lower numbers are of higher rank, and that many are looking to betray the organization. Vexen is the org's scientist. Axel, the executioner. He is the only one to survive these adventures. While Sora and co. lose their memories and gain fake ones, Riku and the King form an alliance, and Riku, who tries to fight the darkness, learns to weild it and fights Ansem properly. They also meet a mysterious character named DiZ.

Kingdom Hearts 2:
We meet Roxas. He learns that he was once a member of Organization XIII, and also Axel's friend. We also learn that he is half of Sora. Considering Sora turned himself into a heartless in KH1, Roxas was spawned as a Nobody-a representation of the body and soul left behind by a strong heart. Roxas is exceptional, because Sora was strong enough that Roxas retained his human form.

We learn of Organization XIII's plans from the beginning: Sora was always being used to gain hearts so that a massive Heart reminiscent of the Heart of All Worlds(Kingdom Hearts) can be made, and they can use it to exist(since they dont, nor do they have emotion). We also learn that Organization XIII's first six members are apprentices of Ansem the Wise. Believe it or not, he was not the Villain of KH1, but the heartless of the imposter who was the villain. Real name: Xehanort(the reason X is in any Org. member's name). His Nobody, Xemnas, is the leader, and is hinted at in CoM.

Leon and the Gang are restoring Hollow Bastion(their former home) to it's original state, but face lots of trouble from the Heartless and Ansem's computer system.

Meanwhile, Maleficent and Pete are going around recruiting and rerecruiting baddies while finding a new HQ. This involves an attempt to take Disney Castle by time travel, and a more forceful one to re-take HB.

Ansem is revealed to be none other than DiZ, and the three heroes continue their search for their friends. Axel, because of Roxas, betrays the organization. Kairi is seen with a keyblade.
Xemnas is defeated, which means his original self shall is reborn.
ajmrowland
Posted 9/7/2009 8:13:58 PM
message detail Days:
A year in the life: Roxas's days in the organization, his friendship with Axel, and his reasons to leave them.

BBS:
The End of an Era. Taking place 10 years before KH1, a war among Key bearers has broken alliances, destroyed lives, and shook the world. The remaining battlers, 3 young apprentices(Ven, Terra, and Aqua) and an opposing team( former MX, and his apprentice). They continue to fight. MX has discovered rumor of a Door to Darkness, and attempts to start recruiting the required princesses. In three separate stories, the three heroes trudge across several worlds. Aqua does something, Terra tells Maleficent what he knows about the Door and the Princesses, and other worlds, and reportedly chooses Riku as his successor(read top of post). Ven, somehow, connects himself to Sora. A supposed connection between Aqua and Kairi is evident too. And one character eventually becomes the Xehanort that assists Ansem the Wise.

Coded:
An immediate sequel to KH2. Not much plot, except for destroying blocks. Released in episodes.

*End Spoilers*



KH3:*Speculation*
The original "Xehanort" becomes a villain. This is because it is believed that when a both the heartless and nobody are killed, they are reborn as their original self. Maleficent is all-powerful once again. Either an alliance, or a war is struck between them. Our heroes are caught in the middle. Kairi becomes a Key Bearer.
ajmrowland
Posted 9/7/2009 8:15:07 PM
message detail My point is that a fair amount of foreshadowing has been applied in the entire series.

I don't claim my writing to be perfect, just that it's thoughtful.

[ajmrowland]

New battle music.

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[Mason_Ireton]

Ok we got some mega update and more images, KHinsider.com has posted some info bout 2 worlds for Birth By Sleep

1st up is a image from Snow White's World, Dwarf Woodland

http://www.kh2.co.uk/image.php?view=/kh ... 092409.jpg

Along with images for Neverland, yes we actualy get to explore the island just like in 358/2Days

http://www.kh2.co.uk/image.php?view=/kh ... 092409.jpg

Here's the info for the worlds

Dwarf Woodland: Terra follows after Xehanort, after being ordered by his Master to do so. And following him, Ven and Aqua both end up on this world.

Ven and Aqua try to help the 7 dwarves in having Snow White’s life, but Terra is being used by tthe Queen to kill her. With the three of them entwined in this old story

Neverland: not much as been said on this world's plot but from the images we get to explore the WHOLE island, from Pirates Cove to Mermaid Lagoon to the Indain Camp..

Hope you guys enjoy the update.

here's the link to the story

http://www.kh2.co.uk/index.php?a=66

[Super Aurora]

Holy crap that fight against the magic mirror look so epic. That's probably something I'll love to do.

[Mason_Ireton]

I can't wait to fight the Mirror either, that's gon'na be awesome....I also can't wait to explore Dwarf Woodlands, especialy the Dwarfs' Mine.

I plan on playin Aqua's Story and Ven's story too.

Not sure if anybody's seen images from Cinderella's World or Stitch's world either.


Castle Of Dreams

http://www.kh2.co.uk/image.php?view=khb ... 03-eng.jpg

http://www.kh2.co.uk/image.php?view=khb ... em_eng.jpg

Deep Space

http://www.kh2.co.uk/image.php?view=khb ... 05-eng.jpg

http://www.kh2.co.uk/image.php?view=khb ... cs_eng.jpg

Personaly I'd love to fight Lucifer and give him a dose of Mice Power *laughs*

[pap64]

None of these links are working for me...

[Mason_Ireton]

They work fine for me, maybe this'll help


www.kh2.co.uk on the 1st page is the Snow White and Peter Pan images and on Page 4-5 is Cinderella and Stitch images.


I'd post the images on here but the bandwith were WAY too big.

[pap64]

Nope, I tried opening them in both Safari and Internet Explorer and nothing. I get an error message.

Can someone upload the pics elsewhere?