Beauty And The Beast: Diamond Edition Discussion Oct. 5th!

DisneyPrincessSyndrome · Sat Sep 19, 2009 7:42 pm

Maybe it's just me and my love of the simple blue opening. The new one is really amazing and totally makes me giggle, but I think i just need a little more time to adjust to it. And I read most of the thread, so I'm pretty familiar with the different issues people are having.

ajmrowland · Post by **ajmrowland** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:18 pm

^Welcome to the boards!:)

And as for belle's hair, many people forget the Red is used to make Brown. The colors may be digital, but they still have to be mixed. That should be exactly how they even managed to make so many changes to each scene.

It seems like the ballroom scene is the one that is least changed anyway, and all studios would rather do with most animated films is ease parental paranoia in some people rather than provide an entertaining movie. Yes, I believe this is the fault of the studio heads, if not Eisner himself.

disneyboy20022 · Post by **disneyboy20022** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:29 pm

ajmrowland wrote:^Welcome to the boards!:)

And as for belle's hair, many people forget the Red is used to make Brown. The colors may be digital, but they still have to be mixed. That should be exactly how they even managed to make so many changes to each scene.

It seems like the ballroom scene is the one that is least changed anyway, and all studios would rather do with most animated films is ease parental paranoia in some people rather than provide an entertaining movie. Yes, I believe this is the fault of the studio heads, if not Eisner himself.

Eisner?? I thought he was old knews via petitions and Save disney website....last I heard of Eisner he had bought Topps baseball Card Company and had delusions of wanting to make Mark McGwire into a Superhero via an animated super hero baseball team??

Kyle · Post by **Kyle** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:41 pm

He is, but he wasn't when the dvd released, and the changes were made.

CampbellzSoup · Post by **CampbellzSoup** » Sat Sep 19, 2009 10:48 pm

What did he or the top heads at Disney have to do with the DVD other than fund and approve the release?

The film makers interjected a new scene approved by them I'm sure they had their hand in looking over, and remastering the film to what we have today.

KubrickFan · Post by **KubrickFan** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 3:01 pm

DisneyPrincessSyndrome wrote:Hi, I'm Ellie! I'm new here and I thought I'd post here because BatB is my favorite Disney movie because according to my mother, it was the first movie she and my dad bought for me on VHS (I wasn't born when the movie was in theatres). I was only about...nine when the PE came out and everything and I saw it in IMAX for my birthday that year. I was really pissed that we came in late (Maurice was in the forest), but I thought it looked beautiful. I was still naive when the DVD came out, and it took me a good couple of years before I figured it out that the new saturation was sucky. I'm hoping that the Diamond Edition for next year will be the TRUE theatrical version, but if you guys know the stuff that they did to Sleeping Beauty last year, you know that it will probably be butchered further.

How was Sleeping Beauty butchered? There was one cleaning up mistake, and that's about it.

DisneyPrincessSyndrome wrote: And secondly, am I the only person pissed that they replace the old blue Walt Disney Pictures opening with the new 3-D castle opening in ALL the classics now (watch the Sleeping Beauty and 101 Dalmations PE DVDs if you don't know)? I'm amazed no one has started a rant about that, because I will happily volunteer. I don't mind using it on all the new releases or even on the opening of the DVDs (right before the previews roll), but not on the movie itself! Poor Walt must be rolling in his grave.

You're forgetting the Blu Castle opening wasn't on Sleeping Beauty or 101 Dalmatians either. They used it for the first time in 1985. So, technically, only the classics made in that period should use it. I'm against revisionism, and I hate it when they add logos that shouldn't be there. I couldn't even stand it that the Touchstone logo was changed for The Nightmare Before Christmas. If they really need to have their logo in the movie just use it before the logos that were actually used. Universal's Hitchcock movies is a great example of how it should be done.
Warner Bros. is another studio that uses the wrong logos constantly, and it's really annoying.

Disney Duster · Post by **Disney Duster** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 3:05 pm

KubrickFan wrote:How was Sleeping Beauty butchered? There was one cleaning up mistake, and that's about it.

What was this cleaning up mistake? I caught some things they changed to Sleeping Beauty but nothing that made me think it was a cleaning up mistake.

Just.A.Friend · Post by **Just.A.Friend** » Sun Sep 20, 2009 3:10 pm

Shouldn't we be getting some cover art for the release soon?
We got Snow White almost 10 months before it was released..

That is if BatB is going to be the Spring Release Diamond.. and if it isn't, some Fantasia and F2000 art?

goofystitch · Post by **goofystitch** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:20 am

Just.A.Friend wrote:Shouldn't we be getting some cover art for the release soon?
We got Snow White almost 10 months before it was released..

That is if BatB is going to be the Spring Release Diamond.. and if it isn't, some Fantasia and F2000 art?

We shouldn't see any cover art for another 6 months. I think you are mistaken, because I don't remember Snow White art being released until a little after Pinocchio was released last March. We should, however, see some for Fantasia soon, which is the next Diamond Edition (yes, I know the card that comes with Snow White lists Beauty and the Beast first, but it is still the Fall release).

Escapay · Post by **Escapay** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:31 am

Maybe the person who put together that page of the booklet wanted to make it alphabetical and wasn't told that Fantasia had to be listed first.

albert

KubrickFan · Post by **KubrickFan** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 3:22 am

Disney Duster wrote:
KubrickFan wrote:How was Sleeping Beauty butchered? There was one cleaning up mistake, and that's about it.
What was this cleaning up mistake? I caught some things they changed to Sleeping Beauty but nothing that made me think it was a cleaning up mistake.

It was just one shot of the blue fairy (forgot her name) that looked a bit off. That was it, as far as I could tell. What things did they change, according to you?

Marky_198 · Post by **Marky_198** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:05 am

KubrickFan wrote:
How was Sleeping Beauty butchered? There was one cleaning up mistake, and that's about it.

.

Actually there is NOTHING left of the original Sleeping Beauty.
They altered the colors, many scenes look like a horrific Hanna Barbera production. (can anyone fine the screens and examples of the comparison shots?) The white lines in Aurora's hair in "Once upon a dream" are now, fluorid/chewing gum green.
The scene of the fairies giving the gifts to Aurora in the beginning is a big travesty.
They also took apart all the spoken lines, singing lones, sounds, and separated all the instruments of the music. Then they tried to put everything back, but EVERYTHING is shifted back and forth. Sound effects that occur on a later/earlier moment in the music. Chorus parts that are shifted and don't make sense musically anymore.
The gift of song is one big mess, the chorus lines are half a second too late now, so it doesn't fit with the music anymore.

Need I go on?

Marky_198 · Post by **Marky_198** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:20 am

Here's the example of how they turned a disney classic into a cheap Hanna Barbera sequel.
The exact same thing happened to beauty and the Beast, to stay on topic.
Flattening the image, removing the depth, and make it look like a sequel.
Look at the tick black lines, and look at the sleeve. They redraw some lines and patches, and forgot others.

2003 dvd

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Blu ray

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2099net · Post by **2099net** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:26 am

it's it odd, out of all the screen-shots of the new Sleeping Beauty available, plus of course the ability to make your own, you keep coming up with the same one from a small sequence of the film. It's not as if the DVD original you post in the comparison is that great anyway - it doesn't look like most of the rest of the movie looks.

There seems to be something inherently wrong with those frames, and how they are drawn compared to the rest of the movie.

Its like if I keet showing the same off-model instance of Belle from Beauty and the Beast and use that as "evidence" the whole film was animated by cheap hacks.

jpanimation · Post by **jpanimation** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:59 am

Marky_198 wrote:
KubrickFan wrote:
How was Sleeping Beauty butchered? There was one cleaning up mistake, and that's about it.

.
Actually there is NOTHING left of the original Sleeping Beauty.
They altered the colors, many scenes look like a horrific Hanna Barbera production. (can anyone fine the screens and examples of the comparison shots?) The white lines in Aurora's hair in "Once upon a dream" are now, fluorid/chewing gum green.
The scene of the fairies giving the gifts to Aurora in the beginning is a big travesty.
They also took apart all the spoken lines, singing lones, sounds, and separated all the instruments of the music. Then they tried to put everything back, but EVERYTHING is shifted back and forth. Sound effects that occur on a later/earlier moment in the music. Chorus parts that are shifted and don't make sense musically anymore.
The gift of song is one big mess, the chorus lines are half a second too late now, so it doesn't fit with the music anymore.

Need I go on?

NOTHING left? Actually, the entire negative is left and in great shape, so something is indeed left of the original Sleeping Beauty

Anyways, why are we complaining again? From what I've read, the new colors are more accurate and look exactly how the original cells and background art looked, while the 2003 DVD was the altered colors. Your just not used to the theatrical colors. The wish scene with Merryweather has always been a bad scene but you just couldn't tell with the lowered resolution and increased darkness to cover their butts. Take a look at this comparison on HTF that compares the 1987 Laserdisc, 1997 Laserdisc, 2003 DVD, and 2008 DVD:

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/forum/t ... st_3445320

Notice the colors of the UNRESTORED 1987 Laserdisc match the 2008 restoration more, compared to the altered 1997 and 2003 releases.

Your argument that the restored colors make this a Hanna-Barbera production is ridiculous. The filmmakers wanted it to feel flat as an artistic choice, like a painting, thats why they barely used any color shading and used lighting only in key atmospheric areas. The restoration team didn't flatten it, the original production team did. Your argument for BatB is much more valid, as shading was used greatly and depth was clearly lost with the restoration (not to mention you were around for that one in theaters).

The only part that bothers me about the 2008 restoration is that the wine drinking servant is yellow (as opposed to green in the 2003 DVD) but then is green when he wakes up (right before the fairies put him back to sleep). Not sure if thats an original production error or something the restoration team caused.

Overall, I prefer the 2008 Blu.

stewie15 · Post by **stewie15** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:52 pm

Get rid of that blu cap, it makes everything so long and unreadable!

ajmrowland · Post by **ajmrowland** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:48 pm

Marky_198 wrote:
KubrickFan wrote:
How was Sleeping Beauty butchered? There was one cleaning up mistake, and that's about it.

.
Actually there is NOTHING left of the original Sleeping Beauty.
They altered the colors, many scenes look like a horrific Hanna Barbera production. (can anyone fine the screens and examples of the comparison shots?) The white lines in Aurora's hair in "Once upon a dream" are now, fluorid/chewing gum green.
The scene of the fairies giving the gifts to Aurora in the beginning is a big travesty.
They also took apart all the spoken lines, singing lones, sounds, and separated all the instruments of the music. Then they tried to put everything back, but EVERYTHING is shifted back and forth. Sound effects that occur on a later/earlier moment in the music. Chorus parts that are shifted and don't make sense musically anymore.
The gift of song is one big mess, the chorus lines are half a second too late now, so it doesn't fit with the music anymore.

Need I go on?

The rest of us trying to get through to you:

Escapay · Post by **Escapay** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 4:35 pm

Marky wrote:Actually there is NOTHING left of the original Sleeping Beauty.

Someone better alert the Disney Animation Research Library!

Marky wrote:Need I go on?

Polly want a cracker?

albert

singerguy04 · Post by **singerguy04** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:39 pm

Omigod you guys, I can't believe we've been so blind as not to see it before!

Of course, Disney wouldn't have tried to restore the films to their original theatrical versions!!! The company is actually trying to sabotage itself by turning the entire DAC cannon into cheap rip-offs of the craptastic films by Hannah-Barbara, who has never turned out anything worth while I must add! Isn't it obvious how the company would want to destroy the classics that bring in billions for the company? Why couldn't we see that the company no longer relies on or cares about these "classics".

seriously guys, seriously! I'm pretty sure that Disney is going to release a press release tomorrow stating that they've decided to turn the entire animated studios into a day-care center. Arts and crafts being their specialty

. Oh and btw, Fantasia is going to be released in a special K-5th grade edition and brought to us specially by crayola! Can't wait to compare those images to my vhs from the 90's!!!!

WE MUST DESTROY THE NEW RESTORATION TEAMS OF DESTRUCTION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Escapay · Post by **Escapay** » Mon Sep 21, 2009 9:39 pm

for singerguy!

albert

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