Disney's Divinity wrote:I don't think he was talking about villains singing in general, just about how they sing about how "evil" they are. Most people think that takes away from a villain, that they do evil just to be evil (not very realistic at all). I haven't listed to TP&TF's villain song, so I can't comment. Just that I don't think "Poor Unfortunate Souls," "Hellfire" or "Trust In Me" fall under that category. "Gaston" and Madame Mim's song seem more like something he would criticize, though I think both had their purposes.
How many Disney-villains songs actually do fall under that category (sing about how "evil" they are)? I think you can count them on one finger, if any? What about Scar, Governor Ratcliff and Jafar? They sing about what they want, and I think that is not without purpose. They want power, they want riches. That's why they do evil and that's pretty close to realism.
mjx189 wrote:I'm going to the showing on night of the 28th in NY with three other friends, and the four of us are all 19 years old, so I am sure the crowd will be made up of all ages.
We'll were also in our 20s so this is good to hear ... I really wanna pic with the meet and greet princess'
I want a picture with the princesses too, but I could live without it. I wanna see what the Disney animator thing is about. It just seems so far away. I'm trying to stay away from information about the movie, but its hard.
The second trailer had some tiny new clips. I really loved it.
This movie is looking better each day. I actually think this will be a huge hit and I've had my doubts in the past. I'll be bold and say this will be the first handdrawn film since The Lion King to make over $200 million at the US Box Office. Wich would make it one of only 3 handdrawn films to ever do so. The other of course being Aladdin.
I've heard nothing but fantastic things from the D23 audience that saw the first 30 minutes.
Old Fish Tale wrote:New video! It looks better than Christmas!
Like I said, I absolutely love this PATF trailer, but did anyone notice the horrible Toy Story trailer that's played afterwards?
Are they actually capable of improving 3d animation?
What's up with those strange movements and dead eyes?
I can't believe it.
And seeing it right after this beautiful trailer, with beautiful expressions and wonderful fluidity, makes it even more obvious.
Old Fish Tale wrote:New video! It looks better than Christmas!
Like I said, I absolutely love this PATF trailer, but did anyone notice the horrible Toy Story trailer that's played afterwards?
Are they actually capable of improving 3d animation?
What's up with those strange movements and dead eyes?
I can't believe it.
And seeing it right after this beautiful trailer, with beautiful expressions and wonderful fluidity, makes it even more obvious.
man, what are you talking about?? dead eyes? It's the same Toy Story ever was.
Marky_198 wrote:
Like I said, I absolutely love this PATF trailer, but did anyone notice the horrible Toy Story trailer that's played afterwards?
Are they actually capable of improving 3d animation?
What's up with those strange movements and dead eyes?
I can't believe it.
And seeing it right after this beautiful trailer, with beautiful expressions and wonderful fluidity, makes it even more obvious.
man, what are you talking about?? dead eyes? It's the same Toy Story ever was.
You just despise CGI, dontcha?
Well, CGI has come to spell the end of Disney feature animation as we know it...let's hope "Princess and the Frog" does well enough to make Disney aware of how much people still love the classic style.
Marky_198 wrote:
Like I said, I absolutely love this PATF trailer, but did anyone notice the horrible Toy Story trailer that's played afterwards?
Are they actually capable of improving 3d animation?
What's up with those strange movements and dead eyes?
I can't believe it.
And seeing it right after this beautiful trailer, with beautiful expressions and wonderful fluidity, makes it even more obvious.
man, what are you talking about?? dead eyes? It's the same Toy Story ever was.
You just despise CGI, dontcha?
Yes, I do I'm going to make a new thread to explain a few things.
Cordy_Biddle wrote:
Well, CGI has come to spell the end of Disney feature animation as we know it...let's hope "Princess and the Frog" does well enough to make Disney aware of how much people still love the classic style.
Yes, but the thing is, those to types of animation have absolutely NOTHING to do with eachother, so I actually don't see why one would replace the other.
I've just become really disillusioned with Disney animation as of late. It seems that ever since Dreamworks started their series of crappy CGI features, we've only had a handful of truly enjoyable Disney movies in exchange...the last one I remember being any fun at all was "Lilo & Stitch". Before that, we of course had the second golden age (the Fab Five), but there's been little of late I've really enjoyed or anticipated from the Disney animation studios.
I'm hoping my excitement for 'Princess and the Frog' is felt by everybody else here...
There's a song that goes "It doesn't matter what you look like" and a line "all that matters is what's under the skin"...
But people still need a princess that looks black and has black skin?
Once again, what Disney preaches, then actually does in their films conflicts, right up there with Beauty and the Beast's "it doesn't matter what you look like"/"we want to be human again!"
I really want to know...do looks partly tell us what someone is like on the inside. Can we love someone because they look like us, and it means they are like us? Or can we love someone because they look like what we want, and on the inside they are what we want?
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What exactly are you saying, Duster? Those were only lines that didn't exactly gave away the full message (I believe this movie's message is to always dream and work hard no matter who you are or where you are, and I am taking a shot in the dark here, but I believe its likely that Tiana is upset because she is a frog and can't do much of anything but Mama Odie reminds her that its the skill that matters).
But if Mama Odie says it doesn't matter, why turn her back into a frog? I thought this wise woman just explained she didn't need that. I guess she could still cook and open a restaraunt for all creatures in the swamp as a frog?
Disney Duster wrote:But if Mama Odie says it doesn't matter, why turn her back into a frog? I thought this wise woman just explained she didn't need that. I guess she could still cook and open a restaraunt for all creatures in the swamp as a frog?
You see, it is quite confusing and contradicting.
There's actually an explanation for that, but it involves spoilers so here I go...
From what I read, Mama Odie DOES offer her services to turn her back into a human. But tells Tiana and Naveen that in order to break the spell they must find a REAL princess and have her kiss Naveen. The only princess they know is Charlotte because her father is named king of the mardi grass. So they rush out to see her, and even though they kiss the spell isn't broken, they are too late. So both Naveen and Tiana accept their froggy state and decide to get married in the bayou. This, I believe, is where the "it don't natter who you are" line comes from because both Tiana and Naveen accept that they can be who they are despite their cursed form.
BUT, just as they kiss they turn back into their human selves, meaning that true love's kiss DID exist between them.
Long story short (and one without spoilers), I think the film will explain that very well .
I like that. Hm, it actually didn't spoil me too much, now I'm just looking forward to it...
BUT...it still means that Mama Odie was saying it only matters what's on the inside, even if you are a frog.
BUT THEN true love makes them hot humans again. True love and a happy ending came with the hotness. Should I hope to fall in true love with someone who's looks I don't like at all, they have such an amazing inside? Can certain art and beauty-loving people, or just certain people, love someone because of their looks, and that person with those looks loves them, and true love happens? Can true love be anywhere, even in someone you just think is cute? I have yet to find true love with someone who loves me, and find the answers to my questions...
AND EITHER WAY they still say "doesn't matter what you look like" "it's what's under the skin that counts" BUT we need to have a black princess!
I'm going to make a new thread to explain a few things.
