Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs: Diamond Edition (Pt. 2)

[SpringHeelJack]

So, does anyone know if the website is up yet?

[Escapay]

Aw, Brends. I'm gonna miss you.

albert

[ajmrowland]

I'm a bit put off by the fact that some of the skin-tones are much redder in the flash pics.

[universALLove]

Personly, I prefer the look of the 2001 version.

[yukitora]

I like it too, shows how washed-out the PE was.

[Marky_198]

I like it too, shows how washed-out the PE was.

Are you kidding me?

The PE looked horrific and overly bright, way too saturated reds, which made Snow White and the queen look like clowns.

The new restoration looks 5 times worse and has NOTHING to do with Disney anymore.

Omg, what kind of time are we living in, with this brainwashed creatures?

Walt Disney: "I deliberately toned down the colors of Snow White, because THAT'S how I want it".

They should change the title of the film from "Snow White" to "Strawberry Red"......

And why did they remove all the details in het hair? It's one big black patch now. Oh, I forgot, that's part of the "restoration" process, remove all the details and recolor big patches.

[PatrickvD]

Are you kidding me?

The PE looked horrific and overly bright, way too saturated reds, which made Snow White and the queen look like clowns.

The new restoration looks 5 times worse and has NOTHING to do with Disney anymore.

Omg, what kind of time are we living in, with this brainwashed creatures?

Walt Disney: "I deliberately toned down the colors of Snow White, because THAT'S how I want it".

They should change the title of the film from "Snow White" to "Strawberry Red"......

And why did they remove all the details in het hair? It's one big black patch now. Oh, I forgot, that's part of the "restoration" process, remove all the details and recolor big patches.

you crack me up.

oh and the detail in Snow White's hair was most likely grain or dirt. Because you know, the movie's over 70 years old.

But other than that, yeah I agree, what has the world come to?!?!? This new restoration is most certainly a sign of the four horsemen of the apocalypse drawing nigh!

run!

[The_Iceflash]

I have a question.. Am I the only one planning to get the 2-Disc DVD version or is there anyone planning on getting it? I feel like the odd one out here since everyone else appears to not be getting that version..

[The_Iceflash]

I'm a bit put off by the fact that some of the skin-tones are much redder in the flash pics.

Same here.

[David S.]

I have a question.. Am I the only one planning to get the 2-Disc DVD version or is there anyone planning on getting it? I feel like the odd one out here since everyone else appears to not be getting that version..

You're not the odd one out by any means, and I really like your signature!

I'm really happy with the 2001 PE. However, if there are some new bonus features that make me want to double-dip (preferably, something about the theme park rides), I will of course, as a DVD supporter, be going with the 2-disc DVD set. You know, the one that Disney is deliberately, quietly releasing 7 weeks late in hopes that DVD supporters will get tricked into buying the BD/DVD combo pack that only has DVD disc one and will be strategically, misleadingly placed in the DVD section, and labeled "DVD" due to Disney's hopes that they can finally crow about their BD combo pack "outselling" the 2-disc DVD!

[2099net]

I'd wait until you actually see it before commenting on it.

As for "toned down colours..." [sigh] the Book that comes with the original UK Platinum explains this

We want to imagine it as rich as we can without splashing color all over the place. I saw a Harman-Ising cartoon about Spring... last night. They got colors everywhere and it looks cheap... It's just poster like. A lot of people think that's what a cartoon should have. I think we are trying to achieve something different here... We have to strive for certain depth and realism... the subduing of colors at the right time for the right effect.

Nowhere does it say ALL colours will be subdued or toned down. If colours are subdued "at the right time" or "right effect" you can also assume that for other times and effect they aren't. Secondly, he says "depth" indicating he's (mainly) talking about backgrounds. And again, the 2001 DVD release still had subdued and "earthy" backgrounds and in other instances too - the Dwarfs' clothing for example is/was still somewhat dull and bland.

But it absolutely does not mean every single colour throughout the entire film had to be similarly muted. If all colour was to be used this way, it would give the film a look of being shot entirely in the dark. I'm sure brighter colours were used - often - for certain characters/items/events simply to make them stand out and have a stronger visual presence.

http://www.amazon.com/Make-Up-1930s-Bea ... 1934268755
The Queen was clearly inspired by the idea of "glamour" and "beauty" of the time - think movie stars like Mae West, Bette Davies etc. Look at that artwork for the mak-up book. The Queen does not "look like a clown" she looks like a fashionable star of the time would look.

Again, although you keep ignoring me - look at the Adventures of Robin Hood (released in 1938 so it is more or less contemporary with Snow White's development). Look at Olivia de Havilland's make-up on the poster (used on the DVD case).



You have this idea that bright colours didn't exist back then - that everybody trudged around in battleship grey all day and dirt like browns. It simply isn't the case.

[CampbellzSoup]

I have a question.. Am I the only one planning to get the 2-Disc DVD version or is there anyone planning on getting it? I feel like the odd one out here since everyone else appears to not be getting that version..

You're not the odd one out by any means, and I really like your signature!

I'm really happy with the 2001 PE. However, if there are some new bonus features that make me want to double-dip (preferably, something about the theme park rides), I will of course, as a DVD supporter, be going with the 2-disc DVD set. You know, the one that Disney is deliberately, quietly releasing 7 weeks late in hopes that DVD supporters will get tricked into buying the BD/DVD combo pack that only has DVD disc one and will be strategically, misleadingly placed in the DVD section, and labeled "DVD" due to Disney's hopes that they can finally crow about their BD combo pack "outselling" the 2-disc DVD!

Get a grip

[David S.]

Once again, instead of intelligent discussion, just childish, sarcastic put-downs from a member of the more overzealous "blu" crowd. If by some blessed miracle the 2-disc DVD of Snow White outsells the BD combo pack despite Disney completely stacking the deck against it, I will come on here and make sure I have a great deal of fun pointing this out to you.

DVD Forever!
Viva DVD!

[Deco King]

I'm sorry Blu Ray just blows DVD right ought of the water !!!

There is NO COMPETITION , its like saying Laserdisc is/was as good as DVD - it's simply not true!!

Roll on October 6th 2009 !! I just can't wait for Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs!! to hit Blu Ray!! WithSnow White ,The Wizard of Oz and Gone With The Wind appearing on Blu Ray this Fall an awful lot of people will join the Blu Ray crowd by Christmas 2009!!

[a-net-fan]

I'm a bit put off by the fact that some of the skin-tones are much redder in the flash pics.

Same here.

Yes me too. I remember someone posting somewhere on here about how they reference the old original stills etc when they go to do restorations so I decided to do the same before making a comment on the drastic change in Snow Whites skin tone. I went to a number of art galleries what sell original animation art online and looked at their original Snow White stills. After doing this you cant deny they have really tampered with her skin tone. It just cant be denied...

[David S.]

I'm sorry Blu Ray just blows DVD right ought of the water !!!

There is NO COMPETITION , its like saying Laserdisc is/was as good as DVD - it's simply not true!!

Well, I'm not saying if you add up the specs that DVD would come out ahead. BD clearly would win. However, DVD works best for me, my setup, and my expectations.

For one thing, there is no noticible difference between the formats on my tvs, because I like classic 4:3 flatscreen tube tvs. And my DVDs look awesome on them, and I never feel like I'm missing anything because I'm happy with how they look. A sharper image on fancier equipment is not going to make the jokes funnier, the story more interesting, and the emotional, touching scenes more emotional and touching.

In fact, the Pinocchio and Snow White BDs would look awful on my tvs, because the film would have to be pillarboxed AND letterboxed because of how BD is configured to exclude classic-sized tvs - whereas DVD can work with both sized tvs. A 4:3 film will fill a 4:3 tv on DVD and likewise for anamorphic 16:9 DVDs will fill 16:9 tvs.

Since most of my all-time favorite films (such as most Walt-era animation) were actually filmed in 4:3, this would be an issue. And it also explains why I'm in no hurry to get a wide tv. The wide tv would have to be as tall as my largest 4:3 tv in order for it to properly display all my favorite 4:3 films in the size I am used to viewing them in, and that would be very expensive. Since I am very happy with how my existing tvs and DVDs look, I'd rather spend that money on collecting actual titles themselves - DVDs and CDs - and traveling - things I am MUCH more passionate about than having the "latest and greatest" technology.

Also, as I'm more interested in building a large library than technological equipment, that's another reason DVD is the best choice for me, since the catolog titles BD has to offer is a fraction of what's on DVD. BD mostly has new releases with some token, well-known classics thrown in. When there are as many catalog titles on BD as there are on DVD, and when the many tourist attractions that I visit start putting their independently-produced souvenir DVDs on BD instead of DVD, then we will know that BD is truly ready to be the dominant format - if that ever happens.

But as I've said repeatedly, I'm not against BD in and of itself - I'm against the shameless, heavy-handed way Disney is trying to kill DVD because they want BD to catch on with the masses faster than it is. The more they try to shove "Blu" down everyone's throat, the more determined I am not to swallow!

I hope this thoughtful post will help better explain where I'm coming from.

[2099net]

After doing this you cant deny they have really tampered with her skin tone. It just cant be denied...

I think it can easily be denied, because its not the final product. We all know Disney's reliability on its before and after comparisons and pre-release clips is somewhat sketchy.

Again, wait until you see it for real. Remember all the fuss about the new Sleeping Beauty restoration after the on-line video, which didn't match the actual release colours?

http://www.ultimatedisney.com/forum/vie ... 442#398442

Compare:
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IMO its worthless trying to evaluate the content, until you actually have it - not some third rate copy (and that includes on-line videos hosted by Disney)

[Wonderlicious]

And why did they remove all the details in het hair? It's one big black patch now. Oh, I forgot, that's part of the "restoration" process, remove all the details and recolor big patches.

Remember that the video/picture of which you are referring to isn't very big at all. So don't get wound up just yet, coz it could look so different on a full-sized television.

And for all who prefer the 2001 restoration, simply go and stick with that.

[SpringHeelJack]

Actually, according to a Blu-ray I fished from John Lasseter's garbage while looking for table scraps, the correct color is this:



So you're all way off.

[Wonderlicious]

Springy: you are a funny one.