Timon/Pumbaa fan wrote:"Traditional animation"...maybe if the first film back wasn't some so damn-awfully politically-correct just so those ugly Obama kids can have something to dress as during Halloween.
Apparently you didn't grow up from being racist and heavily detested for it. That was terrible, wrong, and the good thing would be to take it back. If you don't, you aren't good, and it's pretty darn un-Christian.
Oh, and if you say Disney is only a childhood favorite brand-name, that goes for all of Walt Disney's stuff too. Yup, I think he used the word brand a few times when talking about the kind of stuff he was so good at making. You can also listen to how he said he made everything for adults too, or not.
Timon/Pumbaa fan wrote:"Traditional animation"...maybe if the first film back wasn't some so damn-awfully politically-correct just so those ugly Obama kids can have something to dress as during Halloween.
I understand that Timon/Pumbaa is the resident "troller" of the site, but even then I believe there are limits as to what one can say and I think he crossed the line.
There was no need to insult the forums nor the president's daughters. If you like this thread fine, but you belittled the rest of the forums. Not all threads express the creative seen here but they express something important; the thoughts, opinions and feelings of the UD members.
I have to agree with Duster in that your comment about Obama's kids is coming close to being racist. Just because you don't believe in Obama it doesn't give you the right to insult his family, especially his children.
In life, you can say a very different opinion and still have it be respected. Its all in how you deliver it. All that you said in your post could have been respect if it wasn't for the need to insult people. If you think it makes you look unique and "cool" it doesn't It just makes you look childish and juvenile, and in a forum where I think has some of the smartest people around I have ever met you stick out much worse than a sore thumb.
Rudy Matt wrote:
The lead characters are animated as if the have two by fours shoved up their...well, their rear ends. The animation is so stiff in that film, it seems like you can use any of the characters for a dart board.
I find that to be an overstatement. Sure it's not as fluidness as Roger Rabbit or the Genie, but it's not suppose to be. Plus I don't count having a mediocre animation to make the film horrible. It's the story that counts.
Rudy Matt wrote:The comic relief is a waste of time,
There was hardly any comic relief. Movie like Quest for Camelot or Swan Princess had waste of time comic relief.
Rudy Matt wrote:and the exclusion of the 10 Commandments is unforgivable -- the story of the liberation of Moses' people is the story of a compact between the Israelites and God. Prince of Egypt only shows the happy feel good part where everyone marches out of Egypt singing Mariah Carey songs, but stops before audiences would learn of the resonsibilities asked of people in exchange for their salvation.
This I will agree with you that negating the ten commandments was a very odd thing to do. I probably overlook this without much complaint main because the focus of the story was Moses and his relationship struggle with his Egyptian "brother". True, Moses never was an Egyptian
prince in bible but this story wanted to make a conflict for main character and also fit the title so it was done.
If I wanted a true-to-true accuracy to source, I'll just read the damn bible.
It's same deal with Disney's adaption on classic story-tales. They derive ALOT from the main book and purist get crazy over it, but the films are still enjoyable and good.
Rudy Matt wrote:Like everything American in the 90's, the film is all reward, all touchy feel good emotion, and no responsibility.
This is why I watch anime to compensate that
Timon/Pumbaa fan wrote:
"Traditional animation"...maybe if the first black film wasn't some so damn-awfully politically-correct just so those ugly Obama kids can have something to dress as during Halloween
I have to admit, I really laugh out loud and found it funny when I read this. Then again, I have a twisted sense of humor.
Timon/Pumbaa fan wrote:Congratulations Escapay, you made the most worth-wild and fascinating post on this silly forum since.. well okay, this is the most worth-wild and fascinating post on this forum. One of the only few to make me get out of my ongoing hiatus(which will probably be forever permanent).
You put down the forum and site, tell us about your hiatus and proceed to make a stupid and offensive post. Are you looking for people to encourage you to stay away or just looking to get a rise? Either way, please spare us. You obviously have strong opinions and an extensive knowledge/appreciation for Disney. If you're looking to share them, go for it. If you're just looking to piss people off and insult the looks of pre-teens, then I'm sure there's a better place out there for you (maybe the forums of one of those daylight-beating sites?). Frankly, it looks like one person has quite a bit of growing up still to do.
Timon/Pumbaa fan wrote:"Traditional animation"...maybe if the first film back wasn't some so damn-awfully politically-correct just so those ugly Obama kids can have something to dress as during Halloween.
I'm sure they'll set a better example for this country than Bush's brainless, drunken spoiled-brat daughters: the Wannabe-Hilton sisters.
As for the topic, I think it's time to add another form of snobbery: the one where I say I don't own any Disney DVD's still as of all these years after they've started releasing them. Nope. Not a single one. (But I think I may have some exciting news on that in a couple months...)
That may very well qualify me as a snob. Because I actually still have a problem with Walt Disney Home Video's business practices. They really are very scummy to put out discs and take them off the market so soon. Yeah, you all have copies. But can you imagine, putting yourselves in my shoes, what it feels like to have 2 major things you're collecting? And not really have the money to collect both. I've shelled out most of my money for horror related media, because unlike Disney- there are hundreds of must-have releases spread out over something like 40-50 different companies.
Disney should be easier to collect. You know? I'm starting to think one of the reasons people are so psycho over this company (as I admit I am too, but I idealize the great work while many people just see it as Family Entertainment, you know?) is because there is a Hard-To-Find quality to some of these films. They feel like more rare treasures because we know everything from that company is "For a Limited Time."
Anyway, I'm a snob for thinking it's downright insulting that they make new "music videos" for all their trashy, boring, dull Kid Stars singing classic Disney songs and ruining the memories they should be giving the younger generations. Disney's Empire is so overpowering and greedy, they take a lot of the fun out of everything they touch.
I'm a Traditional Animation snob... and I like the Obamas, they are a gift of change to the s**t-h**e that we used to call Earth during the past eight years.
Lazario wrote:
Anyway, I'm a snob for thinking it's downright insulting that they make new "music videos" for all their trashy, boring, dull Kid Stars singing classic Disney songs and ruining the memories they should be giving the younger generations. Disney's Empire is so overpowering and greedy, they take a lot of the fun out of everything they touch.
Oh yes, count me in too on that! The "music video's" of When you wish upon a star and Once upon a dream make me shudder!
Timon/Pumbaa fan wrote:Congratulations Escapay, you made the most worth-wild and fascinating post on this silly forum since.. well okay, this is the most worth-wild and fascinating post on this forum. One of the only few to make me get out of my ongoing hiatus(which will probably be forever permanent)
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"Traditional animation"...maybe if the first film back wasn't some so damn-awfully politically-correct just so those ugly Obama kids can have something to dress as during Halloween.
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I am becoming somewhat an avid collector of Blu-Rays(Disney or other-wise, other site's coverage beats the living daylights out of this site nowadays sadly)...that's about it.
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Here's one person who has grown up and moved on to other things than a favorite childhood brand-name.
I'm gonna make this short, as so many people have been shocked already. But seriously...why so bitter? You've gone and spoilt a lovely thread by posting something so ridiculously aggressive and tactless it would have made Mussolini blush. If you hate UD so much, why the hell were you even here in the first place, let alone making "revenge" posts? To be honest, your peculiarly anti-environmentalist always ways made me feel rather uneasy, and the amount of arrogance, border-line racism and self-loathing that you have just displayed is making you seem to me, a European, to be a negative stereotype of an American today - a bigot who is not doing well to represent the good of their country after quite a bit of bad-press on the international stage.
Luke, UD rocks as much as it ever did, and I would like to encourage you (or one of the other mods) to please separate all the bitter posts and related discussion into another thread or something, as it'd be nice for Escapay's fun thread to go back to being a fun thread.
Wow...Timon/Pumbaa fan, that was definitely crossing the line. Personally, I too am a Traditional Animation snob...hell, I ONLY collect the traditional animation by Disney...(DAC-wise, only Snow White through Brother Bear...and also the Treasures). And while I am personally not a big fan of Obama by any stretch (and i'm a democrat, even), you don't see me coming up with insults like that. You still need to give respect to those around you. And whats more, "The Princess and the Frog" has been brewing in the Disney Studios since before Obama came on the scene, let alone since before he became President. So you cannot pin this new film on him, it really doesn't even make sense.
-BB
MY "FAB FOUR": 1- FANTASIA, 2- THE LION KING, 3- BEAUTY AND THE BEAST, 4- THE JUNGLE BOOK
Wow, 10 members of UD just gave the troll all the attention he wanted with his 'shocking' remark. I can't believe 10 members of UD wasted a full page of Escapay's thread to fulfill the troll's craving for attention. Ah well, too bad...
I'll agree with the people who say there should be "I hate all DTV cheapquels"-option. I know there are some people on UD who like them, but my guess is, they are a small minority. I've watched some of them, when they just started (like the Aladdin sequels), but even at a pretty young age I soon figured out it had nothing to do with "telling all new exciting stories about the characters from the film we all fell in love with". I stopped buying that nonsense after it became clear to me they were not doing just a sequel here and there to films that somehow merited one (like Pocahontas, one could argue), but also for Walt-era classics and fairy tales etc.
Goliath wrote:Wow, 10 members of UD just gave the troll all the attention he wanted with his 'shocking' remark. I can't believe 10 members of UD wasted a full page of Escapay's thread to fulfill the troll's craving for attention. Ah well, too bad...
I've been a mod in the past so I knew that Timon/Pumbaa Fan was just looking for the attention. Still, even if the idea is to get the attention it doesn't mean that the troller must be ignored, especially when various rules of the site (which WE ALL HAVE TO AGREE TO IN ORDER TO JOIN) are broken or cross the line. Again, just because idea was to shock people and get the attention it doesn't mean that we can't call out on it or do something about it.
And you are not one to speak since you pretty much trolled those that spoke against the original post. If you didn't care yourself why ruin it by saying something?
Finally, I agree with the motion to split the thread and remove all posts related to Timon's comments so that we can continue enjoying the thread without having to relive the nonsense.
pap64 wrote:And you are not one to speak since you pretty much trolled those that spoke against the original post. If you didn't care yourself why ruin it by saying something?
How did I 'troll' anyone?
Damn, another post wasted! See what you made me do?
"Opinions are like a$$holes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks."
-Home for the Holidays, 1995
For the record, and a refresher on UD history, despite evidence to the contrary in his latest post, I would not really label Timon/Pumbaa fan a troll. There have been plenty of former UD regulars who come back out of nowhere then leave just as quickly (Paka, Jack, deathie mouse, Lars, etc.). The only difference is that Timon/Pumbaa fan is...well, a regular of a different colour. He's like a "loose cannon" that sometimes needs to be reined in.
His first couple years on UD he was one of the regular posters who chatted regularly in both the forum and the chat room. There were always some noticeable clashes (T/P fan versus MadonnasManOne, T/P fan versus Prince Eric, T/P fan versus any Pixar lover, etc.) but he presented himself with valid arguments and reasonings that supported his opinions, even if a few others just saw it as the rantings and whinings of a young kid wanting to go "against the grain" of the general consensus. Since 2007, however, his posts had become less frequent, and he generally became disenchanted with Disney as a whole and as a result, his UD time also lessened as he did not like the direction it was going in (DVDizzy). But we can't call him a troll simply because he doesn't like the direction the site's gone or he doesn't like the direction the forum has gone. That's another topic for another thread (and that thread can be found in Feedback), and I don't want it discussed here.
Anyway, I'm not trying to defend what he wrote. I'm not trying to say it was right of him to say most of it in such a strongly-worded manner either. I actually agree with a few of his points. I don't care much for the Cyrus Channel beyond maybe "Wizards of Waverly Place" (a new guilty pleasure). Most of Disney's new projects aren't exciting for me either. I too want to see a Roger Rabbit 2.
The parts I disagree with are his criticisms/insults towards the site/forum. I already addressed that in the above paragraph (basically, this is not the topic for that discussion, so please don't talk about it). Also, the dig at the Obama girls was unnecessary and wrong regardless of what political side you take. They're kids, for goodness sake. If you hate their father and his politics, hate their father and his politicals, but don't take it out on the kids.
I do share his non-enthusiasm for TPatF, but for entirely different reasons though. I don't give a rat's ass if it's traditional or CGI or if the princess is black, white, green, orange, etc. I simply don't care much for the story, and from what little I have already seen (basically the trailer and a couple images), it doesn't really make me want to jump up and see it in theatres.
I just want the current UDers to know there was (is?) more to him than that latest sure-to-get-people-mad post. If you had been here in 2005/2006, you could've seen that. Alas, there is no time machine to do that (and who'd look after the cheese factory anyway if we had one?), so unfortunately, the reputation of Timon/Pumbaa fan is currently that of a troll. As Luke said, T/P fan has an extensive knowledge for Disney (his appreciation these days seems...well, fluctuating). His opinions are strong, but that doesn't make them any less valid than someone who disagrees with it. After all, I can easily rattle off the names of at least ten regular UDers who stick to their opinions even if everyone else disagrees with him/her, so it's not like the dynamics of the forum would change if T/P fan returned. If he ever returns to UD on a regular or semi-regular basis, I hope people will know now that there's more to him than this latest post.
Hopefully this can be the final word on the matter, so can we please get back to the lightheartedness of Disney snobbery?
Like I said in an earlier post, I'd love to add more categories that people have suggested. If I could, I would have done this thread without the poll to make those additions easier. But it really wouldn't be fair to add them now and not have the ability to vote for it. Perhaps next year I'll make "What Type of Disney Snob Are You? Revisited!" that includes more options, removes some, change the wording, etc.
BTW, I realised I never revealed what type of Disney Snob I am. Well, I've said enough in this post, so I'll think about it a little more before posting again.
And...to focus on something positive, I'm glad to see that brotherbear has posted once again on UD! Glad to see you back, hopefully we'll hear/read more from you on a regular basis again!
albert
WIST #60:
AwallaceUNC: Would you prefer Substi-Blu-tiary Locomotion?
WIST #61:
TheSequelOfDisney: Damn, did Lin-Manuel Miranda go and murder all your families?
Thanks Escapay! Ha, actually missed being on the boards with all the regulars. I've been in college for the last 2 years, so things have been pretty hectic with school, social drama, and the like. haha. I'm hoping, at least through the end of the summer, that I can frequent the UD boards more often again.
-BB
MY "FAB FOUR": 1- FANTASIA, 2- THE LION KING, 3- BEAUTY AND THE BEAST, 4- THE JUNGLE BOOK
I try to be fair. if Im ever guilty of being a disney snob its correcting people that claim a movie like Anastasia is a disney movie when its really not. or that all 3d animation is from Pixar. that kind of thing.
And also those that dont understand why a 21 year old male could enjoy the little mermaid or beauty and the beast.
I dont insist that one medium is better than the other. hand drawn, tablet drawn, 3d animated, claymation, its all about making good movies.
The one thing I do hate though is motion capture. Just seems so pointless to me. either be animated or live action. don't pretend its animation when its really not.
I'm not a Democrat, but Obama's daughters are truly adorable and the whole family isn't bad looking. When I was a little girl, I wished I had been born black. I still believe that being African-American would match better with my (instead Caucasian in tone) features.
That aside, I'm a rare breed known as "The Obsessed With Characters Nobody Should Care About & Defender of Sequels Snob"! I'm also the lesser rare but still rare breed known as "The '90s - 2004 Disney Channel Series Were Good & Every DC Series After Was Boring as Golf Snob"!
merlinjones wrote:"I Love Walt"! - - Walt was an authentic filmmaker, an artist with a great eye for talent and pleasing aesthetics, a great storyteller, a cartoonist at heart, a kid at heart, a producer with clear point-of-view, a humorist, moralist and a keen observationalist. It's "Walt Disney's films" I crave, not Disney company productions.
Actually, even Walt's films are "Disney company productions" anyway.
"Old Is Better!" - - Well, it's just true.
Not exactly. No need to be so down on all of Disney's later and newer efforts.
"Traditional Animation!" - - Handmade art is eye candy to me in ways that CGI just can never be. Graphic design is exciting. Good drawing and artful expression is passion itself. "The Illusion of Life" is not just about movement.
I know, I know, I've gotten into arguements about this before. But, for some reason, I just can't feel as strongly about non-Disney animated films. I just feel a deep affinity and connection with this magical animation studio.
I have a bit of "Old is Better" and "Traditional Animation is better" followed by a small pint of "Cult" and a lot of "Only Disney."
I will always like the Old Disney more than the detestable tween pop-star Disney. Back when watching the Disney Channel was worth it there was all kinds of awesome shows and movies to watch. I don't watch it now other than the very rare Disney animated movie.
I appreciate traditional animation much more than CGI. As was said earlier, hand-drawn animation has the kind of soul and feel that CGI never has. I also like animation more than live-action. Only the Pixar movies manage to make emotions, but even now I'm starting not to like Pixar as much as I used to. I don't hate or dislike them, but because they're a separate studio that has been taking Disney's spotlight over the years, it makes me feel bitter that Pixar is becoming the new Disney that everyone looks up to and adores just like what people did with the old Disney. I'm not cutting them down, but they are not the only ones with talent.
The biggest category I probably have is "Only Disney." It's not a good thing to be biased, but whenever I watch a non-disney movie I just don't feel that charm that I normally have when watching a Disney movie. As you grow up with something you like, you find that you like that more than the others because its familar to you and you like it. Because I've grown up watching Disney movies, I have become a Disney fan. I also watched non-Disney movies as a kid because I was less biased back then, but now I don't have a lot of care for them. My view on Dremworks has soured for a couple of years now. I'm not saying that Disney is the only one that makes good movies. I've been wanting to try to tame my famdom so it doesn't consume my entertaiment mindset, but when it comes to nostalgia and memories, it's not easy to simply take it off.
On cult, I'm one of the few here that like The Black Cauldron. As far as I know, UD looks like the only place where it receives any love at all. Outside this site, its slandered, ignored, or simply forgotten. I don't think it's the best Disney movie, but it's certainly underrated and underappreciated. It's a shame that the characters, especially the hero, princess, villain, and sidekick, are out in no-man's land.
I have a lot of the "everything." I judge the Disney films on there own and not by the one released next to them.
About the "I Love Walt" snob, there is no denying that he had tremendous talent and creativity in his projects and leadership of the company, but he wasn't God. He was not perfect. However, are we all perfect? No, We all have our flaws and mistakes. Let's judge Walt by what he has done and not his personal life.
