Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs: Diamond Edition (Pt. 2)

[Marky_198]

On top of that the artists at Disney said that they ADJUSTED the colors.

Aside from the fact that artists didn't do the restoration, they "adjusted" the colors to reflect the ORIGINAL release, not what they thought looked good. You are twisting what they said.

Also people involved in the restoration process have said that.

And again, it's not about brightness, it's about color choices.

For some reason the dvd feels like a style/time clash.
It looks way too computer-ish and modern. A computerised 2005 look with modern colors. It doesn't fit.

It looks like a "modernised" film, with a lot of work done by computer, which is true, and it shows. In terms of color and overall look.
Computers like that didn't exist in the 50's.

The "a dream is a wish" scene looks like a cheap sequel.
Big patch of orange hair and fluoride pink lips.

[Marky_198]

This thread is about Snow White aren't we getting off subject here? I guess the linkage is the feared colour or color changes in the upcoming Blu Ray of Snow White?

Yes, we fear the colors of the upcoming Snowwhite release, although it can't get any worse than the previous release.
2000 to 2008 was really the lowest point of restorations/releases in the history of Disney releases. Let's hope the technology to get an image that's close to the original version improves soon.

[Marky_198]

I will wait for the day that they realize that a restoration is not supposed to give the film a "rubbery/plasticky, grey-ish,foundation" look, as if the characters are behind glass, with red cheeks and thick lines.

Like this:

http://www.dvd.nl/images.php?reviewid=371&imageid=4

http://www.dvd.nl/images.php?reviewid=2714&imageid=2

While it should be like this:

http://www.dvd.nl/images.php?reviewid=2714&imageid=1


And I also wait for the day when they realize that restoring a classic is NOT just wiping out dirt and many of the lines and details, and then redraw some of them (Merryweather's face) very thick, and forget to redraw others (end of her sleeve).

2003 dvd

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Blu ray
http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f112/ ... SB/sb1.jpg

[Escapay]

Sometimes I wonder what blind people think of these "The colours are wrong!" and "No, they're not, stop complaining!" debates/arguments.



albert

[Deco King]

Should there be an image of the Witch offering Snow White the Magic Wishing Apple to show what it should look like?
To be honest I can't see what is wrong with this image , however , I can of course see what's wrong with the giant Merryweather shot but it looks like Hanna Barbera not Disney it looks totally ghastly!

[Deco King]

Here are some Snow White related thoughts by my friend Brian Sibley :
http://www.briansibleysblog.blogspot.co ... Snow+White

Brian talks about Pinocchio but also Snow White too. As a Film Historian and Disney expert , Brian has worked extensively for Walt Disney , doing several recordings for the Special Editions of Jungle Book , 101 Dalmatians , Sleeping Beauty Pinocchio, and soon the forthcoming Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs Blu Ray!!

Together with Richard Holliss , he wrote The Disney Story for an English or British publisher and he and Richard Holliss also wrote a Snow White book , which ended being the book contained in the Deluxe Laserdisc Boxset!

He has also wriien the Lord Of The Rings Radio Adaptation for the BBC available on CD , check out : www.briansibley.com.

[CampbellzSoup]

take it to another thread marky for the sole purpose of talking about these petty insignificant differences.

Now lets return to more important things like Deco King wondering everyday when the offical site is going up ;p

[Disney Duster]

While you are correct that colors don't appear the same in Technicolor, you have been fed some very false information about Aurora's hair being green in production cells. One simply needs to take a look at the numerous production cells from the film that are available to know that whoever told you this did not know what they were talking about.

ANDREAS DEJA said her hair was green in cels and they processed it to look gold at the premiere of the restored Sleeping Beauty at the El Capitan!

I searched and searched through the search feature on this forum, and could not find it, but I tell you someone who was at the El Capitan came to this forum and told us! Maybe Netty or Escapay could back me up, but I know it happened.

And anyway, you were the one who agreed the colors of the cels are not what the final film, in Technicolor, should look like! So those Cinderella cels may not be how the colors should look either! In fact, I wonder if that's one of the mistakes of the restoration. They looked at the cels, forgetting they would look different in Technicolor.

Netty, that apple looks freakin' orange!

Marky, I see what ya mean, as I always have, it's unfortunate it's hard for others to see it. Let's see what happens to Snow White this time...

Deco King, don't you think that Snow White image looks kind of
like it has a soft clayish look, especially Snow White? Well anyway, your link to Brian's words doesn't work!

[Escapay]

I searched and searched through the search feature on this forum, and could not find it, but I tell you someone who was at the El Capitan came to this forum and told us! Maybe Netty or Escapay could back me up, but I know it happened.

This one? It doesn't mention colour changes or Andreas Deja though.

Sleeping Beauty at El Capitan

Deco King, don't you think that Snow White image looks kind of
like it has a soft clayish look, especially Snow White? Well anyway, your link to Brian's words doesn't work!

There's an extra "w" in the link. This one should work:

http://www.briansibleysblog.blogspot.co ... Snow+White

BTW, if Marky or a Mod is reading this, could you possibly change the Merryweather Blu-Ray picture to a link, as it's stretching the window and is quite annoying...

albert

[Disney Duster]

No, thank you Escapay, but I searched that thread for the part where Andreas Deja talked about the cels, and it wasn't there, that I found.

It's just that you and Netty were within the thread that I found that information. Or so I think, so I remember.

Thanks for the link to Brian's blog. It's a nice one! Not as much about Snow White as about Pinocchio, Deco, but I'm sure more will come as the Blu-ray comes closer!

[Escapay]

No, thank you Escapay, but I searched that thread for the part where Andreas Deja talked about the cels, and it wasn't there, that I found.

It's just that you and Netty were within the thread that I found that information. Or so I think, so I remember.

Ah, it might've been this one then:

Sleeping Beauty on Blu-Ray: RAH interviews Theo Gluck (link goes to UD discussion, full interview from TheDigitalBits can be found here)

I remember Fflewduur quoting a portion of it later on in Sleeping Beauty DVD AND BLU-RAY Discussion Thread Vol. II

albert

[steven132]

I posted this after seeing a panel at the Academy viewing of Sleeping Beauty before the Bluray/dvd release

This is good news for those worried about the new restoration. At a pannel at the premier of the restoration last night with experts who worked on the film, how they made sure the color matched was they took original cels and layouts from the archives and took color photographs, in technicolor, or something like it, and then compared it to the restoration. They do this because the original cel of Aurora's hair is green so when they were creating the film they did color tests to se what colors would create the gold they were looking for. Also Andreas Deja was part of the restoration, with his passion for the classic films I dont think he would allow them to mess with the film. The expert also mentioned that what I don't understand is the black and white negative as well as the three separate color negatives never fade, so my guess is that they restore mainly the deterioration.

About the aspect ratio change he explained that when processing the film into the computer there was a pretty large section that had been animated and drawn that has never been seen which will now be viewed. The restoration in my opinion was amazing, colors vibrant, and especially the background looked like you were actually seeing the artwork live. One of the most impressive parts was when the fairies shrink into the jewel box, the background almost looks like a photograph it was so clear.

[Just.A.Friend]

Can we move all this color discussion to either another or new thread... please.
I want to hear about the Snow White release, but it seems this thread has turned into a Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty color thread.. DX

[Deco King]

Last week someone posted a HUGE file of the Foreign Language ( Spanish I think although I always though Blancanieves was Spanish for Snow White?? )version of the Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs Blu Ray Cover Art .

Presumably a similar High Resolution Cover Art exists for the US version , could someone with access to it post that on too please?

[Marky_198]

I can of course see what's wrong with the giant Merryweather shot but it looks like Hanna Barbera not Disney it looks totally ghastly!

Well, thank you, that's what I've been trying to say.

This is a screenshot of the oh so praised sleeping beauty "restoration" on Blu Ray.

In my opinion it has NOTHING to do with Disney anymore.

Exact same thing happened to Cinderella, which looks like Hanna Barbera too now.

[Deco King]

I am mightily intrigued by the Snow White Returns sequel mentioned in the contents list for the forthcoming Blu Ray !!

I wonder just what the movie contains? It's described as a featurette , I wonder if it was a later featurette idea, perhaps dating from the 1940's or 1950's or if it dates from the 1930's?

[goofystitch]

Disney Duster wrote:

And anyway, you were the one who agreed the colors of the cels are not what the final film, in Technicolor, should look like! So those Cinderella cels may not be how the colors should look either! In fact, I wonder if that's one of the mistakes of the restoration. They looked at the cels, forgetting they would look different in Technicolor.

Yes, but Les Perkins said that they test the cell colors by filming them using the same methods used when the films were made. That shows the exact way the colors would have appeared and they work to get the restoration to match those colors. It is never going to be 100% perfect, but it is as close as they can get. So I believe them when they say that Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty used bright colors.

And yes, these colors did exist in the 50's. People on here are so ignorant to say that they didn't. They weren't used often, but they were there.

Deco King wrote:

I am mightily intrigued by the Snow White Returns sequel mentioned in the contents list for the forthcoming Blu Ray !!

I wonder just what the movie contains? It's described as a featurette , I wonder if it was a later featurette idea, perhaps dating from the 1940's or 1950's or if it dates from the 1930's?

Is it confirmed that the featurette is about an abandoned sequel? I sort of assumed it was about the legacy of Snow White and how it is returning for a new generation.

[Deco King]

Deco King wrote:

I am mightily intrigued by the Snow White Returns sequel mentioned in the contents list for the forthcoming Blu Ray !!

I wonder just what the movie contains? It's described as a featurette , I wonder if it was a later featurette idea, perhaps dating from the 1940's or 1950's or if it dates from the 1930's?

Is it confirmed that the featurette is about an abandoned sequel? I sort of assumed it was about the legacy of Snow White and how it is returning for a new generation.[/quote]

Yes , it IS confirmed that Snow White Returns was a featurette authorised by Wakt Disney himself , but never put into production , however it is not clear what decade it was due to be released in!

[Disney Duster]

Thank you steven132! That was it Scaps.

so when they were creating the film they did color tests to se what colors would create the gold they were looking for.

I know it's hard to remember, I'm asking just in case, but by any chance did you mean to say what tests, what process, or what photos, instead of what colors, made the green turn gold?

goofystitch, as you can see, it's still rather curious why the cels and restorations we've seen aren't matching up to what we know about Technicolor and the original films and what different people have told us. You may have good reasons to trust those people you recently talked to, but I have good reasons not to trust them yet. And so, for now, that seems all I can say.

Can't wait to see Snow White's new restoration...

[Gabrielkat]

I'm hoping that the original RKO opening and closing titles, which were included as extras on the 2001 Platinum Edition DVD, will be put back into the film on this new Diamond Edition release.