Bye Bye platinums

[The_Iceflash]

every thread in this forum is taken over by people complaining about blu-ray vs. dvd.

it is called technology... it changes, it gets better... deal with it and stop acting like children.

if you don't want to buy blu-ray, then don't, but you don't need to swamp every thread with complaints about how much you hate it and how horrible disney is for promoting it so strongly and how you don't see much of a difference and how it's a waste of money and blah blah...

just get over it. let those who like blu-ray stick with blu-ray and those of you who like dvd can stick with dvd.

it's really not complicated. no wonder this forum is the laughing stock of so many other forums.

Which wouldn't have even happened had you not made your post starting it in this thread. I wasn't saying a word until you made that post. It's not the "anti-Blu-ray" people swamping every thread. It wasn't the "anti-blu-ray" people moaning in the Pete's Dragon thread about there not being a Blu-ray released of it (which happens in any thread here about a release that isn't coming to Blu-ray).

People need to stop obsessing over Blu-ray. It's great to like it but don't be fanboys about it and act like children and rub in/take digs at those who aren't "getting" Blu-ray and do things like pronouncing DVD dead. You have no room to talk about anti-Blu-ray people coming into threads as remarks like the one you made is the reason it keeps happening. Yes this forum is Blu-ray biased. It's sickening how those who prefer DVD are looked down upon and in the clear minority in this forum. (Which is contradictory of real life statistics.) Every thread here brings up Blu-ray in some way or another whether or not it even belongs in the thread (Like with the Pete's Dragon thread which it clearly doesn't.)

Besides, DVD is in no way a bad format. Say what you want about how "EPICALLY AWESOME" Blu-ray is, you can't deny that DVD is a great format.

There's nothing wrong with me choosing not to buy Blu-ray. I get the feeling whenever I'm on here and in these kinds of threads and see certain posts that my choice is wrong and I shouldn't few guilty about not buying Blu-ray. Just because I don't find it practical to be re-buying everything (you guys make it seem like it's something I'm supposed to be doing and think choosing Blu-ray is an obvious no-brainer choice for everyone when it's not. For me the advantages don't out-weigh the practicality. I am happy with the Disney DVDs that I have and they look and great. I take pride in my collection. I'm not supposed to think that because it's not Blu-ray it's no good when there is nothing wrong with my DVDs. I still get blown away by the picture and sound of many of them. Because one gets more blown away when they see the picture and sound on Blu-ray doesn't mean now that the DVD looks bad. The DVD doesn't look bad. The DVD still looks great.

[The_Iceflash]

I'm really getting sick of how Disney is dealing with this Blue-ray issue. When DVD came onto the playing field, it sold itself. Converting from video to DVD was a no brainier. Suddenly you didn't have to re-wind your film, you could watch it in multiple languages off of one unit, it took up a lot less space, theoretically would last one's lifetime, or at least much longer then VHS, plus we were introduced to a new concept: the bonus features. I thought it was the coolest thing ever to include the music videos from the movies and their original trailers.

It is a rather known fact that when ever a new technology first hits the marketplace, becuase it will be rather pricey at first, it will be wealthy people who will buy it first. Once enough of those have bought it, the price normally goes down and then everyone gets in on the action. DVD was such a hit that it did not take long for it to have it's price drop down a lot, and thus it flourished even more.

Now we come to Blue-ray. The real genesis behind it was that suddenly there was a drop in DVD sales and it wasn't making the millions that the studios had come to expect from it. Hollywood studios are all about one thing: making money and lots of it. Their basic formula for making said money is to constantly be pushing the newest thing. They don't normally stick with things very long, especially if it starts to not make them the kind of money the expect to make.

So, we end up with Blue-ray (after the HD DVD battle anyway). However, the issue is that despite the enthusiasm of the various fan boys who seem to have more dollars then sense, Blue-ray is NOT catching on the same way that DVD did. Why could this be?

Maybe it's becuase your average Blue-ray film cost $10 to $20 more then your average DVD? Maybe becuase you can get a DVD player for as little as $30-40 easy, where as a Blue-ray player will put you back at least a few hundred? Maybe it's becuase so many people have spent SO MUCH money on their DVD collection already, that the idea of re-buying all of those films AGAIN just leaves a sour taste in one's mouth? Maybe it's becuase the economy of this country and even World has not been this bad since the 1930's? When you have no job and three kids that you have to feed, what movie you should buy is the last thing on your mind. Maybe it's becuase the only serious advantage to Blue-ray is "better" picture and sound? Humm, that's SO important, I mean, what will I do with my life without being able to see Johnny Depp's pimple in "Pirates of the Caribbean?"

So, what is especially Disney's answer to the issue that their new pet format isn't catching on? Why FORCE their customers of course! "If people will not buy our new format, will just stop making the old one completely or pretend that it does not exist any more at the very least!" That's how Walt would have done it, right?

It is frankly stupid greedy thinking like this that got us into the economic mess we are in now in the first place. It seems some people never learn.

Blu-ray is catching on. The evidence is there. How many times am I going to have to say that the adoption rate is twice that of DVD!?

I get your reasons as to why people adopted DVD in the first place, but that's beside the point. It's also obvious that DVD will still be around in 5 years.

In other words, for now, we can only repeat ourselves on this issue.

How many times to I have to keep saying and showing that having twice the adoption rate is meaningless? The PS3 had twice the adoption rate of the PS2 (which you know had epically large sales in the end) and many predicted as a result that the PS3 would come out victor in the console way as the PS2 did last time. Right now PS3 is in third place with no sign of being able to pass the other two (it's not even close to 1st place). The PS2 arguably helped contribute to the adoption of DVD and many (including many I know personally) used their PS2 as their DVD player and thus it helped get it's enormous sales total. Sony hoped to do the same thing with the PS3. Right now the PS3 isn't doing nearly as good as the PS2 and is like I said third place in the Console Wars. Basically because PS3 has has twice the adoption rate don't mean anything. Same with Blu-ray.

[2099net]

Iceflash, the complaints about films such as Pete's Dragon not coming to Blu-ray are perfectly reasonable. Nobody has to rebuy any film on Blu-ray if they don't want to, so double-dipping is not mandatory. But it is a sin apparently you feel is stupid - even though I never once see you being equally dismissive of those wishing to double-dip on the DVDs! Surely, a practice even more stupid? Why do a new DVD at all when people could, until recently, still buy the old one?

As for you point on the PS2/PS3 its sort of the point. The PS3 is doing worse than the other consoles (in North America at least) despite selling more, in part exactly down to the success of the PS2. The PS2 opened up the market, which Sony is now finding hard impossible to monopolise as it did in the last generation.

Just like DVD opened up the market for home video. People keep saying nobody wants Blu-ray, but its succeeded in outselling DVD (at this point in its lifetime) despite 2/3rds of that lifetime being in a "war" with HD DVD.

The above example shows how the marketplace has changed since 1998. Blu-ray is not only had to compete with HD DVD, but also still has to compete with DVD, downloads and TV-on-demand - media delivery options either entirely absent or embryotic when DVD was introduced. Yet, it's still managed to outclass DVDs introduction, and currently seems to be building momentum at an incredible rate.

The Sony PS3 example shows how nothing is certain, especially when new competitors are also introduced to the market.

While you choose to use it to illustrate how new technology can "fail", it can also be used to show how monopolies can also topple - meaning that in the next 5 years or so, DVD's market share could indeed fall until it is the minority format compared to the others. After all, DVD is still competing with downloads and on-demand, options not really available in its peak years,

[The_Iceflash]

Iceflash, the complaints about films such as Pete's Dragon not coming to Blu-ray are perfectly reasonable. Nobody has to rebuy any film on Blu-ray if they don't want to, so double-dipping is not mandatory. But it is a sin apparently you feel is stupid - even though I never once see you being equally dismissive of those wishing to double-dip on the DVDs! Surely, a practice even more stupid?

I'm not against double dipping. The only DVDs I'd ever double dip are ones in which original aspect ratios are restored, etc. Other than that I don't see it as necessary. Even then it may or may not be worth it to everyone. Same with Blu-ray. Some see double-dipping for Blu-ray worth it and others don't. There's absolutely nothing wrong with either case. The issue I'm having (although a personal one) is that I don't want to think of my collection as a bad one because of it not being on Blu-ray. I never thought of my collection as bad before and I don't want to start thinking of it as such now. Some here are seeing DVD as bad and I don't understand why..

I also don't find complaints Pete's Dragon not coming to Blu-ray reasonable because you don't see Mary Poppins, Pollyanna, The Love Bug, Bedknobs and Broomsticks, etc coming to Blu-ray at this moment so why would Disney randomly give Pete's Dragon a Blu-ray release? They aren't going to re-release Mary Poppins only on DVD and then some months later bring Pete's Dragon to Blu-ray. It just doesn't make sense that they'd do it like that so why would it be reasonable to complain about it?

EDIT: I was using the PS2/PS3 to show that anything could happen and that it's pre-mature to call DVD dead, etc because anything could happen. The debate in this thread began over that issue. I agree that it also shows that monopolies can and do fall and the near future. The near future is going to be very interesting.

[KubrickFan]

I also don't find complaints Pete's Dragon not coming to Blu-ray reasonable because you don't see Mary Poppins, Pollyanna, The Love Bug, Bedknobs and Broomsticks, etc coming to Blu-ray at this moment so why would Disney randomly give Pete's Dragon a Blu-ray release? They aren't going to re-release Mary Poppins only on DVD and then some months later bring Pete's Dragon to Blu-ray. It just doesn't make sense that they'd do it like that so why would it be reasonable to complain about it?

Let me give an example. If suddenly a new version of Pete's Dragon would be released, only on Blu-Ray, would you be happy? Wouldn't you complain? It's the same deal with people who very much want those titles on Blu-Ray.

As for the people who think it went from VHS to DVD, there were a couple of steps in between. Laserdisc was one, for example, and the step between that format and DVD isn't big at all.
Also Blu-Ray isn't just about " 'better' picture and sound", it actually is way more than that.

[ajmrowland]

I also don't find complaints Pete's Dragon not coming to Blu-ray reasonable because you don't see Mary Poppins, Pollyanna, The Love Bug, Bedknobs and Broomsticks, etc coming to Blu-ray at this moment so why would Disney randomly give Pete's Dragon a Blu-ray release? They aren't going to re-release Mary Poppins only on DVD and then some months later bring Pete's Dragon to Blu-ray. It just doesn't make sense that they'd do it like that so why would it be reasonable to complain about it?

Let me give an example. If suddenly a new version of Pete's Dragon would be released, only on Blu-Ray, would you be happy? Wouldn't you complain? It's the same deal with people who very much want those titles on Blu-Ray.

In Flash's defense, I bring us back to the point that DVDs can play in blu-ray players, while blu-rays cannot play in DVD players. Likewise, not every blu-ray owner would buy the DVD, but it being released now would be a red flag to some of us, and I'm one who wouldn't mind not having an upgrade, if that's what you mean.

[milojthatch]

Ok, fine, then let's add some hard data and source to the mix.

According to a Feb. 2008 article found in Video Business, it reads:

"High-definition software sales are trailing standard-definition by half in the formats’ first two years on the market, according to Adams Media Research.

High-def discs, introduced in 2006, sold 8.3 million units by the end of 2007. That compares to 16.3 million units for standard-definition in their first two years at retail, according to Adams. No such gap exists in hardware, where high-def DVD players are on about the same sales pace as were standard DVD set-tops. Due to holiday retail price wars, high-def set-tops even spiked well above standard DVD players in the last weeks of 2007.

However, studios see high-def saddled with some adoption disadvantages that standard DVD avoided.

By standard DVD’s year two in 1998, there were nearly 100 million TV households ready to plug in players, according to Nielsen Media Research. In contrast, just 26.5 million households in 2007 had the required high-def TV set for Blu-ray or HD DVD hardware, according to DisplaySearch."

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6532685.html


I ask you this simple question as well, how many time are YOU willing to re-buy a movie? Will you be willing to pay more money for the Blue-ray replacement? How about the thing that re-places that? When does it end? And you all know in ten years or so, Blue-ray will be replaced as well and so on and so forth. When will something ever be good enough?

I understand about technology always moving forward, but the fundamental flaw with it these days is that once upon a time is was more fueled by need, now it seems it is more fueled by want.

Fact is that this new format is slowing being forced upon us the consumers. This isn't just an issue of what kind of format do I watch my movies on? Rather, is a huge example of failed techniques in the business world that need to end yesterday. Let consumers dictate the market, not the other way around!

[Flanger-Hanger]

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2713

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2702

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2698

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2689

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2657

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2595

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=2591

It's convenient to use 15 month old news isn't it?

[ajmrowland]

I know an old lady who bought a player. Her old DVD player broke, but she just a new tv for christmas, anyway.

[SpringHeelJack]

I know an old lady who bought a player.

I know an old lady who swallowed a fly. I don't know why she swallowed the fly.

...Perhaps she'll die.

*EDIT* Wow, I just got back from her house and you would not BELIEVE what's happened since then.

[Flanger-Hanger]

I know an old lady who bought a player.

I know an old lady who swallowed a fly. I don't know why she swallowed the fly.

...Perhaps she'll die.

*EDIT* Wow, I just got back from her house and you would not BELIEVE what's happened since then.

I nominate this and pretty much anything this guy has said this year for the quote of the year award.

[ajmrowland]

Yeah, its funny.

What I said is true, though.

[disneyboy20022]

I know an old lady who swallowed a fly. I don't know why she swallowed the fly.

...Perhaps she'll die.

*EDIT* Wow, I just got back from her house and you would not BELIEVE what's happened since then.

I nominate this and pretty much anything this guy has said this year for the quote of the year award.

I second the nomination....Do I Hear Escapay for a third?

But Did the Old Lady buy a DVD Player or Snoop Dog

[2099net]

Ok, fine, then let's add some hard data and source to the mix.

According to a Feb. 2008 article found in Video Business, it reads:

"High-definition software sales are trailing standard-definition by half in the formats’ first two years on the market, according to Adams Media Research.

High-def discs, introduced in 2006, sold 8.3 million units by the end of 2007. That compares to 16.3 million units for standard-definition in their first two years at retail, according to Adams. No such gap exists in hardware, where high-def DVD players are on about the same sales pace as were standard DVD set-tops. Due to holiday retail price wars, high-def set-tops even spiked well above standard DVD players in the last weeks of 2007.

However, studios see high-def saddled with some adoption disadvantages that standard DVD avoided.

By standard DVD’s year two in 1998, there were nearly 100 million TV households ready to plug in players, according to Nielsen Media Research. In contrast, just 26.5 million households in 2007 had the required high-def TV set for Blu-ray or HD DVD hardware, according to DisplaySearch."

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6532685.html


I ask you this simple question as well, how many time are YOU willing to re-buy a movie?

Last I looked 2007 the format war was still in progress and we're in 2009 now. Momentum has grown since HD DVD died. Doesn't the fact that Blu-ray has done so well - despite not every household having a HDTV show even more how successful it is as a format?

Let's look at something relating to the upcoming CES show this year
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28581484

Blu-ray is showing a faster adoption rate than the DVD, the CD, high-definition TV sets and several other common household technologies. At the end of last year, 2 1/2 years after they first became available, there were 10.7 million Blu-ray-capable players in U.S., according to research firm DisplaySearch. Three years after the DVD launched in the 90s, there were 5.4 million DVD players.

But the 10.7 million Blu-ray players includes more than 6 million Sony PlayStation 3 game consoles, bought mainly for gaming. With those taken out of the comparison, sales of standalone Blu-ray players are similar to those of DVD players at the same point.

Sol depending on your view, Blu-ray is either doing substantially better then DVD or about the same as DVD (although even in these figures, Blu-ray has a 6 month lead). However, unlike DVD's first few years, Blu-ray has had to fight the following factors;

* Not all households have a HDTV
* A rival High-Definition format
* Introduction of High-Definition downloads
* More TV on Demand from cable and satellite services

No matter how you view it, in no way can Blu-ray be described as the failrure so many on here insist it is. Once again I wonder how many people who claim Blu-ray is a failure can remember the early years of DVD to make a comparison.

Blu-ray Disc sales share to double by year-end
Format will account for 61% of best-selling titles by 2012
http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6589049.html

This article from Q3 2008 seems to be accurate with their end-of-year projections - "As much as 12% of the sales of best-selling U.S. movie and TV titles will be Blu-ray by the end of the year, Futuresource said in the report released today" which was correct - the Dark Knight for example was 13% of sales. Now, mid-2009 Blu-ray average sales over all releases are 15% of DVDs, incredible when you still consider how many DVDs are released each month without Blu-ray equivalents (such as the majority of TV on DVD). Those "best-selling movie and TV titles" must be selling well over 12% in Blu-ray today.

As for rebuying films, who said you had to rebuy a film again? DVDs work on Blu-ray players and (assuming you have a non-upscaling DVD player) will actually be improved on your Blu-ray player/HD monitor - OK it may not benefit you now, but you know in the next five to ten years almost everyone will have HD displays. There's nothing wrong with looking to the future.

No one is forcing anyone to buy any movie again. If you're argument is Blu-rays are being re-released with extra supplements doesn't that mean that were the supplements on a DVD re-release you would be "forced" to buy that movie again on DVD?

I know Disney is skimping out on DVD supplements recently, but they're not exactly rolling out the red carpet on the majority of their Blu-ray releases either - look at Bolt, Meet the Robinsons, Nightmare Before Christmas or Beverly Hills Chihuahua. They may "nominally" have more extras, but nothing really worth worrying about. Nothing worth rebuying if you don't care about the basic inherent audio/visual upgrade to the feature.

I know DVD buyers are frustrated by Disney's apparent lack of interest in their DVD releases, but some Blu-ray owners are just as frustrated by Disney not making the most of Blu-ray storage and technology on the bulk of their Blu-ray releases.

As for Snow White's case which is more or less what this thread is about, my guess is most people here will be re-buying the movie again - be it on DVD or Blu-ray. Now you tell me which makes the most economic and practical sense - buying a DVD of a movie you already own on DVD, or buying a Blu-ray of a DVD you already own which features improved visual and audio quality, improved interaction and supplements and the same movie on DVD as well? Who's the bigger fools? Those sticking to DVD? Or those buying the Blu-ray?

[milojthatch]

PC Magazine really sums it up:

Research Group NPD this week released a study tracking the sale of Blu-ray sales in the U.S., which show that the next-generation technology is gaining some traction.

According to the numbers, players have risen some 72-percent over the same period in 2008. The report also found that consumer awareness of the format is at an all time high of 92 percent.

While the drop in Blu-ray players has been a factor in their increase in sales (the average price of a player dropped from $393 to $261), the study found that many of the consumers surveyed still find them too expensive. Other consumers said that they are satisfied with their standard definition DVD players.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,23 ... X1K0001121


Yes, since HD DVD was defeated, Blue-ray has been selling more, this is true. However the fact remains that as of right now, DVD sales still accounted for more of the studios profit then Blue-ray. For Disney to stop selling DVD all together, should they get to this point sometimes soon as they seem to be threatening to do, would be a mistake. Could this change and Blue-ray fully replace DVD? Sure, but it has not yet passed that threshold. Your average consumer (as in not counting fan boys or tech geeks) still see the blue-ray players as too pricey or are still happy with their good old fashioned DVD.

The problem with many of these technology trade shows is they are all about pushing the "new" tech onto the public, so they sometimes hid truths and try to sell themselves off to the general public and hope it catches on.

By the way, I noticed that no one defending Blue-ray answered my question, how many times are you willing to re-buy old movies? You willing to dump Blue-ray and re-buy all your old films in ten years? And then dump that format after that and once again re-buy your films all over again? How much money to you have to re-buy something like "Snow White" or "Spider-Man?"

[2099net]

The sales figures taken are from NPD (hardware) and Videoscan (discs) - they're not made up, but independently collected and verified. The figures speak for themselves in my mind.

Disney is not threatening to stop releasing DVDs. As you point out it would be commercial suicide for them to do so. I'm not sure where this comes from, but many people seem to fear this. It's just inconceivable that they would. In fact I doubt Blu-ray will "kill" DVD at all. As for Snow White's early release, they did the same in 2001 (again, approx three years after the format was introduced) and continued to release DVDs and VHS titles until 2005 IIRC - wasn't Bambi the first Platinum with no corresponding VHS.

As I say, I doubt the same will happen with DVD or if it does, I don't expect it to be so soon. DVD vastly outsold VHS sales in the US where VHS sales were never as popular as in Europe. Blu-ray has a steeper hill to climb than DVD did as a result.

However, its not unreasonable looking at the figures to suppose Blu-ray will gain the majority share of sales soon. You know, 15% of sales today, combined with Blu-ray's rapid growth shows it could happen before 2012. But as always, its only speculation and prediction. The future is always an unwritten book.

As for rebuying films - again I don't understand this obsession those against Blu-ray have regarding rebuying films. Your DVDs still work. It's not like going from VHS to DVD. As for Blu-ray rebuy a film if you want to; you weigh up the cost, the improvements be they audio/video or supplemental and you make a decision. I've repurchased films on Blu-ray I'm more than happy to have bought, and some I'm not so happy to have bought. That's life. I've bought DVDs, Books and items of clothing I wasn't happy with in the long run. But nobody forced me to. I'm beyond happy with my Blu-ray releases of Sleeping Beauty and Pinocchio so I'll willingly buy Snow White on Blu-ray (especially as its likely to be only £16 or less in the UK if you shop around)

Personally, I'll happily rebuy a film as many times as I feel its worth it. I don't really know what else to say. There is no definitive answer is there?

How many people with only DVD will be happy to rebuy the Diamond Edition of Snow White on DVD? Why is that different? Are you saying they'll be foolish to do so? How can anyone apart from the person spending the money decide if the choice is right or wrong for them?

[David S.]

Disney is not threatening to stop releasing DVDs. As you point out it would be commercial suicide for them to do so. I'm not sure where this comes from, but many people seem to fear this. It's just inconceivable that they would. In fact I doubt Blu-ray will "kill" DVD at all. As for Snow White's early release, they did the same in 2001 (again, approx three years after the format was introduced) and continued to release DVDs and VHS titles until 2005 IIRC - wasn't Bambi the first Platinum with no corresponding VHS.

Good points. I know I've come across as anti BD, and I really am not against people who are into HD being able to buy and enjoy the format. Although the 7 week delay with SW is annoying, you are correct in that it parralels the past.

What really annoys me about how they are handling SW is, they are ALSO packaging SW's combo pack as a DVD release, even though it doesn't have Disc 2 on DVD. This will undoubtedly be packaged in the DVD section, and many DVD fans (who don't keep up with things like those of us on this site) will buy it NOT because they are saying they would rather get a BD for the future (if they ever get BD) than to have the bonus features NOW, but because they will think Disney has stopped making 2-Disc DVD sets for their high-profile Platinum, er, Diamond releases.

Somehow I doubt there will be signage in the stores letting people know a 2-Disc DVD is coming in seven weeks, or that salespeople (if they even know about it) will be pointing it out left and right to everyone about to purchase the "combo pack" labeled "DVD" - that if they wait 7 weeks they can get a version with bonus features on DVD without having to buy a new player AND possibly a new TV (because remember, BD will NOT fill a 4:3 TV with 4:3 material).

There will be tons of people who will feel cheated when the 2 disc DVD comes out, because that's what they WOULD have bought on release week had it been available, or they would have waited for it if they knew it was coming. Thank God I read UD!

If you want percentage of BD sales to increase, it's very easy to get the desired results by manipulating the outcome like this.

And then, if the combo pack outsells the 2-Disc DVD, (which they are clearly manipulating the release in hopes that it will) their next strategy may try to be eliminating 2 Disc DVDs altogether, even though, like Pinocchio, the 2-Disc DVD of SW WOULD also outsell the combo pack IF they were released on the same week and ESPECIALLY if some of the combo packs were not going to be masquerading as "DVD" releases.

At any rate, while a shrewd move by Disney, their strategy with SW can in no conceivable way, shape, or form be considered "consumer friendly" for those who are happily sticking with DVD, especially those who LOVE 2-Disc sets and have no plans of getting BD.

Like I said, I have NOTHING against BD fans OR the format in and of itself. But, everytime Disney pulls another stunt like this, it actually makes me MORE determined to stick with DVD, because, like Luke said in the Pinocchio review, I hate companies trying to manipulate me or "hard sell" me into upgrading from something I am already happy with, especially if this is done at the expense of the original product I've been a long, loyal supporter of.

PS. If the day ever comes where Disney discontinues 2-Disc sets except on BD, that is the day I stop buying and get friends to "rip" things for me, or give my money to bootleggers instead.

[thesnakeguy]

By the way, I noticed that no one defending Blue-ray answered my question, how many times are you willing to re-buy old movies?

Not that many. Which is why I don't like it when they release a movie in DVD and not Blu-Ray. Release it both and so I will be willing to buy it now instead of holding off waiting for the version I want and think will eventually get released. Why are so many DVD people complaining. You are getting your DVD's. The People who own Blu-Ray's are the ones not getting the content they prefer.

[tntkain1]

[quote
By the way, I noticed that no one defending Blue-ray answered my question, how many times are you willing to re-buy old movies? You willing to dump Blue-ray and re-buy all your old films in ten years? And then dump that format after that and once again re-buy your films all over again? How much money to you have to re-buy something like "Snow White" or "Spider-Man?"[/quote]
I am new and am a complete blu-ray supporter. I will buy every movie on blu-ray. I don't have to re-buy them because I never wasted my money on dvd. It was not a good enough format in my opinion. Laserdiscs are what got my spoiled and afeter watching them, dvd never compared in my opinion. And the thing with blu-ray is, you don't "have" to re-buy anything. Your dvd's that you treasure will still work in your blu-ray player

[tntkain1]

[quote
PS. If the day ever comes where Disney discontinues 2-Disc sets except on BD, that is the day I stop buying and get friends to "rip" things for me, or give my money to bootleggers instead.quote]


Which is exactly why the movie studios are pushing for blu-ray, to keep people from stealing their movies