Make Mine Music comes to Region 2!!

[SegaGary]

Sounds like the perfect trade, hehe

Gary

[Pluto Region1]

I come back to this thread from time to time. I'm so glad someone posted the U-Tube Link - just watched it. I haven't ordered the R2 version from Axel yet, but the price is not unreasonable at all. I know exchange rates can change, but today (11/21/07) the price at Axel = $23.84 for anyone who needs to know. I have no idea what they will charge for the shipping.

I have recently received scads of old mint condition (some in shrinkwrap) Disney VHS tapes from my mom, but unfortunately this was not one of them. I wonder if the Martins & McCoys was on the old USA VHS release?

[Escapay]

I wonder if the Martins & Coys [sic] was on the old USA VHS release?

Sadly, it isn't. The first and only VHS release was concurrent with its Gold Classic Collection DVD release, way back in June 2000, and was the same edited version.

Scaps

[Pluto Region1]

I wonder if the Martins & Coys [sic] was on the old USA VHS release?

Sadly, it isn't. The first and only VHS release was concurrent with its Gold Classic Collection DVD release, way back in June 2000, and was the same edited version.

Scaps

Thanks Scaps, so that closes the door on the possibility of my mom running across an uncut VHS tape - I guess I will have to buy the European version.

Does anyone know if Disney ever issued an official explanation for cutting the cartoon? I'm still trying to figure out what it might be.... I am thinking they are worried about offending people who live in the Appalachian area- I don't know if the violence is really the issue.

I listen to the Mousepod, a podcast, and recently the host, Jesse, (who also ended up buying the Region 2 version after I pointed him over to this thread) said there is an even more violent cartoon currently being shown on Toon Disney, which seems to be the same theme as this. Unfortunately, I threw out my notes from the podcast, so I don't remember the details. But he says it is as violent and has potty humor etc. So I'm thinking Disney's objection may really be about regional stereotypes and being afraid of offending people who live in the mountains.

Recently, I watched a documentary that says plenty of people still live in those mountains and far from the comforts of civilization. These same people presumably would never have computers or DVD players and likely would never see the cartoon. After all, you have to see it in order to get offended. But what they hey - some academic would probably lead the charge for them!

[rafiki]

after waiting farrrrrrrrrr too long for a UK version i've bit the bullet and ordered it from axelmusic, i hope it is as good as most of you say

which leaves me with only 101 dalmatians to get, very happy now i must say

i've spent a fortune (fantasia and 2000 were £120 for the pair for example). but it'll be worth it when i can post a pic of all 46 classics (plus the wild which i got for 4 quid on ebay)

[Jeffel]

It is fine, so long as you don't mind the fact that the spine doesn't exactly match the UK Disney DVDs, but even that's barely noticable at a glance.

I'm just looking for The Aristocats, 101 Dalmations, and Fantasia now, then I'll be happy, but I already have the first two on VHS. Stupid eBay and its ridiculously high Fantasia prices.

[Jules]

The only thing that annoys me with the Scandinavian Make Mine Music is that it's practically unwatchable on my PC as the animation leaves trails. I've found out that every DVD frame does not correspond to every film frame. Some film frames are merged onto one DVD frame, for example. I don't understand why it looks horrible on the PC, and fine on the living room DVD player. Can some technical wizard explain this to me, please?

[ichabod]

NTSC

Whereas PAL transfers show each frame 1 by 1, NTSC merges certain frames.

The Scandinavian DVD rather than having a correct PAL transfer from the original film, is a cheapo transfer done from an NTSC print (probably suggesting the Scandinavian DVD is using an NTSC video print) converted in turn to a PAL print.

This "round the houses" approach does usually look quite bad (Warner are notorious for cheaping out on R2 releases by producing NTSC > PAL prints, particularly on animation).

I don't own the release there may be other issues as well such as an interlaced transfer.

Also Computer monitors / flat screen / plasma screens etc are less forgiving with these picture problems than standard tube TVs.

Interestingly enough, no one has posted any screen caps of the DVD yet. Would anyone oblige?

[Jules]

Interestingly enough, no one has posted any screen caps of the DVD yet. Would anyone oblige?

It won't look good. If I try I keep getting two frames at a time. Literally.

By the way iccy, shouldn't we feel cheated that BV acted this way on the Region 2 release of MMM?* We only have two choices when it comes to getting the film. A) Get it in NTSC with no video problems but you're missing The Martins and the Coys. B) Get it in Region 2 in all its entirety but it's practically unwatchable on LCD TVs.

Nowadays I watch almost all my DVDs on my PC as the LCD monitor produces a picture undeniably better (with more depth, definition and warmth) than the standard CRT TV. (Only problem is I have to listen to my films over tinny PC speakers, but maybe I'll get some high quality stuff someday). The fact remains, though, that MMM is totally unwatchable on my PC. Please believe me. I'm telling the truth!

Harumph.

*UDers brace yourselves for a flood of curse words (or flying pigs).

[ichabod]

It won't look good. If I try I keep getting two frames at a time. Literally.

Still, they'd be interesting to see, regardless. It may shed more light on whether it's a video source or not.

By the way iccy, shouldn't we feel cheated that BV acted this way on the Region 2 release of MMM?*

Depends, I can't really think why Disney would choose to put out a Disney with a bad NTSC > PAL transfer. Perhaps it is an indication that given the low key nature of the film the expense was not felt necessary. And of course we can always just blame BVHE US and "The board" for being nazis as is custom in these situations.

We only have two choices when it comes to getting the film. A) Get it in NTSC with no video problems but you're missing The Martins and the Coys. B) Get it in Region 2 in all its entirety but it's practically unwatchable on LCD TVs.

Well there's always C) Buy the unedited UK VHS (like me) and transfer it to DVD

[Jules]

[quote="ichabod"Well there's always C) Buy the unedited UK VHS (like me) and transfer it to DVD [/quote]

But wouldn't a VHS transfer look even worse than the NTSC > PAL DVD we currently have? I doubt even the most hi-end state-of-the-art video recorder can deliver video as crisp as DVD. For one thing, I don't think VHS even supports RGB signals through scart, though I may be wrong. Can you correct me, you internet troll?

[Billy Moon]

True, it is next to impossible to get a decent still image out of the DVD, but i wouldn't say it's unwatchable. I have an LCD projector and the film looks fine on it. Not great by any means, but watchable. If you use interlaced picture instead of progressive, it helps a little.

[Anders M Olsson]

The only thing that annoys me with the Scandinavian Make Mine Music is that it's practically unwatchable on my PC as the animation leaves trails. I've found out that every DVD frame does not correspond to every film frame. Some film frames are merged onto one DVD frame, for example. I don't understand why it looks horrible on the PC, and fine on the living room DVD player. Can some technical wizard explain this to me, please?

Which DVD-player software do you use on your PC?

Take a look in the configurations menu and find the different options for de-interlacing. It's probably set to "weave" now. Try switching it over to "bob" instead.

[Jules]

Which DVD-player software do you use on your PC?

Take a look in the configurations menu and find the different options for de-interlacing. It's probably set to "weave" now. Try switching it over to "bob" instead.

I have an extremely simple version PowerDVD. It's basically a stripped down version of the software, as it came default with my computer. I'm afraid there are no such options of the sort you mentioned on my version. It's so crappy it doesn't even provide Dolby Digital 5.1 ... it can only downmix it to 2.0.

However, I do remember options like "force bob" and "force weave" on an old PowerDVD (full version) that I had on my old PC.

Would changing to "bob" make all the difference?

[marlan]

Interestingly enough, no one has posted any screen caps of the DVD yet. Would anyone oblige?

I bought my copy of the Scandinavian release of Make Mine Music today in Helsinki at a residual sale for € 5.90. I own the U.S. disc already and just wanted to see how the video actually looks like and what happens in the missing segment.

This disc is indeed an NTSC→PAL transfer (24 fps), and this is how "The Martins and the Coys" looks — devastating, I would say:





I think I will write a complaint letter to Buena Vista.

[akhenaten]

where can i buy this online for cheap? i only need this and fun & fancy free to complete my list for now.

thanks.

[drfsupercenter]

But wouldn't a VHS transfer look even worse than the NTSC > PAL DVD we currently have? I doubt even the most hi-end state-of-the-art video recorder can deliver video as crisp as DVD. For one thing, I don't think VHS even supports RGB signals through scart, though I may be wrong. Can you correct me, you internet troll?

Depends. First off, why use SCART cables or whatever? Here in America they have RCA cables... and that's what all VCRs use.

A brand-new unopened VHS can indeed look as good as a DVD can (Especially a cheaply made DVD like that Scandanavian "telecined" release)... I tried it with the Sailor Moon movies, and my friend remarked that he wouldn't know I took it from VHS had I not told him.

But AFAIK, there's no unedited VHS? Or is there?

[ichabod]

But AFAIK, there's no unedited VHS? Or is there?

Yes there is a rare UK VHS released in the 1980s that has the unedited version.