Toy Story 3

[bean:therio]

During last weeks press conference Steve Jobs hinted at some kind 'veto' that Pixar has on any sequel made from a Pixar-movie. Here's a quote from an article on SFGate.com:

Jobs said it is unlikely Pixar would ever agree to make a sequel of the five films co-produced by Disney and said he would not want to see Disney exercise its right to make sequels on its own.

See http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... ST0360.DTL for the full article.

This makes it very doubtfull wether TS3 will ever become a reality.

[AwallaceUNC]

I took that to mean that Pixar wouldn't likely give it their blessing, but that it wouldn't really be up to them. Might be wrong though, that's just what I thought it was saying.

-Aaron

[Stitch_the_blue_dude]

I wish they'd just stop toy story besides the other two are in the Vault

[Prince Phillip]

Pixar seems to be becoming very disney-esc (or however it's spelled) with their sequel fever. TS3, is not the only Pixar sequel idea I've heard being thrown around, I also heard something about a Finding Nemo 2 as well as a Monsters INC. 2, and I just don't think that sequels are neccessary, I don't really remeber Monsters INC, so I won't comment on that, but Finding Nemo's story was told in the first one, and there is no reason that there should be another one, except for the fact that it was such a financial success and they hope to cash in on it. I feel the same way about TS3. I think it should just stop where it is, and it looks like for now that will be the case... FOR NOW...

[MickeyMousePal]

STOP don't make Toy Story 3.
It will be horrible like all sequels.
Disney don't go their only make it if Pixar joins in.

[Disney Guru]

Yeah it will probablly be a very stuped movie if it does get released on video. I think that it is really bad that Disney wants to do a sequel without PIXAR. It is going to be the worst movie ever if it is made without PIXAR's help!

[Loomis]

If this comes about, and without the help of Pixar, it will be very interesting to see a solely-Disney take on Toy Story. The disadvantage is, if the sequel sucks (as they sometimes tend to do), it might get blamed on Pixar's absence... and that might not be the real case.

-Aaron

Yeah. I mean, non-Disney studios have made sequels to other studio's films, and some have been the better for it. Help me out here....I know. Terminator 2! Many would argue that Fox really picked up the ball and ran with it on T2....

It would be a shame if Pixar were not involved in the future of Toy Story (I just watched TS 2 the other night, as it screened here on our free-to-air TV, and it is such a wonderful movie). But if the voice talent came back, and you had a good team working on the production, I can't see why it wouldn't be a good film. The only problem would be writing a good story that had the feel of the first two, but was much grander and epic in true trilogy style. As 2099 pointed out, some thought has already gone into this...

I have no objections to a Disney Toy Story, or any other company doing it, so long as it is done with the same care and respect given to the original.

[Chernabog]

I think that it is really bad that Disney wants to do a sequel without PIXAR. It is going to be the worst movie ever if it is made without PIXAR's help!

OK, also I don´t want to see a Toy Story 3 - I think 2 is more than enough, but I can´t understand why it must me a "stupied" film just becasue Disney maybe wants to do it without Pixar?
Can you explain this to me - why are you so sure that this will be a bad film (if it ever will be done - which I hope not )?

[Rebel]

There is nothing inherently wrong with sequels.

I would like to see Toy Story 3 as a full feature film done by John Lasseter and his team at Pixar. I know it would be good.

However, if Disney were to do it without Pixar then all bets are off. Especially if Disney did it as a direct to video release. We all know that Disney is capable of making excellent quality movies, but based on recent years, obviously there is no guarantee that they will always utilize that ability.

Also, although Disney apparently has the rights to make a Toy Story 3 without approval from Pixar, I do not believe that Pixar would be required to provide Disney with access to all of the Toy Story 3D models, textures, backgrounds, etc that have already been created. So if Pixar did not want the sequel, Disney would most likely have to start from scratch. Considering the complexity of 3D models and Disney's relatively inexperience in that arena, it would be rather difficult and likely expensive for them to try to duplicate the look and feel and quality of the previous movies.

Last but not least is the issue of the voice talent. If Pixar did Toy Story 3, they could probably get back most, if not all, of the previous actors because everyone would know that it was going to be good and the previous movies with Pixar were such a positive experience. However, Disney doing it without Pixar would have more difficulty drawing the actors back. Disney sequels already tend to have a bad name and a Disney sequel to Pixar would certainly generate a lot of negative skepticism in the media and among fans. The big name actors are not going to line up to be a part of a movie that gets bad reviews before it is even being made.

Without the same voice talent and without the previous 3D models, the movie would not fit as well with the previous movies. Since the previous movies were so good, this would be bad for the new movie.

Thus I would be surprised if Disney chose to make a Toy Story 3 without Pixar because I hope that they are not that dumb, but unfortunately I am not fully convinced. After all, they made Teacher's Pet.

Anyway, my hope is that the upcoming stockholder meeting helps facilitate a speedy removal of Eisner and some other changes in the board that will lead to Disney re-opening negotiations with Pixar. Then Pixar can make a Toy Story 3 that we will all love and cherish.

[2099net]

Rebel, the models for Toy Story 2 were redesigned from TS1, so in theory Disney or Pixar would be creating new models. Granted Pixar may have more experience, but Disney seems pretty positive on their Rapunzel models (Keane repeatedly critisises Princess Fiona in Shrek and says there's better).

As for non-Pixar sequels. I'll admin emotionally it doesn't sound right. But there's very little difference between taking existing characters and making a sequel to taking existing stories and making a film. Disney did this many times - often changing the story. Why should one reason for using established characters be different than the other. As long as the story is good, it doesn't matter. If Disney make a bad TS3 then complain, but don't complain first.

As for the voice artists, I'm sure most would work for the money. Hanks may be a problem (being as he has so much money) but Tim Allen is very loyal to Disney and the others will jump at the chance of the money.

[Rebel]

Rebel, the models for Toy Story 2 were redesigned from TS1, so in theory Disney or Pixar would be creating new models. Granted Pixar may have more experience, but Disney seems pretty positive on their Rapunzel models (Keane repeatedly critisises Princess Fiona in Shrek and says there's better).

There is a difference between Pixar revising their models from TS1 for TS2 and Disney being required to redesign them from scratch. For Disney, trying to accurately mimic the previous Toy Store models could be cost prohibitive -- especially if Disney decided to make it a direct to video release.

As for the voice artists, I'm sure most would work for the money. Hanks may be a problem (being as he has so much money) but Tim Allen is very loyal to Disney and the others will jump at the chance of the money.

However, after doing the pilot, Tim Allen turned down the opportunity to do the voice for Buzz Lightyear for the 2D animated tv series and Disney had to recruit Patrick Warburton for the job. That works ok for the tv series, but it would just not seem right having Patrick Warburton's voice come out of the 3D version of Buzz Lightyear.

Although Buzz and Woody are obviously the 2 most signifigant voices, there are several other characters utilizing recognizable voice actors. Of course, regardless of who were to produce TS3, obviously Jim Varney would not come back to do the voice of Slinky. John Ratzenberger has done voices for every Pixar movie so far (including the 2 in production); would he voice Hamm for Disney if Pixar opposed TS3? Don Rickles is pushing 80 and has basically retired, so it is questionable whether he would come back to do Mr Potato Head. Regardless, it would likely require a bit of money to have TS3 rival the ensemble of voice talent recruited for the first 2 movies.

If Disney wanted to make a really excellent Toy Story 3 movie then they could probably do so, but the problem is that there is very little reason, if any, to think that Disney would even make a serious effort to even try. Considering some of the low budget choices that Disney has made lately, it seems as though Disney has been more concerned about turning a buck than investing in making the best products.

[AwallaceUNC]

I agree with a lot of what's been said here. If (and I do mean IF) Disney can make a Toy Story 3 that is equal in terms of animation quality, story quality, music quality, and has the returning cast of the first 2.. I see no reason to not go ahead. But it needs to be a theatrical release!!!

However, the point of the skepticism/criticism that the film would get if it were to suck or go straight-to-video is a very good one. The last thing Disney needs is more Pixar/Disney comparisons that don't come out in their favor.

So basically, the real deciding factor is, will this be a quality film (read: will Eisner be fired), or will it suck (will Eisner still be around).

-Aaron

[indianajdp]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4610228/

Oh really??

[tmc2k1]

without pixar?

[indianajdp]

without pixar?

And 2-3 years down the line?
Sounds like posturing to me.

[Grunches]

without pixar?

Disney's biggest mistake was letting pixar get away.

[Jack]

This is kind of old news - I mean, Cook already confirmed TS3 was in the works at the shareholder meeting. He didn't say it would be a theatrical release, but it's no surprise that it is. Personally, I think its pretty shabby to do another sequel without Pixar, and I'm very skeptical as to what the end result will be. There's a chance that it'll be quality, but I still think it's a little unethical to take another studio/team's ideas and run with it.

[tmc2k1]

without pixar?

Disney's biggest mistake was letting pizar get away.

I feel the same way

[yoda_four]

I think this is horrible! Most of the cast probably won't return without Pixar's involvement. Recent screenshots of Disney new 3D movies looks boring, flat, plain and have no depth. Toy Story is one of the best animated movies ever, and Disney is simply captitalizing on some of PIXAR'S most bevoled characters. But, if anybody else has seen the trailer for Chiclen Little, we may all possibly have a little hope left, cause it sure looks worth seeing!

[yoda_four]

This is kind of old news - I mean, Cook already confirmed TS3 was in the works at the shareholder meeting. He didn't say it would be a theatrical release, but it's no surprise that it is. Personally, I think its pretty shabby to do another sequel without Pixar, and I'm very skeptical as to what the end result will be. There's a chance that it'll be quality, but I still think it's a little unethical to take another studio/team's ideas and run with it.

Disney's doing basically the same thing with Dreamworks' Madagascar on top of this Toy Story crap!