Pinocchio Platinum Edition Discussion Thread

KubrickFan · Post by **KubrickFan** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:41 pm

Dottie wrote:I don't really think they deleted it, it's more of a glitch in the audio, since apparently the sentences are on the European Blu-Ray and DVD.

No, it isn't. I checked it.

EDIT: Nevermind, I was wrong.

Jack Skellington · Post by **Jack Skellington** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 1:48 pm

Was the SW trailer restored ?

It looked pretty crappy on my hdtv.

ajmrowland · Post by **ajmrowland** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:05 pm

Usually, they use the old restoration for much of these trailers.

Also, how can the sentences end up on the uk dvd, but not the us one? Did they use different mixers?

Dottie · Post by **Dottie** » Mon Mar 16, 2009 4:43 pm

I don't know if it's true. It's just a rumour going round on European forums and I thought I should share it with you.

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:50 am

The missing words are on the UK European Blu-ray (which based on the languages was distributed in the UK, Republic of Ireland, Spain, Italy and the Netherlands) but are missing from the DVD.

Note: neither the Blu-ray or the DVD has the mono soundtrack, so I can't check these. I was a little put out by this, until I discovered the Blu-ray has the Audio Commentary dubbed into the three non-English languages too (Meaning the disc has 8 soundtracks)

Big Disney Fan · Post by **Big Disney Fan** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 9:00 am

Mason_Ireton wrote:then towards the end of the song when Pinocchio sings "And Always let your Consincse be your guide" and stumbles usualy you hear Jimminy saying "Look Out Pinoke" as he falls

So they deleted Jiminy saying that line to Pinocchio as he falls?

MickeyMouseboy · Post by **MickeyMouseboy** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:23 am

what is Disney going to do about it!? I want all the movie that's why i paid $26.99 for the blu ray not for parts of the movie! I want a exchange with the full movie!!!! ugh!

how dare they put out and inferior and flawed product! and they expect us to eat it up!

DarthPrime · Post by **DarthPrime** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:10 pm

MickeyMouseboy wrote:what is Disney going to do about it!? I want all the movie that's why i paid $26.99 for the blu ray not for parts of the movie! I want a exchange with the full movie!!!! ugh! how dare they put out and inferior and flawed product! and they expect us to eat it up!

I doubt they will do anything. Most people will not notice the difference. I just wonder why the 2 lines were omitted in the recent DVD/Blu-ray.

Will Barks · Post by **Will Barks** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:30 pm

DarthPrime wrote:I just wonder why the 2 lines were omitted in the recent DVD/Blu-ray.

It was clearly an error during the restoration process.

Marky_198 · Post by **Marky_198** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 1:47 pm

DarthPrime wrote:. I just wonder why the 2 lines were omitted in the recent DVD/Blu-ray.

They created a new soundtrack from scratch, from all the separate instruments, lines, sounds, etc. Everything is changed, some things are just more noticeable (like the forgotten lines) than others......

CampbellzSoup · Post by **CampbellzSoup** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:10 pm

So is it true that both of the lines are on the monorail track? If they are just set it to monorail *shrug

Marky_198 · Post by **Marky_198** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 2:42 pm

CampbellzSoup wrote:So is it true that both of the lines are on the monorail track? If they are just set it to monorail *shrug

No, the missing lines are missing there too. Because the mono track isn't the original mono track. It's just the new tampered version in mono-disguise.

ajmrowland · Post by **ajmrowland** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 6:09 pm

Will Barks wrote:
DarthPrime wrote:I just wonder why the 2 lines were omitted in the recent DVD/Blu-ray.
It was clearly an error during the restoration process.

But why would they do too different audio restorations simultaneously for the same movie, let alone the same language track?

Marky_198 wrote:
DarthPrime wrote:. I just wonder why the 2 lines were omitted in the recent DVD/Blu-ray.
They created a new soundtrack from scratch, from all the separate instruments, lines, sounds, etc. Everything is changed, some things are just more noticeable (like the forgotten lines) than others......

They didn't, actually. Most of the sound elements were struck in the 50s. Only the opening song survived. The rest is taken from the releases of the film.

Big Disney Fan · Post by **Big Disney Fan** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:26 pm

ajmrowland wrote:Most of the sound elements were struck in the 50s. Only the opening song survived. The rest is taken from the releases of the film.

So maybe, just maybe, the version of the movie we have here might be the original (and I mean original) version that came out in 1940?

ajmrowland · Post by **ajmrowland** » Tue Mar 17, 2009 10:42 pm

Not quite. I'm not sure how the two bytes of dialogue were missed, but they are. And the only original recordings available for the restoration, as I said, were the film's opening of "When You Wish Upon A Star". These were, apparently, mislabeled before what was known as "the Great Purge" of hollywood sound elements.

BrianG · Post by **BrianG** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:43 pm

Watched this last night with my son. We both enjoyed it and I thought the animation was absolutely breathtaking......but I found the film to be underwhelming. Coming off Snow White I could see why this didn't do as well. Snow White seemed to have one narrative while this movie had 3 stories merged into one.

After we finished watching my son said he didn't want to watch it again because Pinocchio got sick and he didn't want to see that so it did a good job showing how bad smoking and drinking was. For some reason he also thought Pinocchio was a boy and got turned into a puppet at the end

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CampbellzSoup · Post by **CampbellzSoup** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 3:53 pm

Yeah the story was really poorly put together...the animation is amazing though Walt should have been a bit more hands on the storyboard as it just doesn't flow well

TM2-Megatron · Post by **TM2-Megatron** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:16 pm

I just picked this up on Blu-Ray yesterday evening, and I'm pretty impressed with the presentation overall. I'd never have believed this film is so old, given the restoration job. I don't think I've seen this one since I was 7 or 8, so pretty much everything is new to me; which is always fun.

In reading the UD review, I was kind of surprised to see the notes on Blu-Ray in it. I don't really mind Disney pushing Blu-Ray at this point, really. Only those people who want it will bother, no matter what they do, so what's the harm?

I've been buying Blu-Ran exclusively now for about 5 or 6 months, and while I wouldn't have said prior to it that DVD needed that much improvement in the quality department... DVD really can't compare to a proper 1080p transfer when played on a good display. Particularly while watching on my computer, DVDs have always looked like crap... but now having a BD-ROM drive in my computer, they look incredible on my 1920x1200 monitor.

Jules · Post by **Jules** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 4:23 pm

Soupy wrote:*snip* the animation is amazing *snip*

That's true, and something I feel Luke underestimated in his review. He did say that the animation is striking but claimed it didn't aspire to visual ambition like that seen in Fantasia or Bambi.

I disagree. All throughout the film you can see special shading on the characters (likely achieved using dry brush) like the yellow markings on Pinocchio's hat feather, or the pastel-like grey effects on Figaro's jet black fur.

That sort of stuff took time and money. The inkers and painters could have just filled in the characters with plain blocks of colour (which sadly they did on every feature following Bambi ... lack of funds, I guess. Even Sleeping Beauty, for all its lavishness, did not use those techniques, or maybe it was a stylistic choice ... dunno). Moreover, the climactic final sequence is a barrage of special effects, and must have been hell to animate and phoptograph. Oh, and let's not forget Oskar Fischinger's effects animation of the fairy's wand!

Pinocchio is aesthetically one of the best Disney has to offer!

ajmrowland · Post by **ajmrowland** » Wed Mar 18, 2009 5:01 pm

That, and I think it's better than Snow White, overall.

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