Pinocchio Platinum Edition Discussion Thread

[Matt]

Here is a nice treat for you guys!

Here is Meaghan Jette Martin's version of "When You Wish Upon A Star"

This is a HQ Rip from the DVD. I know there are a few floating around online that aren't HQ but here it is, enjoy!

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=BED5L00A

P.S. I also tried to rip the Deleted song but something went wrong, it wouldn't work!
I will try again tomorrow.

[CampbellzSoup]

Hey wow an actual Discussion of the movie!!!

Thanks Phillip for your wonderful answer, I appreicate it

Man...I'm so sad that they cut that sequence would have been awesome!

[ajmrowland]

I was just in the Maquettes gallery on disc 2, and it has video "turnarounds" of some of the figures.

[Simba3]

I didn't really care for Pinocchio that much prior to its Platinum Edition release. I thought it was a bit strange actually. However, after tonight's viewing I have found a greater appreciation for the film. I still probably wouldn't call it one of my favorites, but I have a great appreciation for the film, especially after watching the Making of Pinocchio feature.

[Voiceroy]

If any of you happen to live in the Atlanta area, or will be traveling through the city within the next couple months, a "rare, platinum dipped Pinocchio marionette" will be on display at The Center for Puppetry Arts:

http://www.ajc.com/services/content/pri ... o0311.html

[2099net]

The issue of grain Luke mentions in his review is quite interesting. I've tried to do some research, but sadly its not conclusive, but my impression was that the successive exposure Tecnicolor process used larger film-stock than the later Technicolor or even single-exposure black and white photography methods.

If this is the case, then its quite possible the negatives would be relatively grain free (generally speaking, the larger the physical frame, the smaller and less noticable the grain) meaning the grain we associate with films like Pinocchio would be a symptom of the film properties of later, cheaper prints, not the original negative or expensive tie-dyed prints. Remember, it was expensive to line up the three frames (red, blue and green) accurately.

Regardless of the size of the original negative, its still possible the negatives and original dyed prints could be of higher-quality while the later prints sent out to hundreds of cinemas when the film was re-issued would be of cheaper lower stock (and not to mention coloured via a different process), and thus, grainier.

Edited to Add: OK, apparently it was around 1954 when Technicolour started to do this on negatives up to 3 times the size of the final film print, which allowed higher-definition and thus reduced grain on reduction for the final print. So not for Pinocchio. But my point still stands, the grain we associate old films with could be from the print film properties rather than the negative's.

Just because we're used to seeing the film a certain way, doesn't mean it was originally. After all Pinocchio would have been originally distributed with expensive dyed prints - one of the reasons Technicolor went out of fashion was the expense of the processing.

[Marce82]

Hey to all of the Americans out there (this is geared to you),

I recently moved to Canada, and I figured the Dvds would be the same here as they are in the US. I bought my Pinocchio Dvd, and though the DVDs themselves might be the same...I noticed a few things. While reading the review on this site, it says that it comes with a 6-page booklet...mine has a 3-way foldout thing (one piece of paper folded in 3)...

Also...the case itself seems softer (more bendy?) than the usual platinums. Is this how it is for everyone? Or is it a Canadian thing?

I bought Enchanted in Canada, and the case was normal...

To all americans out there...lets find out if Disney's gone cheap...or is it just the Canucks...eh?

[nunval]

Yes, you're right. The original dye transfer prints had the property to be apparently grain-free. This fact was inherent to the dye -transfer process. The prints made from Technicolor negatives after 1973 in USA and after 1978 in Italy were all made in cheaper Eastmancolor process with much more grain. So, the new blu ray edition is much more similar to original dye transfer prints that the Eastmancolor reissues. Confront the three trailers in the extras to see the difference in quality between the original and the reissues.

[2099net]

Oh yes, I've already mentioned the trailers earlier in this thread.

The two earlier trailers have colours much closer to the new DVD/Blu-ray's colours while the 1992 trailer (which was also used for the LD and Limited Edition DVD) has colours radically different.

Check out the scene of Gepetto painting the mouth on the Pinocchio puppet which is on both the 1985 and 1992 trailers for a direct comparison. The 1985 trailer has a grey-ish background, while the 1992 trailer has the brown/orange background we're all familiar with from various screen grabs on this forum held up to be "correct".

How anyone can think those 1992 colours are correct is beyond me. It looks like Gepetto's workroom has a bonfire just out of shot the rooms to orange!

[Widdi]

Our inserts are always different. The case I can't explain as mine seems pretty normal.

[BelleGirl]

I have a question for you all: which of you has read the original book by Carlo Collodi? It's always a nice object of study to compare the original work to the Disney adaptation.

Since I've read the original I understand better what changes were made and why Disney made them.
a faithfull adaptation would:

1. never be compiled in a movie running about 80 minutes
2. be far more scarier yet
3. the hero of the story would be far less sympathetic to the viewer (though in the end Pinocchio does turn out as a good boy)

By the way: in the original story the fox and the cat do get their desert. They end up as poor beggars who beg Pinocchio to feel compassion for them, but Pinocchio doesn't and tells them they got what they deserved.

[egyptnation]

Hey to all of the Americans out there (this is geared to you),

I recently moved to Canada, and I figured the Dvds would be the same here as they are in the US. I bought my Pinocchio Dvd, and though the DVDs themselves might be the same...I noticed a few things. While reading the review on this site, it says that it comes with a 6-page booklet...mine has a 3-way foldout thing (one piece of paper folded in 3)...

Also...the case itself seems softer (more bendy?) than the usual platinums. Is this how it is for everyone? Or is it a Canadian thing?

I bought Enchanted in Canada, and the case was normal...

To all americans out there...lets find out if Disney's gone cheap...or is it just the Canucks...eh?

can someone let me know what the inserts were in the american blu-ray? in canada all they had was a movie rewards paper.

[Mooky]

I have a question for you all: which of you has read the original book by Carlo Collodi? It's always a nice object of study to compare the original work to the Disney adaptation.

Since I've read the original I understand better what changes were made and why Disney made them.
a faithfull adaptation would:

1. never be compiled in a movie running about 80 minutes
2. be far more scarier yet
3. the hero of the story would be far less sympathetic to the viewer (though in the end Pinocchio does turn out as a good boy)

By the way: in the original story the fox and the cat do get their desert. They end up as poor beggars who beg Pinocchio to feel compassion for them, but Pinocchio doesn't and tells them they got what they deserved.

I've read it and prefer it to the movie. Movie Pinocchio comes off as naive, while book Pinocchio is a real SOB, but because of that, his change seems genuine. And it's not just the Disney version, all adaptations seem to strive to make him a sympathetic character when he's not. He's a jerk and a bully and deserves all what's happening to him.

[tlc38tlc38]

can someone let me know what the inserts were in the american blu-ray? in canada all they had was a movie rewards paper.

In my Blu-ray, I got: an insert about the Pinocchio sweepstakes with the DMR code on it and a small booklet that has ads for a Sharp Aquos TV, Handy Manny, "Awaken Your Senses" ad about Blu-ray, Disney parks ad, D23 ad, and a BOLT ad for DVD and Blu-ray.

[gregmasciola]

I just got my copy the other day, and let me say it looks great. The making-of wasn't as good as I would like; it felt more like they were all just saying how great the movie is rather than actually talking about the making of it. Also, a bit of stuff gets repeated between the making-of and the audio commentary. But I bought this platinum for the movie, and I am very pleased with it.
I just wanted to say one other thing. While I hate to bring up the whole candle debate again, I kind of understand where Marky was coming from. If you look at this frame from DVDbeaver.com

Pinocchio has no real "skin-tone". He just looks gray. But he did not look this way when viewing the movie on my TV. On my TV it actually did look like the flame on his finger was lighting up his face and the colors felt much warmer. So while I understand what Marky was trying to say, you can't judge the restoration just by screen-captures on a computer. And also, you can't judge a whole restoration based on screen-captures from just one scene. Of course it looks a bit "flat" and "lifeless" when you look at the screen-captures; that's because they are not moving.

[BelleGirl]

I have a question for you all: which of you has read the original book by Carlo Collodi? It's always a nice object of study to compare the original work to the Disney adaptation.

Since I've read the original I understand better what changes were made and why Disney made them.
a faithfull adaptation would:

1. never be compiled in a movie running about 80 minutes
2. be far more scarier yet
3. the hero of the story would be far less sympathetic to the viewer (though in the end Pinocchio does turn out as a good boy)

By the way: in the original story the fox and the cat do get their desert. They end up as poor beggars who beg Pinocchio to feel compassion for them, but Pinocchio doesn't and tells them they got what they deserved.

I've read it and prefer it to the movie. Movie Pinocchio comes off as naive, while book Pinocchio is a real SOB, but because of that, his change seems genuine. And it's not just the Disney version, all adaptations seem to strive to make him a sympathetic character when he's not. He's a jerk and a bully and deserves all what's happening to him.

Long time ago I saw an animated TV-series of Pinocchio that was quite faithfull to the book. Funny thing is that all through the series Pinocchio was accompanied by a young chicken. In the original story the chicken flew away, and did not return (he came out of an egg the hungry Pinocchio wanted to eat).

I've been to Collodi and visited the Pinocchio park there. The whole town is filled with Pinocchio dolls including the one from the Disney movie.

Though you prefer the original book, can you still appriciate the Disney version, Mooky 7?

[Mooky]

Though you prefer the original book, can you still appriciate the Disney version, Mooky 7?

Well, yes. I appreciate all DACs for various reasons - their role in Disney history, style, animation, story, music, even though I dislike some of them. I like "Pinocchio", but I'd still probably put it in my Bottom 20.

[Aly_Montana_98]

i just saw this movie for the first time and i liked it the little kitty is SO cute but that whale kinda freaked me out :\

[DisneyQuack]

Well I ended up getting a Blu Ray player last night lol so I got the Blu Ray of Pinocchio and Cars....I can't wait to watch Pinocchio...but it may have to wait til after March Madness, or at least a day that isn't dominated by hoops

[Wonderlicious]

Our inserts are always different. The case I can't explain as mine seems pretty normal.

Being the fanboy geek that I am, I have another few questions. I bought some Canadian Region 1 DVDs a few years back (Alice in Wonderland, Mary Poppins, Brother Bear) and there was a "version franciase incluse" logo. Also, the promo booklet for one of them had both the original English chat and a French translation. Do they still do that?