Pinocchio Platinum Edition Discussion Thread

[wallymatters]

I originally wasn't going to reply to this, or was going to say something sarcastic, but... I'll try to be diplomatic.

The blu-ray release came with the only DVD needed for a review of the film itself.

UD reviews have always been meticulously thorough in their review of the bonus features, which would not have been possible to do with just Disc 1. Therefore, his comments were perfectly valid.

Those who have chosen not to upgrade or have been unable to upgrade to the proper HT equipment seem...bitter.

"Proper HT equipment"? You mean like 100 dollar cables?

No thanks, I'd rather spend that money on more DVDs and CDs, or trips to various locations, or any number of hobbies I have.

Not everyone has the same approach to watching movies. Personally, I watch movies for the emotional journey they take me on, not to obsessively scrutinize the transfer looking for detail and flaws. And "High def" is not going to make the jokes funnier or the touching scenes more touching.

If the more technical approach is more what you are into, more power to you, but I'm happy with my current setup. All that matters is, my DVDs look and sound good TO ME on MY television.

The bottom line is, I CAN afford all that high-end, elite techie equipment, and CHOOSE not to buy it. Therefore, I am not "bitter" that I don't have it.

Speaking of "bitter", it sure seems like a lot of the techie crowd is bitter that there are those of us who are happy enough with DVD that we feel no compulsion to get Blu-Ray. Why does it bother you so much what Luke wrote? To the point where you signed up for this forum (by your own admission) just to complain about it and make personal attacks against Luke and forum members? Why do you care what he, or anyone else, chooses to buy or not buy?

Live and let live, man.

Speaking frankly, a lot of you are coming across as a bunch of snobs.

Note - I am not attempting to speak here for anyone else who is satisfied with DVD, these are just my thoughts.

$100 cables?

If you don't know that a better audio and video presentation can enhance the experience one goes though with any scene...then you need more help than I can provide.

The proper disc was supplied to Luke for a review of the film itself. Enough said. He saw an opportunity to whine and exploited it.

What Luke wrote bothers me for two reasons:

1. It's incorrect.

2. The entire subject of the article was "Pinocchio: Platinum Edition DVD Review", but most of the article was a bashing of blu-ray and had nothing at all to do with Pinocchio.

If you're going to review the Pinocchio DVD...then just do that. Stick to what you know. He hasn't a clue about blu-ray and made that painfully obvious.

Now, get with the times. Technology is moving forward...with or without you.

[David S.]

If you don't know that a better audio and video presentation can enhance the experience one goes though with any scene...then you need more help than I can provide.

I don't need any "help", techie snob. I enjoy my movies just fine on DVD.

Looks like the Norway pavillion at Epcot is not the only place one can find trolls...

The proper disc was supplied to Luke for a review of the film itself. Enough said. He saw an opportunity to whine and exploited it.

He obviously did not want to write just a review of just the film itself. That would not have been up to UD's standards. By Disney not sending the second disc, this was not possibile, so his eloquent thoughts on BD were obviously an explanation as to why we'll be waiting to see the entire review, which as always will be worth the wait.

[wallymatters]

If you don't know that a better audio and video presentation can enhance the experience one goes though with any scene...then you need more help than I can provide.

I don't need any "help", techie snob. I enjoy my movies just fine on DVD.

Looks like the Norway pavillion at Epcot is not the only place one can find trolls...

The proper disc was supplied to Luke for a review of the film itself. Enough said. He saw an opportunity to whine and exploited it.

He obviously did not want to write just a review of just the film itself. That would not have been up to UD's standards. By Disney not sending the second disc, this was not possibile, so his eloquent thoughts on BD were obviously an explanation as to why we'll be waiting to see the entire review, which as always will be worth the wait.

UD's standards? Haha...funniest thing I've read in a long time!

It was possible for him to review the film itself. He CHOSE not to simply so he could use the opportunity to push his own agenda.

Have fun enjoying those DVD's on your 27" RCA.

[David S.]

The readership are used to thorough reviews that cover the bonus features. Since he was not able to do this in a timely matter due to Disney not sending Disc 2, he offered an explanation as to why. So stop acting like you can't understand this.

Have fun enjoying those DVD's on your 27" RCA.

Yes, I enjoy my DVDs on both my 27 inch AND 20 inch TV.

That last statement only proves that you are a techno-equipment snob.

[The_Iceflash]

$100 cables?

If you don't know that a better audio and video presentation can enhance the experience one goes though with any scene...then you need more help than I can provide.

The proper disc was supplied to Luke for a review of the film itself. Enough said. He saw an opportunity to whine and exploited it.

What Luke wrote bothers me for two reasons:

1. It's incorrect.

2. The entire subject of the article was "Pinocchio: Platinum Edition DVD Review", but most of the article was a bashing of blu-ray and had nothing at all to do with Pinocchio.

If you're going to review the Pinocchio DVD...then just do that. Stick to what you know. He hasn't a clue about blu-ray and made that painfully obvious.

Now, get with the times. Technology is moving forward...with or without you.

The thing is, what Luke wrote is very correct and that bothers many. It's not about "getting with the times." Statements like that and the "Technology is moving forward...with or without you." one only help prove Luke's point.

[wallymatters]

"Proper HT equipment"? You mean like 100 dollar cables?

No thanks, I'd rather spend that money on more DVDs and CDs, or trips to various locations, or any number of hobbies I have.

Not everyone has the same approach to watching movies. Personally, I watch movies for the emotional journey they take me on, not to obsessively scrutinize the transfer looking for detail and flaws. And "High def" is not going to make the jokes funnier or the touching scenes more touching.

If the more technical approach is more what you are into, more power to you, but I'm happy with my current setup. All that matters is, my DVDs look and sound good TO ME on MY television.

The bottom line is, I CAN afford all that high-end, elite techie equipment, and CHOOSE not to buy it. Therefore, I am not "bitter" that I don't have it.

Speaking of "bitter", it sure seems like a lot of the techie crowd is bitter that there are those of us who are happy enough with DVD that we feel no compulsion to get Blu-Ray. Why does it bother you so much what Luke wrote? To the point where you signed up for this forum (by your own admission) just to complain about it and make personal attacks against Luke and forum members? Why do you care what he, or anyone else, chooses to buy or not buy?

Live and let live, man.

Speaking frankly, a lot of you are coming across as a bunch of snobs.

Note - I am not attempting to speak here for anyone else who is satisfied with DVD, these are just my thoughts.

$100 cables?

If you don't know that a better audio and video presentation can enhance the experience one goes though with any scene...then you need more help than I can provide.

The proper disc was supplied to Luke for a review of the film itself. Enough said. He saw an opportunity to whine and exploited it.

What Luke wrote bothers me for two reasons:

1. It's incorrect.

2. The entire subject of the article was "Pinocchio: Platinum Edition DVD Review", but most of the article was a bashing of blu-ray and had nothing at all to do with Pinocchio.

If you're going to review the Pinocchio DVD...then just do that. Stick to what you know. He hasn't a clue about blu-ray and made that painfully obvious.

Now, get with the times. Technology is moving forward...with or without you.[/quote]

The thing is, what Luke wrote is very correct and that bothers many. It's not about "getting with the times." Statements like that and the "Technology is moving forward...with or without you." one only help prove Luke's point.[/quote]

No...actually Luke was wrong and his lack of knowledge on the subject clearly shows.

[wallymatters]

The readership are used to thorough reviews that cover the bonus features. Since he was not able to do this in a timely matter due to Disney not sending Disc 2, he offered an explanation as to why. So stop acting like you can't understand this.

Have fun enjoying those DVD's on your 27" RCA.

Yes, I enjoy my DVDs on both my 27 inch AND 20 inch TV.

That last statement only proves that you are a techno-equipment snob.

Snob? No. I just happen to enjoy the fullest potential of films I can experience at home. Proper video and audio equipment are needed to experience films as intended.

I'm sure you also prefer Pan & Scan DVD's as well!

[David S.]

Snob? No. I just happen to enjoy the fullest potential of films I can experience at home. Proper video and audio equipment are needed to experience films as intended.

I'm sure you also prefer Pan & Scan DVD's as well!

Actually I prefer widescreen, when a movie is actually filmed in widescreen.

"Pan and scan" refers to missing information on the sides, so I NEVER support that.

And what you don't seem to get is that "proper equipment" to you is not necessarily necessary for others. It's all relative. If Luke or myself or anyone else can enjoy our movies on an intellectual, emotional, visual, and audio level on standard DVD on a TV that isn't large enough to satisfy people like you, than our equipment IS proper for us.

That's where the term "snob" comes in. You seem to think anyone with a smaller display watching DVD is incapable of having an enjoyable, breathtaking experience with our movies.

And that is where you are WRONG.

[SpringHeelJack]

It's DVDs. "DVD's" implies possessive, as in "the DVD's cover art" as opposed to your usage, which I take it is the plural of DVD. Additionally, your "arguments" might perhaps be better served if you weren't just throwing logical fallacies all over the place.

[wallymatters]

Snob? No. I just happen to enjoy the fullest potential of films I can experience at home. Proper video and audio equipment are needed to experience films as intended.

I'm sure you also prefer Pan & Scan DVD's as well!

Actually I prefer widescreen, when a movie is actually filmed in widescreen.

"Pan and scan" refers to missing information on the sides, so I NEVER support that.

And what you don't seem to get is that "proper equipment" to you is not necessarily necessary for others. It's all relative. If Luke or myself or anyone else can enjoy our movies on an intellectual, emotional, visual, and audio level on standard DVD on a TV that isn't large enough to satisfy people like you, than our equipment IS proper for us.

That's where the term "snob" comes in. You seem to think anyone with a smaller display watching DVD is incapable of having an enjoyable, breathtaking experience with our movies.

And that is where you are WRONG.

No, it simply means that you have inadequate equipment to experience films to their full potential. It means that you are not, in any conceivable way, qualified to judge a superior format.

[David S.]

I never said I was, just that I was happy with DVD.

[wallymatters]

I never said I was, just that I was happy with DVD.

Luke obviously isn't qualified to take on that debate either.

[ajmrowland]

I never said I was, just that I was happy with DVD.

Luke obviously isn't qualified to take on that debate either.

As much as I agree with you, You're the reason why the rest of us are labelled as "fanboys"

I know I'm gonna get bashed for this......http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.ph ... how=review
At least it should partially apply to the DVD.

[Big Disney Fan]

I know I'm gonna get bashed for this......http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/movies.ph ... how=review
At least it should partially apply to the DVD.

Well, it's looking pretty solid.

My mom ordered the movie a little while ago, so it may or may not come within a week of its release.

[2099net]

Well, well, well, well, well.

I've got the UK Blu-ray and one of the first things I did was view the trailer gallery on disc 2.

My. My. My. My.

The 1992 trailer which obviously uses the same source as the previous Limited Edition DVD (and LD) is blatantly different colour wise to the 1984 trailer and the 1940 trailer. In fact the 84 and 92 trailers feature the same scene (where Pinocchio's face is painted) and the 84 trailer shows a grey-ish background (similar to the restored film) and the 92 trailer shows the brown background we all know so well from various screencaps in various threads in this forum.

The 1940 and 1984 colours match each other much more then the 1992 colours - which everyone here seems to have taken as the gospel colours. In fact, the 1940 trailer colours are the closest to the Platinum Edition colours. They're not quite as bright, but its clear from even the opening of the 1992 trailer, the colours on all are somewhat faded.

It's also clear that NO restoration work has been done on any of the trailers (although, I admit this doesn't prove colours weren't tweaked).

[David S.]

I never said I was, just that I was happy with DVD.

Luke obviously isn't qualified to take on that debate either.

Ah, but Luke NEVER said anywhere in his comments that DVD was "superior" to Blu-Ray.

AND, he acknowledged that Blu-Ray offered a definitive improvement in picture and sound.

He did, however, give his opinion that he was happy with DVD, and made some valid points about the aggressive way some studios (particularly Disney) are pushing BD at the expense of DVD, to the point where he wasn't even given a chance to get a review copy of the complete DVD set.

Since Luke runs the site, he has EVERY right to give his opinion about these things. You may disagree with his opinion, but you can't realistically say they are "wrong" just because he has a different opinion than you. Simply because, there is no definitive "right" and "wrong" about these issues.

Now, if you have a different viewpoint, the tactful thing to do if you want to express it would have been to just politely do so, as other BD fans here are capable of doing.

However, by making your first several posts personal attacks, you just came off as someone looking to cause trouble, and bitter because Luke has a different viewpoint then you do.

[David S.]

The 1940 and 1984 colours match each other much more then the 1992 colours - which everyone here seems to have taken as the gospel colours. In fact, the 1940 trailer colours are the closest to the Platinum Edition colours. They're not quite as bright, but its clear from even the opening of the 1992 trailer, the colours on all are somewhat faded.

It's also clear that NO restoration work has been done on any of the trailers (although, I admit this doesn't prove colours weren't tweaked).

Thanks for the info, 2099net!

It sounds like a good sign for the Platinum restoration. I am looking forward to getting this tomorrow!

[ajmrowland]

Well, well, well, well, well.

I've got the UK Blu-ray and one of the first things I did was view the trailer gallery on disc 2.

My. My. My. My.

The 1992 trailer which obviously uses the same source as the previous Limited Edition DVD (and LD) is blatantly different colour wise to the 1984 trailer and the 1940 trailer. In fact the 84 and 92 trailers feature the same scene (where Pinocchio's face is painted) and the 84 trailer shows a grey-ish background (similar to the restored film) and the 92 trailer shows the brown background we all know so well from various screencaps in various threads in this forum.

The 1940 and 1984 colours match each other much more then the 1992 colours - which everyone here seems to have taken as the gospel colours. In fact, the 1940 trailer colours are the closest to the Platinum Edition colours. They're not quite as bright, but its clear from even the opening of the 1992 trailer, the colours on all are somewhat faded.

It's also clear that NO restoration work has been done on any of the trailers (although, I admit this doesn't prove colours weren't tweaked).

I'm busy preparing for Marky's senseless nit-picking for this one. Either way, can't wait to get it!

[Goliath]

Looks like the Norway pavillion at Epcot is not the only place one can find trolls...

That's a good one, David! Why hasn't this prick been banned yet?

[Sky Syndrome]

So, who's picking up Pinocchio tomorrow?

Maybe not tomorrow but I'm getting it soon! It's gonna have a place next P3K: Pinocchio 3000 in my DVD display case. I could hold a little back-to-back Pinocchio marathon with these two movies!