Snow White Re-release Platinum Discussion & Cover Art Th

[Vermin Friends]

edit: oh yeah, and before I forget (again), what are those "floating heads" y'all were talking about earlier?

"Floating Head" is the term used for the consistent designs of current PE's in which the main protagonists' heads are larger than life and above the title box. Even with Pinocchio, When the full body is shown, His head is massive and placed accordingly.

OH! lol I see, I see. I was literally looking around the cover for any sign of a floating (like, decapitated) head. lol Thank you SO much for clearing that up.

[ajmrowland]

"Floating Head" is the term used for the consistent designs of current PE's in which the main protagonists' heads are larger than life and above the title box. Even with Pinocchio, When the full body is shown, His head is massive and placed accordingly.

OH! lol I see, I see. I was literally looking around the cover for any sign of a floating (like, decapitated) head. lol Thank you SO much for clearing that up.

No problem. I was actually able to post something that wasn't countered. I should be thankful for that.

[Chernabog_Rocks]

Also, I can see what he means by a gimmicky movie. Back then this was a huge thing it drew audiences in. It was known as Walts Folly, and was probably seen as a gimmick at first just a way to get peoples attention on his companies shorts (which weren't bringing in enough money if I recall) but then they genuinely liked it and saw it as more than that.

But it’s not like Disney made the film to be a gimmick. They made the film because they wanted to try something new in animation. It was an artistic expression much more than a gimmick. (And I started reading from where I left off last time, and Goliath pretty much summed up how I feel…)

I never said it was a gimmick or that he made it to be one. I just said I can see how and why some people might think that As stated by my first statement.

To respond to Goliath. I don't know if I'd consider this film just to be solely about Snow Whites relationship with the dwarfs. I think it's supposed to be more about her in general, how her life was changed by this event. The majority of the film just so happens to revolve around her and the dwarfs. The film left me wondering "what happened to the Huntsman?" and I also wondered about the Prince, who he is, where he comes from, why he's so interested in Snow White. I felt the story was a bit weak because it didn't give some answer to the questions I had. Would it really have been that hard just to put in a scene or two where we find out who the Prince is and where he comes from? Or why he loves Snow White?

You say the picture is engaging, yet I disagree I found it rather hard to sit through. I would have prefered to see more chacter development on the rest of the characters. It's like all the characters that aren't dwarfs (and even then it's only to an extent) are just meant to be basic props for Snow White. For me it weakens the movie, the characters imo need to develop themselves as well as the movie otherwise you have a well developed story but rather plain and/or boring characters that could be hard to like so then it makes it almost pointless to bother with the story. Why watch a movie (any movie) if you can't like the characters even if you think the story is good?

Also, I do like the movie I just happen to like other DAC's more.

[Mooky]

You say the picture is engaging, yet I disagree I found it rather hard to sit through. I would have prefered to see more chacter development on the rest of the characters. It's like all the characters that aren't dwarfs (and even then it's only to an extent) are just meant to be basic props for Snow White. For me it weakens the movie, the characters imo need to develop themselves as well as the movie otherwise you have a well developed story but rather plain and/or boring characters that could be hard to like so then it makes it almost pointless to bother with the story. Why watch a movie (any movie) if you can't like the characters even if you think the story is good?

Also, I do like the movie I just happen to like other DAC's more.

Replace "dwarfs" with "fairies" and "Snow White" with "Aurora" and you get my view of "Sleeping Beauty" .

[Goliath]

To respond to Goliath. I don't know if I'd consider this film just to be solely about Snow Whites relationship with the dwarfs. I think it's supposed to be more about her in general, how her life was changed by this event. The majority of the film just so happens to revolve around her and the dwarfs. The film left me wondering "what happened to the Huntsman?" and I also wondered about the Prince, who he is, where he comes from, why he's so interested in Snow White. I felt the story was a bit weak because it didn't give some answer to the questions I had. Would it really have been that hard just to put in a scene or two where we find out who the Prince is and where he comes from? Or why he loves Snow White?

Of course I can't be sure of this, but my guess is that you're in a small minority of people asking these questions. Surely Walt Disney didn't anticipate on them. I think what's good about this film (like most Disney films), is that it seperates main point and side points. The main point is what happens with Snow White when she lives with the Dwarfs. 90% of the film is about this, so we can establish that's the main point. What happens to the huntsman, or who the prince is, is irrelevant to this story.

Just like it's irrelevant to know how Penny became an orphan; or why Usrula was banned from the palace; and surely we don't have to know what happens with the hotdog salesman after Oliver and Dodger steal his sausages, do we? We're not interested whether or not he will manage to still make a living after this brutal thievery, if he will be able to put food on the table for his family. Does he even have a family?

You say the picture is engaging, yet I disagree I found it rather hard to sit through. I would have prefered to see more chacter development on the rest of the characters. It's like all the characters that aren't dwarfs (and even then it's only to an extent) are just meant to be basic props for Snow White. For me it weakens the movie, the characters imo need to develop themselves as well as the movie otherwise you have a well developed story but rather plain and/or boring characters that could be hard to like so then it makes it almost pointless to bother with the story. Why watch a movie (any movie) if you can't like the characters even if you think the story is good?

Well, like I said above: there are main characters and supporting characters, and then there are characters who are just there to play a part that simply moves forward the plot. In that respect you're right: tose characters who aren't Dwarfs are props for Snow White; at least for her story. That's because Walt Disney*wanted* the film to be about her and the Dwarfs.

The story is indeed very simple and straight-forward, but this is true of any fairy tale. Basically, they can be told in five minutes. That's why they're expaned with extra characters, songs etc.

[PrincePhillipFan]

Of course I can't be sure of this, but my guess is that you're in a small minority of people asking these questions. Surely Walt Disney didn't anticipate on them. I think what's good about this film (like most Disney films), is that it seperates main point and side points. The main point is what happens with Snow White when she lives with the Dwarfs. 90% of the film is about this, so we can establish that's the main point. What happens to the huntsman, or who the prince is, is irrelevant to this story.

I don't think it was so much as Walt thought the Prince's story was unnecessary, as just it was his animator's draftsmenship being the problem. Walt for many years wanted to always exapnd the prince's role and personality in his films, however he always felt that his animators could not yet animate a human male lead convincing enough. It wasn't until Sleeping Beauty that Walt felt his animators were up to the task, and personally insisted Phillip's role be expanded in the story and give more personality than the previous princes. From every source I've read, the main reason why the Prince's love triangle story with Snow White and the Queen, and his capture and near drowning were cut from the picture was because Walt was dissatisified with the animators' result of the Prince. I think Walt always knew the Prince was an essential part of the story (hence why he wanted the plotline between him and the Queen, which was even included in a comic book version of the story), but his own personal dissapointment in the animation results of the character led to him being cut back to the barest minimum needed for the story.

[ajmrowland]

Of course I can't be sure of this, but my guess is that you're in a small minority of people asking these questions. Surely Walt Disney didn't anticipate on them. I think what's good about this film (like most Disney films), is that it seperates main point and side points. The main point is what happens with Snow White when she lives with the Dwarfs. 90% of the film is about this, so we can establish that's the main point. What happens to the huntsman, or who the prince is, is irrelevant to this story.

I don't think it was so much as Walt thought the Prince's story was unnecessary, as just it was his animator's draftsmenship being the problem. Walt for many years wanted to always exapnd the prince's role and personality in his films, however he always felt that his animators could not yet animate a human male lead convincing enough. It wasn't until Sleeping Beauty that Walt felt his animators were up to the task, and personally insisted Phillip's role be expanded in the story and give more personality than the previous princes. From every source I've read, the main reason why the Prince's love triangle story with Snow White and the Queen, and his capture and near drowning were cut from the picture was because Walt was dissatisified with the animators' result of the Prince. I think Walt always knew the Prince was an essential part of the story (hence why he wanted the plotline between him and the Queen, which was even included in a comic book version of the story), but his own personal dissapointment in the animation results of the character led to him being cut back to the barest minimum needed for the story.

I can't believe how many people ignored what I said about the male heroes being too hard to draw at some point.

YOu do clear things up significantly, though.

[PrincePhillipFan]

I can't believe how many people ignored what I said about the male heroes being too hard to draw at some point.

YOu do clear things up significantly, though.

I'm so sorry, I didn't see your comment earlier about it. I just went back now and saw your post on it.

It's hard to find a particular comment after it's buried behind a bunch of posts here on this board sometimes.

[ajmrowland]

I can't believe how many people ignored what I said about the male heroes being too hard to draw at some point.

YOu do clear things up significantly, though.

I'm so sorry, I didn't see your comment earlier about it. I just went back now and saw your post on it.

It's hard to find a particular comment after it's buried behind a bunch of posts here on this board sometimes.

NO, it's okay. I wasn't talking about you. I'm pretty vague sometimes, and don't always say as much as I should.

[271286]

It's extremely late, and I don't know when, if ever 271286 will come back to this thread to see this, but I wanted to apologize for something.

I agree the original poster makes it look like Belle and the Beast are in their own little world, but shouldn't they're love be the brightness in the dark, not the other way around? And so it doesn't make sense, and the rose poster took much more thought and artsyness. At least you agree that's artsy.

And I apologize for saying that they should be bright while the rest of the world is dark. Though that would make sense, it also makes sense for their figures to be silhouetted against a glow that surrounds them, like it comes from them, comes off of them, comes between them, because the rest of the background is in shadow, too, so the whole place isn't glowing, they, "their own little world", is glowing.

I still say the first posters were only previewing the films before the real posters. I mean, since when is not seeing a character's' face, which shows a character's emotion, so much more adult and artistic and better? And Aladdin's second, "real" poster isn't too cartoony. And now that I think about it, the second Beauty and the Beast one was actually creative because it had the Beast looming in the clouds that represent the cloudy spell and Belle's "I want adventure in a great wide somewhere" actually being in front of the castle, enforcing that the castle is the adventure she seeks to run off to...BUT it's just too cartoony in colors and the enchanted objects being there, I guess.

Haha... I just saw your reply... I was randomly browsing through the thread when i noticed my "name"...

I don't really remember what the disagreement was about to be honest... But I do agree that the "artsy" posters were to get the audience's attention (however - primarely adults due to the look of the posters)... I also agree that the poster with Beast in the sky is very creative. The artists who did it had some good thoughts for the poster - however I think it was poorly executed - because of like you said the weird colourscheme and the enchanted objects being in there... It could have made a very nice artsy/adult poster had it been executed differently - the thoughts behind it are really good.

[Goliath]

I don't think it was so much as Walt thought the Prince's story was unnecessary, as just it was his animator's draftsmenship being the problem. Walt for many years wanted to always exapnd the prince's role and personality in his films, however he always felt that his animators could not yet animate a human male lead convincing enough. [...] From every source I've read, the main reason why the Prince's love triangle story with Snow White and the Queen, and his capture and near drowning were cut from the picture was because Walt was dissatisified with the animators' result of the Prince. I think Walt always knew the Prince was an essential part of the story (hence why he wanted the plotline between him and the Queen, which was even included in a comic book version of the story), but his own personal dissapointment in the animation results of the character led to him being cut back to the barest minimum needed for the story.

That's another very plausible explanation for the absence of the prince for the biggest part of the film. I believe you're right about the limits the animators' draftmanship posed. However, I have never before read about that love triangle-storyline, but I'm glad it was cut from the film. I could see how Walt Disney would have included it at one point in the script/storyboard for the movie, but I doubt he would have kept it in in a later stadium, even *if* he had artists who could draw a male human lead believable enough. The way the story works, there's really no room for a bigger role for the prince.

By the way, I don't think prince Philip has a big or interesting role either. Sure, his role is bigger than the two princes before him, but ultimately he only serves as a 'prop' to save Sleeping Beauty. Sorry, Philip-fan!

[ajmrowland]

I don't think it was so much as Walt thought the Prince's story was unnecessary, as just it was his animator's draftsmenship being the problem. Walt for many years wanted to always exapnd the prince's role and personality in his films, however he always felt that his animators could not yet animate a human male lead convincing enough. [...] From every source I've read, the main reason why the Prince's love triangle story with Snow White and the Queen, and his capture and near drowning were cut from the picture was because Walt was dissatisified with the animators' result of the Prince. I think Walt always knew the Prince was an essential part of the story (hence why he wanted the plotline between him and the Queen, which was even included in a comic book version of the story), but his own personal dissapointment in the animation results of the character led to him being cut back to the barest minimum needed for the story.

That's another very plausible explanation for the absence of the prince for the biggest part of the film. I believe you're right about the limits the animators' draftmanship posed. However, I have never before read about that love triangle-storyline, but I'm glad it was cut from the film. I could see how Walt Disney would have included it at one point in the script/storyboard for the movie, but I doubt he would have kept it in in a later stadium, even *if* he had artists who could draw a male human lead believable enough. The way the story works, there's really no room for a bigger role for the prince.

Well, it's all part of the progression of the male heroes/princes from Bland to Grand.

By the way, I don't think prince Philip has a big or interesting role either. Sure, his role is bigger than the two princes before him, but ultimately he only serves as a 'prop' to save Sleeping Beauty. Sorry, Philip-fan!

[ajmrowland]

I don't think it was so much as Walt thought the Prince's story was unnecessary, as just it was his animator's draftsmenship being the problem. Walt for many years wanted to always exapnd the prince's role and personality in his films, however he always felt that his animators could not yet animate a human male lead convincing enough. [...] From every source I've read, the main reason why the Prince's love triangle story with Snow White and the Queen, and his capture and near drowning were cut from the picture was because Walt was dissatisified with the animators' result of the Prince. I think Walt always knew the Prince was an essential part of the story (hence why he wanted the plotline between him and the Queen, which was even included in a comic book version of the story), but his own personal dissapointment in the animation results of the character led to him being cut back to the barest minimum needed for the story.

That's another very plausible explanation for the absence of the prince for the biggest part of the film. I believe you're right about the limits the animators' draftmanship posed. However, I have never before read about that love triangle-storyline, but I'm glad it was cut from the film. I could see how Walt Disney would have included it at one point in the script/storyboard for the movie, but I doubt he would have kept it in in a later stadium, even *if* he had artists who could draw a male human lead believable enough. The way the story works, there's really no room for a bigger role for the prince.



By the way, I don't think prince Philip has a big or interesting role either. Sure, his role is bigger than the two princes before him, but ultimately he only serves as a 'prop' to save Sleeping Beauty. Sorry, Philip-fan!

Well, it's all part of the progression of the male heroes/princes from Bland to Grand.

[PrincePhillipFan]

That's another very plausible explanation for the absence of the prince for the biggest part of the film. I believe you're right about the limits the animators' draftmanship posed. However, I have never before read about that love triangle-storyline, but I'm glad it was cut from the film. I could see how Walt Disney would have included it at one point in the script/storyboard for the movie, but I doubt he would have kept it in in a later stadium, even *if* he had artists who could draw a male human lead believable enough. The way the story works, there's really no room for a bigger role for the prince.

By the way, I don't think prince Philip has a big or interesting role either. Sure, his role is bigger than the two princes before him, but ultimately he only serves as a 'prop' to save Sleeping Beauty. Sorry, Philip-fan!

Perhaps so, but of all the accounts I read, the Prince's story was pretty far along and almost all completely storyboarded, but scrapped soon after the early animation. Btw, for an excellent resource on both the production of Snow White, as well as the theme park dark rides of Snow White, I highly recommend this page. You can find information on the Prince/Queen story under the Scariest section.

http://www.kennetti.fi/swdb_english.html

And about Phillip, just to each his own. I always found him to be one of the most interesting of the Disney male leads, and he's instilled more personality and good humor than the previous two, as well as more action and development with the other characters. I think however more than anything Aurora herself is the prop of her own film. Her character is the one with the least development, and the actions of the fairies, Phillip, and Maleficent affect her, rather than her actively participating in anything besides falling in love.

[Disney's Divinity]

I've never heard of that love triangle idea before either. And I don't know why Walt would want to cut it--it sounds like, if that storyline had been included, this movie would be much more interesting. That sounds more like a comment of personal taste rather than an actual reflection on Walt's opinions.

Anyway, I think PrincePhillip_Fan was really just pointing out how Phillip is the first prince to get a role as large as, if not larger than, the princess of the film. Aurora herself is a prop in SB, with the four fairies becoming the central characters.

EDIT: Sorry! I opened a post like an hour ago and forgot to go back to it 'til just now. So, this is kind of pointless now...

[PrincePhillipFan]

Anyway, I think PrincePhillip_Fan was really just pointing out how Phillip is the first prince to get a role as large as, if not larger than, the princess of the film. Aurora herself is a prop in SB, with the four fairies becoming the central characters.

EDIT: Sorry! I opened a post like an hour ago and forgot to go back to it 'til just now. So, this is kind of pointless now...

No need to be sorry, Divinity! I think you helped clear up what I was trying to state earlier.

I was just pointing out that Phillip is really the first prince to have an expanded role, but mostly to only add to the point that Walt himself always thought the prince was an important character and never just a prop character. This can be seen as Walt wanting to have the love triangle in Snow White, as well as mention of wanting to have an establishing introduction scene to Prince Charming in Cinderella with a deer, but that hit the cutting room floor as well.

When it came time for Sleeping Beauty though, Walt insisted that the prince and the fairies to have expanded roles in the story. To quote Disney historian Jeff Kurtti from the 2003 commentary: "One of the ways Disney made Sleeping Beauty different was to emphasize the character of the prince. Walt had minimized the Prince in Snow White because the draftsmenship was rather crude. Since his animators' skills had improved over the years, Walt felt confident in expanding the prince's role and enhancing his personality."

Also this quote from the gallery commentary, again on the 2003 DVD. "Previous Disney princes had come off as rather stiff. Since the Sleeping Beauty prince had more of the story to carry than his predecessors, Walt Disney insisted that Prince Phillip was to be as real as possible, 'near flesh and blood.' Directing animator Milt Kahl gave Phillip an ease and sense of humor, as well as bravery and nobility."

So, I don't think Walt ever saw the character of the princes in his stories simply as props or unnecessary, as evident by his insistence on their expanding of roles. It's true that maybe the love triangle story in Snow White might have been cut eventually because he might later deem it extraneous (such as the Music In Your Soup sequence), but I think Walt always felt the character of the prince or male lead in his stories were vital and important as any other.

[my chicken is infected]

I'm positive this won't be included, but I'd love for Disney to include the full show of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUdeo2wjEmw

I didn't actually see Snow White the film until its VHS release in 1994, and until then, this was the version I grew up with.

I think legal issues have kept it from being available period. I think it had to do with something about the performers only getting paid for the HBO broadcasts and not home video sales. (Disney released a video of it in the early 80's, but it's long out of print and VERY rare these days. I'd love to get my hands on it and convert it to DVD, but until then, my DVD of my 2nd generation VHS dub from one of the original broadcasts will have to do.)

[Deco King]

Check out lighthousemike's post and see the magnificent photographs from the trailer for the Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs Platinum Edition on this Pinocchio thread :

http://www.ultimatedisney.com/forum/vie ... c&start=40

It looks great - absolutely beautiful - I just can't wait until October 2009 to see the whole beautifully remastered motion picture , and what new exciting extras Disney have unearthed!

[disneyfella]

I actually have a pretty good DVD copy of "Snow White Live", but would definitely appreciate it on the upcoming Platinum release. Also there were a few other television specials that would easily fit as well including "The Fairest of Them All" and "The Golden Anniversary of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs".

I have a literally perfect copy of "The Golden Anniversary of SWSD", but can't find anyone who has even heard of the early 1980s tv special "The Fairest of the Them All" and so would definitely perfer this special if only one would be added.

On top of that I'd also like a more in depth "Disney Through the Decades" including more trailers and TV spots for each release.

Otherwise, I'd like all the original bonus features ported over from the DVD release.

[my chicken is infected]

^ How would one go about getting a copy of those specials you have on DVD from you? If that one is the one with Linda Ronstadt singing one of the songs, my uncle would DEFINITELY love it just to have a HQ video of her portion. (He really fanboys for Linda.)

I'd like more trailers and TV spots for Snow too, such as ALL the Platinum Edition trailers, (I hated that they only had the villains one.) the 1983 trailer, and I don't think they had a trailer at all from the 70's.