Is Disney Done with DVD? (The Never Ending Blu-Ray Debate)

[ajmrowland]

...because, as we all know, BlueRay isn't catching on with the general public...

Liar. Blu-Ray is ahead of where DVD was in terms of adoption rate after debut.

Again. So was PS3's sales in relation to the PS2's sales. Now the PS3 will be lucky to get a fraction of the PS2's sales in the end.

Uh, right. But we're talking worldwide sales, in addition to US. Believe it or not, the 360 doesn't do too hot outside the US and Canada, so you can't base speculation on the sales within a single region.

And what Rudy Matt says is true. Almost 20% of the market combined is made up by Blu-ray disc sales, with not signs of slowing, whatsoever. It is, in fact speeding up. Every home theater site says those exact things, and they are in the hundreds.

[The_Iceflash]

Again. So was PS3's sales in relation to the PS2's sales. Now the PS3 will be lucky to get a fraction of the PS2's sales in the end.

Uh, right. But we're talking worldwide sales, in addition to US. Believe it or not, the 360 doesn't do too hot outside the US and Canada, so you can't base speculation on the sales within a single region.

And what Rudy Matt says is true. Almost 20% of the market combined is made up by Blu-ray disc sales, with not signs of slowing, whatsoever. It is, in fact speeding up. Every home theater site says those exact things, and they are in the hundreds.

I was talking about worldwide sales.

[ajmrowland]

Uh, right. But we're talking worldwide sales, in addition to US. Believe it or not, the 360 doesn't do too hot outside the US and Canada, so you can't base speculation on the sales within a single region.

And what Rudy Matt says is true. Almost 20% of the market combined is made up by Blu-ray disc sales, with not signs of slowing, whatsoever. It is, in fact speeding up. Every home theater site says those exact things, and they are in the hundreds.

I was talking about worldwide sales.

[Goliath]

...because, as we all know, BlueRay isn't catching on with the general public...

Liar. Blu-Ray is ahead of where DVD was in terms of adoption rate after debut.

"Liar"? Do you have a personal stake in this?

BlueRay isn't catching on. Period. You may compare it to DVD's adoption rate (although I'll just have to assume you don't pull that out of your ass, since you provide no source), but that still doesn't mean a thing.

[ajmrowland]

...because, as we all know, BlueRay isn't catching on with the general public...

Liar. Blu-Ray is ahead of where DVD was in terms of adoption rate after debut.

"Liar"? Do you have a personal stake in this?

BlueRay isn't catching on. Period. You may compare it to DVD's adoption rate (although I'll just have to assume you don't pull that out of your ass, since you provide no source), but that still doesn't mean a thing.

[url]ttp://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2008/10/25/blu-ray-quickly-catching-up-to-dvd-in-japan/[/url]

http://www.engadgethd.com/2009/02/02/bl ... -australia

http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/20 ... ing-sales/

http://topnews.us/content/21139-blu-ray ... ing-europe

http://www.amazon.com/tag/hd%20dvd/foru ... QGYJC9CJ04

There's tons more where that came from.

[Goliath]

http://www.amazon.com/tag/hd%20dvd/foru ... QGYJC9CJ04

Yeah, of course BluRay-players are being sold far more than DVD-players: everybody already *has* a DVD-player! The fact that more BD-players are being sold than DVD-players doesn't mean most people own a BD-player. Only a very small minority of people own one. And BD-disc sales are still far, far behind DVD-disc sales.

[ajmrowland]

http://www.amazon.com/tag/hd%20dvd/foru ... QGYJC9CJ04

Yeah, of course BluRay-players are being sold far more than DVD-players: everybody already *has* a DVD-player! The fact that more BD-players are being sold than DVD-players doesn't mean most people own a BD-player. Only a very small minority of people own one. And BD-disc sales are still far, far behind DVD-disc sales.

Yeah, of course! And nobody's denying that BDs sales are far behind DVD disc sales. Look at the other links.

[yukitora]

Goliath finally dropped the e in "BlueRay". Just add the hyphen and you're there

[gregmasciola]

It's funny how it seems like almost every discussion turns into another debate about Blu-Ray.

[lighthousemike]

I can say one thing thing about the blu-ray talk

Only one who has not seen or does not own a blu-ray is talking bad about the format.

FACT

once youve blu-rayed - there is no way back!!!

Now Disney and Pixar with their bd titles like Cars, Sleeping Beauty, Wall-e and now Pinochio - is why Blu-ray had to be invented.

i bow to you both BD and Disney

And if anyone here does not own a proper Blu-ray and a 1080p HDTV - save your dollars, dont buy any regular dvd - and grab them both as soon as you can!!!


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I should host screenings in my place for these previews im doing - i wish you could all live in Manhattan - now how much fun wouyld that be.

[Rudy Matt]

"Liar"? Do you have a personal stake in this?

You've got some kind of splinter up your butt about Blu-Ray, and I'm sick of it. "As we all know, Blu-Ray isn't catching on and isn't likely to." That's a lie. You're either ignorant, or you're intentionally spreading lies about the format. So you're either a fool, or you're a liar. I don't think you're a fool, because you have a level head on other subjects. So I can only assume the latter.

[CornyCollins]

I can say one thing thing about the blu-ray talk

Only one who has not seen or does not own a blu-ray is talking bad about the format.

FACT

once youve blu-rayed - there is no way back!!!

Now Disney and Pixar with their bd titles like Cars, Sleeping Beauty, Wall-e and now Pinochio - is why Blu-ray had to be invented.

i bow to you both BD and Disney

And if anyone here does not own a proper Blu-ray and a 1080p HDTV - save your dollars, dont buy any regular dvd - and grab them both as soon as you can!!!

Disney Blu-Ray's are amazing - all of them. I agree with you.

[ajmrowland]

I can say one thing thing about the blu-ray talk

Only one who has not seen or does not own a blu-ray is talking bad about the format.

FACT

once youve blu-rayed - there is no way back!!!

Now Disney and Pixar with their bd titles like Cars, Sleeping Beauty, Wall-e and now Pinochio - is why Blu-ray had to be invented.

i bow to you both BD and Disney

And if anyone here does not own a proper Blu-ray and a 1080p HDTV - save your dollars, dont buy any regular dvd - and grab them both as soon as you can!!!


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I should host screenings in my place for these previews im doing - i wish you could all live in Manhattan - now how much fun wouyld that be.

Hell, Yeah! That's what I've been thinking for the last 6 months! I've also been wanting to host screenings. I've only had one of the Polar Express, and I brought TDK to a friend's house once, and even though it was on a smaller 720p screen, the difference was still there.

[drfsupercenter]

Only one who has not seen or does not own a blu-ray is talking bad about the format.

FACT

once youve blu-rayed - there is no way back!!!

Wrong. I have both an HDTV (50", made by Panasonic) and a Blu-Ray player (PS3, in fact). And I still buy DVDs.

I know that scientifically and mathematically Blu-Ray is higher quality than DVD. But that doesn't always mean it's noticeable. Some movies I have seen on Blu-Ray do indeed look better than the DVDs - for example, Iron Man and Transformers.
However, a few others weren't noticeable at all. I rented the Blu-Ray of I, Robot... and I put the DVD in my Xbox 360's HD-DVD drive. I flipped back and forth between both HDMI inputs, and it looked exactly the same. The Blu-Ray might have cooler menus but the actual movie looked identical to me from my couch (which is about 10 feet away). I realize it looks pixelated up close, but who watches movies standing a foot from such a large TV?
There are several other DVDs that aren't on Blu-Ray that look simply amazing. I need to take some pictures of upscaled Family Guy - because you'd swear it *was* HD. I actually stood right in front of the TV, and there wasn't the slightest pixelation or blur to it. I should do blind tests with people and have them try to guess whether something is DVD or Blu-Ray just by looking at the screen and not knowing anything else about it (like what player I'm using) - and you'd be surprised how many people would guess wrong.

So the point of that lengthy rant is that Blu-Ray is not always a needed upgrade. When they start making dual-format Blu-Rays (I know some are being planned), I may start buying them. But for the time being, when a movie is newly released (if I plan on buying it at all), I'll buy the DVD. Because I have 3 other TVs in the house, and I love my portable DVD player that I can take with me on the go. If I need to watch a movie in HD (like some where the DVD transfers are exceptionally bad - such as Signs, which I just rented last week), I'll go to Blockbuster and rent the Blu-Ray for free (we have the Total Access plan that lets you get unlimited rentals for a monthly price)

I know its taken from a camera, but that seems to blast apart all the fretting and teeth-gnashing over the "pink candle" and "too bright" nonsense.

And you're trusting the camera to preserve the accurate colors of a source? I happen to know for fact that the PS3 has different color modes *even for Blu-Rays*, and the colors can be drastically off just by changing it. I'm curious if lighthousemike has Super White turned on, and the Full RGB spectrum, or just the default settings which kinda make colors look dull.
That DVD screencap did indeed have the pink flame, and I'd bet that the Blu-Ray does too. Maybe a little different (like Sleeping Beauty), but both have the same restoration and therefore I think the DVD screencap is a more accurate reference at this point than a camera picture.

[ajmrowland]

Only one who has not seen or does not own a blu-ray is talking bad about the format.

FACT

once youve blu-rayed - there is no way back!!!

Wrong. I have both an HDTV (50", made by Panasonic) and a Blu-Ray player (PS3, in fact). And I still buy DVDs.

I know that scientifically and mathematically Blu-Ray is higher quality than DVD. But that doesn't always mean it's noticeable. Some movies I have seen on Blu-Ray do indeed look better than the DVDs - for example, Iron Man and Transformers.
However, a few others weren't noticeable at all. I rented the Blu-Ray of I, Robot... and I put the DVD in my Xbox 360's HD-DVD drive. I flipped back and forth between both HDMI inputs, and it looked exactly the same. The Blu-Ray might have cooler menus but the actual movie looked identical to me from my couch (which is about 10 feet away). I realize it looks pixelated up close, but who watches movies standing a foot from such a large TV?
There are several other DVDs that aren't on Blu-Ray that look simply amazing. I need to take some pictures of upscaled Family Guy - because you'd swear it *was* HD. I actually stood right in front of the TV, and there wasn't the slightest pixelation or blur to it. I should do blind tests with people and have them try to guess whether something is DVD or Blu-Ray just by looking at the screen and not knowing anything else about it (like what player I'm using) - and you'd be surprised how many people would guess wrong.

So the point of that lengthy rant is that Blu-Ray is not always a needed upgrade. When they start making dual-format Blu-Rays (I know some are being planned), I may start buying them. But for the time being, when a movie is newly released (if I plan on buying it at all), I'll buy the DVD. Because I have 3 other TVs in the house, and I love my portable DVD player that I can take with me on the go. If I need to watch a movie in HD (like some where the DVD transfers are exceptionally bad - such as Signs, which I just rented last week), I'll go to Blockbuster and rent the Blu-Ray for free (we have the Total Access plan that lets you get unlimited rentals for a monthly price)

What resolution is your tv at? Even the Pixar films boast a noticeable difference. I can tell that on a 47" Toshiba, and I'm no videophile.

As for I, Robot, I redirect you to this.
http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/613/irobot.html
"Stomps the original DVD"
Unless there was a DVD rerelease to coincide with the blu-ray one, the only excuse I could come up with for that guy is having a projector screen.

[drfsupercenter]

It's at 1080p.

I'm not a n00b when it comes to connections - my PS3 and Xbox 360 are both using HDMI and will display up to 1080p depending on the source (The PS3 is kinda notorious for not upscaling non-HD extras on Blu-Rays)

As far as I, Robot is concerned - the guy is obviously comparing them using a computer. Because in order to talk about how stuff has no grain, whatever, you have to be looking at the actual frames.
There is only one DVD that I know of - unless the single disc and 2-disc have different transfers. (I have the 2-disc version)

I'm not saying the Blu-Ray didn't look great, I'm saying the DVD also did. Maybe the people reviewing/comparing don't have good upscaling equipment. (And using a projector should negate the need for upscaling... projectors are a ton better than HDTVs as they aren't so resolution-dependent like the TVs are... provided you have a GOOD projector, at least)

I haven't seen any Pixar movies on Blu-Ray so I can't comment on those. I've heard nothing but praise for Wall-E, but then again I've never watched the standard DVD on my HDTV either. Like I said, some films look better, others don't. Pixar would make sense as they're known for elaborate 3D animation - but not all animated movies would look different (as I already said, 2D animated shows like Family Guy look great upscaled)

[Matt]

I am just upset that Blu ray is still so much more money than DVD. It has dropped only a little in my opinion. What is the point of buying a PS3 when I do not even play games?!?! that would be a waste of money right there. I know you can download movies to it and what not, but it's just to much.

I buy the DVD's still cause I have a DVD Rom cause I like to rip the movie, and sometimes I make copies of the movie so I do not wear out the DVD you know? I also like to make other music videos from different clips.

Now the Blu Ray has a DVD cope of the movie but it doesn't have the 2nd Disc. I want to be able to watch the 2nd disc and be able to burn some things on my computer to.

The drives for Blu Ray burns are almost 400 dollars! ughh so much

[Goliath]

Goliath finally dropped the e in "BlueRay". Just add the hyphen and you're there

Oooh, if only I cared...

It's funny how it seems like almost every discussion turns into another debate about Blu-Ray.

Especially since we got a terrific 12-page long thread about DVD vs. BluRay, called 'Is Disney done with DVD?' (You can search for it!)

"Liar"? Do you have a personal stake in this?

You've got some kind of splinter up your butt about Blu-Ray, and I'm sick of it. "As we all know, Blu-Ray isn't catching on and isn't likely to." That's a lie. You're either ignorant, or you're intentionally spreading lies about the format. So you're either a fool, or you're a liar. I don't think you're a fool, because you have a level head on other subjects. So I can only assume the latter.

Yes, you have issues. I mean, seriously, is THIS a normal way to talk to someone you disagree with over a frickin' FORMAT???? "Spreading lies"? Yeah, that's what I have dedicated my life to.

Dude, you scare me with this kind of talk. Really.

[CampbellzSoup]

I am just upset that Blu ray is still so much more money than DVD. It has dropped only a little in my opinion. What is the point of buying a PS3 when I do not even play games?!?! that would be a waste of money right there. I know you can download movies to it and what not, but it's just to much.

I buy the DVD's still cause I have a DVD Rom cause I like to rip the movie, and sometimes I make copies of the movie so I do not wear out the DVD you know? I also like to make other music videos from different clips.

Now the Blu Ray has a DVD cope of the movie but it doesn't have the 2nd Disc. I want to be able to watch the 2nd disc and be able to burn some things on my computer to.

The drives for Blu Ray burns are almost 400 dollars! ughh so much

PS3 has qutie a few great games to play, and heck I'm a fairly sparse game player. My first DVD player was almost 300 bucks when they first came out, and DVDs for new releases rival some of amazon's new Blu Ray prices.

I understand if some people don't have the equipment or money to indulge in blu ray, but we really don't need to hear your opinios about it in every thread concerning Blu Ray.

[Goliath]

I understand if some people don't have the equipment or money to indulge in blu ray,

Oh, I do, my friend, it's just that I don't buy into something I don't need.

but we really don't need to hear your opinios about it in every thread concerning Blu Ray.

Just like other peoplefind it annoying to hear BluRay-fanboys raving about it in every other thread, not even those concerning BluRay, but *every* thread! But we don't call those people names, now do we?