Beauty & the Beast original colors - in upcoming platinu

[Beast_enchantment]

How does this sound?

"Dear Walt Disney Home Entertainment:

On behalf of the forum members of Ultimate Disney.com, I would like to apologize for the recent actions by others members who believe that the 1992 VHS videotape version of Beauty and the Beast represents the "true" version of the film, or the version approved of by the original creative team. These people have watched their VHS and laserdisc versions so many times they have convinced themselves that the image seen on those videotapes and laserdiscs is the true look of the movie. Incredbly, these people are asking that the 1992 transfer be made available on the upcoming Blu-Ray release. They can't wrap their minds around the fact that the trailers and tv promos were struck from a similar analog source, and they are screaming bloody murder.

Also, without any proof to back this up, they are claiming the movie was censored.

Notcie their language: "If the movie was changed for the Special Edition release in any way"....in any way? Then they list the following grocery list: "other than the "Human Again" sequence...with a direct port of the original CAPS files...and the colors as they were shown in theaters during the initial release, along with what you did for the Special Edition."

Can you make sense of all that?
Then they ask: "If, in any case the original CAPS files are unavailable, then we request a statement as to why they were changed in the first place."

Sirs, we request you ignore this petition as it is the result of paranoid reactionary emotional uninformed analog-loving nonsense."

Any Criticism on my grammar is very well appreciated.

Not bad. Just lose the apology and the request to ignore the petition and the paranoid reactionary emotional uninformed analog-loving nonsense bit and I think it's good to go!

[Anton Ego]

When I was in first grade the teacher stood the class in a line against the wall and whispered a "secret" to a student at one end of the line with instructions to "pass it on" in the same manner. The results were illuminating.

I haven't thought about that exercise since I was in college 20 years ago (under completely unrelated circumstances having to do with the incestuous nature of college theater), but this discussion has given me occasion to reflect upon it.

And as regards all discussion of film presentation, post-processing, mastering, et cetera, I feel compelled to observe that one would do best to maintain a healthy portion of perspective regarding the value of a Google U education: the internet is a grand and glorious thing, but it cannot teach one to make a proper southern-style buttermilk biscuit.

[drfsupercenter]

On behalf of the forum members of Ultimate Disney.com, I would like to apologize for the recent actions by others members who believe that the 1992 VHS videotape version of Beauty and the Beast represents the "true" version of the film, or the version approved of by the original creative team.

Obviously the 1992 transfer was approved by the original creative team too.
And who says directors can't also be blinded by the leet? We already know Don Hahn is a liar, who else might be? They can say whatever they want on the box, that doesn't mean it was actually anybody's true intentions.

[my chicken is infected]

I don't understand why certain people are resorting to insults, digs, jabs, and just flat out rude comments to each other over the colors of a frickin' movie as presented on various video sources? Seriously, it's not that deep. Let people bitch about the lightened up colors, enjoy their VHS/laserdisc copies, enjoy their DVDs with the lightened up colors, etc. It's not like they're running over your dog or your mama when they do it.

[Jack Skellington]

I don't understand why certain people are resorting to insults, digs, jabs, and just flat out rude comments to each other over the colors of a frickin' movie as presented on various video sources? Seriously, it's not that deep. Let people bitch about the lightened up colors, enjoy their VHS/laserdisc copies, enjoy their DVDs with the lightened up colors, etc. It's not like they're running over your dog or your mama when they do it.

You should do public speaking on youtube, people are crazy over there !

[ajmrowland]

I don't understand why certain people are resorting to insults, digs, jabs, and just flat out rude comments to each other over the colors of a frickin' movie as presented on various video sources? Seriously, it's not that deep. Let people bitch about the lightened up colors, enjoy their VHS/laserdisc copies, enjoy their DVDs with the lightened up colors, etc. It's not like they're running over your dog or your mama when they do it.

^I'm with you. I've given up on that petition Long before Rudy Matt quoted me on it.

[Disney Duster]

2009net, and nomad2010, you can change the restored screencaps to make them look a good amount like the old ones, but you do still see they are not the same? Like, usually, things that are bright will be brighter and things that are dark will be darker in the old ones, like more contrast actually, than the altered restored clips you change, which become more middle ground. But even if you don't think that, they are still not the same, and the point is, we want the original way they looked. Obviously we can change the restored versions to imitate the originals a lot, but we want, and I think we deserve, the original, and Walt and all his artists would want us to see the originals.

Hmm... really? I hadn't heard any complaints about it before like I have BatB and TLK. Know where there are any screenshots? As now I'm curious...

Take a looky: http://www.ultimatedisney.com/forum/vie ... c&start=20

Interestingly, one page says, among other info, "Under the direction of the original animators, characters in some scenes were redrawn, adding more facial details to match the sharper DVD image quality."

Guess what? Since they actually re-drew, added detail, or otherwise enchanced for the IMAX release, saying they did it for the "sharper DVD image quality" is a lie. So Disney may be caught in a lie right there, unless they said they were thinking of the DVD also when they did it. Well, I was just trying to show everyone what Disney says ain't always true...or at least is suspicious. Not to mention saying The Lion King on DVD has the original theatrical version but it has been clearly proven not to be and so that was a sure lie.

Also in that link I posted, it showed the cleaned up backgrounds. If you need help, look at the curtains and mirror:



But the ones like on the top, those original, wrecked castle backgrounds, were on the DVD's "original theatrical version" right?

Anyway, looky at this. The DVD doesn't even match the IMAX poster!:
http://www.moviegoods.com/movie_item.as ... %2EA%2Ejpg

Or this still from I think the original release:
http://www.moviegoods.com/movie_item.as ... %2EA%2Ejpg

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[ajmrowland]

The IMAX Poster images do seem to have part of the restoration visible, particularly the one with belle and the dandelions.

[my chicken is infected]

You should do public speaking on youtube, people are crazy over there !

With some of the boards I'm on, I'm used to heated arguments over what eventually amounts to nothing.

I'm not knocking anyone personally. I like everyone on this board. And I won't lie and say I've never bitched about the lightened up colors on the DVD. It doesn't really ruin it for me per se, but I do miss the original darker colors from the VHS/laserdisc version. (In fact, I had drfsupercenter link me to that LD rip AVI so I could burn it onto a DVD and have a DVD copy of the OTV. But I still intend to watch the Special Edition on my DVD as well, simply cause I enjoy that version.) But some of you really started getting VERY personal with your arguments. I'm looking at you, Rudy Matt. Were sentences like "Sirs, we request you ignore this petition as it is the result of paranoid reactionary emotional uninformed analog-loving nonsense" REALLY necessary?

*gets off my soapbox*

[Dottie]

Actually, yes, the wrecked backgrounds are on the DVD. At least they are on the German DVD.

[drfsupercenter]

But the wrecked backgrounds are still way brighter? LOL

[Flanger-Hanger]

But the wrecked backgrounds are still way brighter? LOL

'Cause the director's wanted it like that? Wait, I forgot, they didn't post overly emotional responses on an internet forum so they don't have the right to an opinion.

[Beast_enchantment]

I've never seen this advertisement for the 2001 PE DVD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEykz55o ... re=related

Funnily enough, the footage they've used is from the original OTV version of the film
How lovely it looks!

[Marky_198]

Exactly Disney Duster!
It's changed, they are still not the same, and the point is, we want the original way they looked.

People that don't care have no respect for the original versions.
They might have respect for the creators (who may live or are dead), to change their views after many, many years, but that has nothing to do with the original film.
The film how it first came out is what the filmmakers wanted and intended, at that time, and under that circumstances.

And filmmakers like that have no respect for their own film either, and not for the audiences.

And Beast_enchantment, wonderful clip!
Suddenly the film looks "alive" again instead of a saturday morning cartoon.

[drfsupercenter]

'Cause the director's wanted it like that? Wait, I forgot, they didn't post overly emotional responses on an internet forum so they don't have the right to an opinion.

The directors may want it that way, but they have no right to try to replace the OTV.

They can <strike>mess up</strike> change the special edition as much as they want, but any film director crosses the line when they try to replace the OTV with something else.

[Flanger-Hanger]

but any film director crosses the line when they try to replace the OTV with something else.

I suppose they do but the film still sold well on DVD and the directors are clearly happy with it. It's a win win situation for Disney and I'm sorry you and other are such sore losers (and what exactly did you lose anyway? Nothing it's not your film and you have zero entitlement to anything, this whole discussion is a unfunny joke).

[drfsupercenter]

I didn't say I DO have any right to anything.

That's why I'm trying to make a professional-looking DVD out of my laserdisc transfer.

The reason the DVD sold so well is probably because most people didn't see anything wrong with it... plus it's a DAC, it'll always do well. Little kids aren't gonna care about colors.

But if Disney thought nobody would notice they were clearly off.

I mean, why do you think so many people hate George Lucas? (And there's even the "original trilogy" forum with hundreds of people trying to make their own fan-DVDs) It's because he's doing what Disney did with BatB and TLK, constantly trying to "fix" the OTV and not paying any regard to the people who liked it the way it was.

[Flanger-Hanger]

The reason the DVD sold so well is probably because most people didn't see anything wrong with it... plus it's a DAC, it'll always do well. Little kids aren't gonna care about colors.

But if Disney thought nobody would notice they were clearly off.

I mean, why do you think so many people hate George Lucas? (And there's even the "original trilogy" forum with hundreds of people trying to make their own fan-DVDs) It's because he's doing what Disney did with BatB and TLK, constantly trying to "fix" the OTV and not paying any regard to the people who liked it the way it was.

So that makes you better than the people who like it now, don't care or still do like it, as with chickenisinfected?

Also George added scenes re-did effects and took "tweaking" to a whole new level. The creative team behind Beauty just changed the level of the colours. They kept the endless goofs in the animation or backgrounds themselves, kept the dialouge, the music and voices are the same etc, hell they even put back the skulls in Gaston's eyes that were taken out for the VHS/laserdisc. To compare this to the Star Wars special editions is laughable and just shows how you and others can't possibly be taken seriously by anyone.

Of all the awful things Disney has both done and not done in all the areas of it's company this past decade, the colours on BatB should be your last concern and worrying about them is a waste of yours and Disney's time.

[Matt]

I've never seen this advertisement for the 2001 PE DVD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEykz55o ... re=related

Funnily enough, the footage they've used is from the original OTV version of the film
How lovely it looks!

This was played at the Disney Stores the time of the release. I've always wanted this version on DVD.

[Beast_enchantment]

I've never seen this advertisement for the 2001 PE DVD:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEykz55o ... re=related

Funnily enough, the footage they've used is from the original OTV version of the film
How lovely it looks!

This was played at the Disney Stores the time of the release. I've always wanted this version on DVD.

If you liked the way the film was originally, then, trust me you don't