A rant about the Academy Awards

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A rant about the Academy Awards

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Well, the ceremony will happen sometime this month so I decided to write a little rant about it. Feel free to agree or disagree, I won't stop you (but maybe EVE will...).

As its always the case whenever the nominations for the Academy Awards pop up many fans, analysts and industry commentators begin to wonder who they are going to nominate in their respective categories.

This year people wondered if Pixar's Wall-E would get a best film nod because of all the great reviews it has received as well as the maturity of the storyline. I believe they said the same thing about "The Dark Knight". So when the Academy finally announces its nominees none of the mentioned films were nominated for best film (though Wall-E did receive many nominations).

This always happens. Back in 2004, people were wondering if the Academy would consider "The Incredibles", "The Passion of the Christ" and even "Farenheit 9/11" as possible candidates for best picture. Last year, they were talks about "Ratatouille" getting the nod. And history goes on and on and on...

Let's forget about the quality of the films I mentioned and focus on the validity of the "Best Picture" category.

A few years ago, my best friend was talking to another friend about "Batman Begins" and how it should have been nominated for best picture, or at least in any of the big categories (best acting, best script). The other friend turned around and saying "While Batman Begins is a great film, the best picture should be award to dramas, serious films and such". He didn't word it exactly like this, but he summed up the problem with the Academy Awards.

Why are films made? Movies are made to entertain and delight the senses and emotions.

We go see a musical to have our musical tastes enlightened. We see a comedy to laugh and have fun. We go to see an action film to be thrilled. We see a documentary to broaden our minds. Drama films are made to create sympathy towards the characters in the audience. We see scary movies to jump and be shocked. Heck, people see Michael Moore movies to be pissed and angry (whether at the information or at the man himself).

To me "Best Picture" means that X film did this better than any other film in the year. That this film was very well made, the general audience and critics love it and best represents why people go to the movies.

So, if the Academy Awards believes in this and shows it through long montages showcasing everything from B-movies to previous winners why isn't there any variety in the nominees? Why can't Wall-E be best picture? If Christian Bale did a fantastic job as Bruce Wayne/Batman (despite his epic temper tantrums :p) shouldn't he get the nod? If they make a really good, feel good comedy that may have some fart jokes here and there shouldn't it get some nominations, especially if it was well written, directed and shot?

Now, it seems that the "Best Picture" category, as well as the rest of the categories, are created mainly for pretentious, serious films that try hard to win the award than to entertain the audience.

Let's be honest here for a second. Many of these films are made to win awards, not to entertain or gain wide acceptance. Some films hide this fact better than others, but you will see right away that the film was made to gain Oscar gold.

Do you guys remember the episode of "The Simpsons" with Mel Gibson and Homer trying to remake "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington". The heads of the studio told them that they had already bought 5 awards with the film. In a similar joke, "American Dad" had a scene in which Roger the alien makes a mock tear jerker film called "Oscar Gold" and feature the cliches seen in many Oscar worthy films.

These jokes have a hint of truth to them. It seems that the modern Academy Awards are so hung up on awarding only the truly serious films that they are awarding films that don't deserve it, which goes against what the awards are all about; award the films that best delighted audiences and critics worldwide.

Many of these so called "Oscar worthy films" lack heart, honesty and sincerity. They are barely enjoyable and in the worst case scenario you wonder why they are even made. So it bugs me to see these films get chosen to represent the best in cinema when other, far worthy films are snubbed.

So long story short, what I am trying to say is that if the Academy wants to regain some of its credibility they should be more daring in their nominations. Nominate off the wall films, and make this the rule, not the exception.

I know the Academy is capable of this. They nominated "Beauty and the Beast", "The Full Monty", "Silence of the Lambs", "The Lord of the rings trilogy" and many unconventional films, but now this is a rare case.

For the record, I am not saying that EVERY film should be rewarded. Lord knows I will have a heart attack if something like "Disaster Movie" gets nominated in anything. What I mean is that if a film best describes what "Best Picture" is all about it should get nominated, no matter if its an action film, a horror film, an animated film or a musical.

Now that I've said this get ready to agree with me or roast me. I know many of you hold movies to very high regards so I can't to see what you think.

NOTE: The films I mentioned are examples of films I remember being talked about during their nomination years. If you think they aren't worthy of the honor that's your opinion. I am talking about the logic of the best picture category, not if YOU think they deserve it.
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In regards to animated films being nominated for Best Picture, I think "Wall-E" is the only film since "Beauty and the Beast" that would have deserved that nomination. This was a great year for movies all around, and I would have liked to have seen "Wall-E" nominated, but I'm not too surprised that it isn't given the stiff competition. However, if there were 10 nominees in that category, I'm positive that "Wall-E" would have been one of them.

I do feel that "The Dark Knight" got snubbed for Best Picture. However, as I said, it was a really great year for movies. I've seen ALL of the films nominated for Best Picture and I can actually say I really loved them all in different ways. So, in that sense, it's hard to be too sad for The Dark Knight, because though it may be deserving of a best picture nomination, I wouldn't say that any of the films that were selected are undeserving of a nomination.
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I just want to remind everyone once more that this is NOT about the quality of the films and if they should get nominated (regarding the examples I mentioned). This is about how the Academy seems to be stuck in a rut regarding animations and barely dare to nominate films that are different from the standards.

I mean, back in the day family fantasies like "Wizard of Oz" and "Mary Poppins" got nominated and rewarded for their efforts. Nowadays, it would be shocking to see those films best nominated for anything outside of best music and special effects.
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I think the Academy no longer feels "popular" movies are worthy of award status. I stopped watching the Oscars when I had never even HEARD of the nominated films much less seen them.
It wasn't a coincidence that the higest rated Oscar show of recent years was the year Titanic swept the awards.
I was pissed when Brokeback Mountain lost. That was the last year I had even a modicum of interest in these awards.

And you're right... GWTW or Sound of Music or Ben Hur or An American in Paris probably wouldn't even rate a NOMINATION for best picture these days....jmo!

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Well, I have thought about that too and I think a lot of it has to do with the evolution of time. It' true back in the day different kinds of films were nominated for and won best picture all the time. But I feel that today's generation is much different than the generations of the past. I think a big thing that critics look for nowadays in terms of Best Picture is originality. The reason why Slumdog Millionaire is winning so many awards this year, and why it will most likely take the Oscar as well is because it is very original. Sure, there are elements that resonate through the film that can be found in other films, but the story and the way it is told is like something no one has ever seen before. And that is why films like "Crash", "Brokeback Mountain", "No Country For Old Men" and so on keep getting rave review and multiple nominations - they continue to push the envelope and deal with themes of today.

Now, I don't think that means that a film along the lines of "Beauty and the Beast" or "Mary Poppins" will never be nominated again. I love movies of this genre, but in all honesty, I don't think there has been a film like that in a while that has been worthy of a Best Picture nomination.
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Before everyone brings up BatB I'd like to point out that the only reason it got picked was because critics couldn't think of anything better. Look at the other nominations of Rotten tomatoes. Bugsy does have an 88% approval rating but a average rating of 6.9/10. That means an overwhelming majority of critics thought that movie was OK at best. Not exactly the best compliment. The Prince of Tides got a 79% approval rating and an average rating of 6.5/10! The lack of enthusiasm for the other nominees themselves show that the Academy that year was really desperate to pick something. Either to fill 5 slots or to get ratings but in reality that "historical" nomination was a really hollow one. Especially since Beauty wasn't even nominated for stuff like screenplay or director.

Doctor Doolittle got the nomination in 1967 but only because of bribery on the part of 20th Century Fox.

I'm not saying these kinds of films should not be picked, just that only the ones that deserve to should. Wall-E is an example of this but this was a good year for movies from what i hear so I'm not to upset with the choice. Wall-E did get 6 nominations in 6 separate categories, something that no animated feature had done before.

Having said all this I still think the academy did pick some bizarre choices in the past few years but I'm no sure how the 1000s of votes were split up between different options so I can't really judge them properly.
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Flanger-Hanger wrote:Before everyone brings up BatB I'd like to point out that the only reason it got picked was because critics couldn't think of anything better. Look at the other nominations of Rotten tomatoes. Bugsy does have an 88% approval rating but a average rating of 6.9/10. That means an overwhelming majority of critics thought that movie was OK at best. Not exactly the best compliment. The Prince of Tides got a 79% approval rating and an average rating of 6.5/10! The lack of enthusiasm for the other nominees themselves show that the Academy that year was really desperate to pick something. Either to fill 5 slots or to get ratings but in reality that "historical" nomination was a really hollow one. Especially since Beauty wasn't even nominated for stuff like screenplay or director.

Doctor Doolittle got the nomination in 1967 but only because of bribery on the part of 20th Century Fox.

I'm not saying these kinds of films should not be picked, just that only the ones that deserve to should. Wall-E is an example of this but this was a good year for movies from what i hear so I'm not to upset with the choice. Wall-E did get 6 nominations in 6 separate categories, something that no animated feature had done before.

Having said all this I still think the academy did pick some bizarre choices in the past few years but I'm no sure how the 1000s of votes were split up between different options so I can't really judge them properly.
Yeah, I agree that the nomination is now as sweet as it should have been because afterwards much better films were released and none were nominated.

Regarding the audience being different today; to a certain extend I agree. It seems the Academy Awards have gone from awarding the best movies to about giving certain films "prestige". The more a film feels "prestige" the higher the chances are that it will get nominated.
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This was a really good post, and I agreed with everything except...
pap64 wrote:So long story short, what I am trying to say is that if the Academy wants to regain some of its credibility they should be more daring in their nominations. Nominate off the wall films, and make this the rule, not the exception.
It sounds like you're saying they should go out of their way to nominate films that aren't the typical serious prestigious dramas? I think you should change that to nominating whatever's best picture, out of all films released to theaters, as long as they're widely distributed or whatever rules they have.

A bunch of comedies have been nominated before, and won, right? But usually they also had lots, or a good amount of heart and drama also, right? I can understand that.
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The thing that annoys me are the technical awards. I mean really, out of the hundreds of films released this past year, it just so happens that the best movies actually had the best cinematography? or costume design? or sound? or editing?

Why is it that the same 4 or 5 films every year get repeated nominations in the technical categories?

Who's to say that the best costume design wasn't on a film like The Dutchess or Benjamin Button, but a low budget 'B' movie made on a shoestring where every cent counted? That's designing, making do in a budget. It's obvious the academy only watch and consider certain films, when I feel lower budget films which may not get the same results, but do so with resources which would make the large Hollywood professionals have a nervous breakdown, show just as much skill and talent, if not more.

Oh and The Reader being nominated for best film is a joke. Its just a film people THINK that they should nominate because it's "worthy", when really it's empty.
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Disney Duster wrote:This was a really good post, and I agreed with everything except...
pap64 wrote:So long story short, what I am trying to say is that if the Academy wants to regain some of its credibility they should be more daring in their nominations. Nominate off the wall films, and make this the rule, not the exception.
It sounds like you're saying they should go out of their way to nominate films that aren't the typical serious prestigious dramas? I think you should change that to nominating whatever's best picture, out of all films released to theaters, as long as they're widely distributed or whatever rules they have.

A bunch of comedies have been nominated before, and won, right? But usually they also had lots, or a good amount of heart and drama also, right? I can understand that.
I think its a combination of you misreading the quote and me wording my claims differently.

What I mean is that the rule should be that the Academy Awards should award the best films, no matter the genre, the topic, the medium, the director or any other factor. Of course that doesn't mean to exclude drama films. If they deserve it they should get the nod.

I just wish to see more variety in the important categories so their claims that "all films are important" are justified.
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I see the Academy Awards as a huge political correctness festival within Hollywood. If the Oscar stereotype film,actor, or director doesn't win (drama for movies with important names involved, person who's respected in the business). It's the same with any other award show. Except the Oscars HAVE to be PC about everything:

Someone plays a person with special needs=Oscar
Fatal disease survivor=Oscar
Anybody that has been through a tragedy recently=Oscar
Recently deceased=Oscar
Anybody that played anybody that fought the odds against the crowd for rights (in racism, sexism, etc.)=Oscar
Director who directed these people or directed the most succesful drama=Oscar


That's te way it usually plays out. It's not really who did the best performance in whatever film genre. It's not the move that broke the odds. It's the movie, actor, director that plays it safe (Academy Award wise).
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I think the Oscars are pretty pretentious and snobby these days, and I think it's because of all the backlash they got when Titanic, a popcorn movie, won all those awards. Never mind that plenty of popcorn movies have won over the years, now it's actually a problem.

Not only that but I'd be willing to bet money that some of those awards were flat out bought by the studios/winners. :P
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2099net wrote:Oh and The Reader being nominated for best film is a joke. Its just a film people THINK that they should nominate because it's "worthy", when really it's empty.
But if Winslet does end up winning for The Reader she just has to thank Ricky Gervais or at least mention him in some way, because he was right.

Now that would be a great person to host the Oscars, his bit at the Golden Globes was one of the funniest of the whole night.
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my chicken is infected wrote:I think the Oscars are pretty pretentious and snobby these days, and I think it's because of all the backlash they got when Titanic, a popcorn movie, won all those awards. Never mind that plenty of popcorn movies have won over the years, now it's actually a problem.

Not only that but I'd be willing to bet money that some of those awards were flat out bought by the studios/winners. :P
What about the 11 Oscars for Return of the King? Much more recent than Titanic. Don't you consider that a popcorn movie?(I think it is, in the good sense IMO). Belonging to the 'Fantasy' genre, this movie was not a typical oscar-winner. (But being the final instance of a much-hyped - and mostly critically acclaimed- trilogy, the Academy probably felt they could not ignore it any longer)
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