Fantasia/Fantasia 2000 Discussion

[woody8713]

i enjoy fantasia

[MickeyMousePal]

My favorite segments from Fantasia and Fantasia 2000 are:

Fantasia : "Night on Bald Mountain" ,"Sorceror's Apprentice" and "Rite of Spring".

Fantasia 2000 : Segments: "The Steadfast Tin Soldier", "Carnival of the Animals", "The Sorcerer's Apprentice", and "Firebird Suite"

[ohmahaaha]

It'll be a lot easier for me to say the stuff that I didn't like in either film, so here we go:

1) Didn't like the Donald Duck sequence - Pomp & Circumstance - because IMO the story was way too condensed for the amount of time they needed for that musical selection. By that I mean, if I were going to portray the story of Noah, I'd need something longer than Pomp & Circumstance. It was beautifully animated, but I didn't match the story with the music and it could have been longer.

2) Carnival of the Animals - with the flamingo with the yoyo - again, too short - it was good, but I wish it had been longer.

3) The narration between segments on Fantasia 2000 sucked for air. TERRIBLE. It literally almost turned me off on the film for good, but the skip chapter feature on the DVD is much nicer than fast forward on the VCR.

Everything on the original, and everything else on 2000, I loved.

[Loomis]

The only regret is that we do not have an unedited version of the original Fantasia availale on DVD. I can see WHY they chose to remove the offending scene, and it certainly doesn't detract from the film, it would just be nice to have it in a "complete" form.

Uh. Details? <_<

To quote the FAQsection:

"Lastly, while the Fantasia DVD releases preserve the full Roadshow cut, a few brief segments of the "Pastoral Symphony" sequence have been zoomed and digitally edited. For more specifics, Widescreen.org has an article here(rant warning!)".

Basicaly, it is pastoral Symphony section. From Widescreen.org:
"These scenes occurred almost entirely in The Pastoral Symphony segment and involve black centaur servants assisting white centaurettes."
If you go to this linkthey have quite a few details. The scenes are "digitally zoomed" so as to remove any traces of the black centaurs.

[Captain Hook]

I enjoyed Fantasia 2000 much much better than the first one; it just didn't hold my interest and being edited makes me less likely to buy it!

Hook

[Grunches]

The thing is some say too short some say too long some say just right. Others say take out, others say leave, or others say change a little. Disney can't please every single one of us. We all have our different tastes in movies and ideas for the movies. It just how we view the movie ourselves.

[Son of the Morning]

Uh. Details? <_<

To quote the FAQsection:

"Lastly, while the Fantasia DVD releases preserve the full Roadshow cut, a few brief segments of the "Pastoral Symphony" sequence have been zoomed and digitally edited. For more specifics, Widescreen.org has an article here(rant warning!)".

Basicaly, it is pastoral Symphony section. From Widescreen.org:
"These scenes occurred almost entirely in The Pastoral Symphony segment and involve black centaur servants assisting white centaurettes."
If you go to this linkthey have quite a few details. The scenes are "digitally zoomed" so as to remove any traces of the black centaurs.

... now I wish I didn't know, because that annoys the absolute f*** out of me.

[wwwjim]

Since these films are as much about the music as the visuals, I have to lean toward my favorite being the original Fantasia -- I believe it has the stronger musical selections.

[Bashful]

I love both of the Fantasias, although I feel I SHOULD appreciate the original more for its age and imaginative animation.

My favourite sections are Night on Bald Mountain and Nutcracker from Fantasia, and Pines of Rome from Fantasia 2000.

I was wondering since so many of those who like Rhapsody in Blue most seem to be Americans, if there is a preference to American composers. Do you have a more emotional relationship with the said piece than with the others? There would be nothing wrong with that, of course. It would just be interesting to know. Personally, being a Finn, I would have LOVED to see Sibelius' Swan of Tuonela in the original Fantasia (as was planned at some point during the development), Sibelius being the national composer of Finland and all...

[2099net]

1) Didn't like the Donald Duck sequence - Pomp & Circumstance - because IMO the story was way too condensed for the amount of time they needed for that musical selection. By that I mean, if I were going to portray the story of Noah, I'd need something longer than Pomp & Circumstance. It was beautifully animated, but I didn't match the story with the music and it could have been longer.

I believe the Pomp & Circumstance in Fantasia 2000 is a shortened verion of the original anyway. The choice of music had nothing to do with the run-time!

[Captain Hook]

I was wondering since so many of those who like Rhapsody in Blue most seem to be Americans, if there is a preference to American composers. Do you have a more emotional relationship with the said piece than with the others?

I don't know about that, personally. I love music from all over the world, it just depends on my mood. Like the song "One By One" (Africa) looks awesome, and I love the music in Sleeping Beauty by (can't spell his name!), who was from Europe I believe.

[ohmahaaha]

2099net wrote:

I believe the Pomp & Circumstance in Fantasia 2000 is a shortened verion of the original anyway. The choice of music had nothing to do with the run-time!

I know - ALL of the musical selections in Fantasia are shortened from their actual lengths (or at least most of them are) - but I just still think, even w/ Pomp at it's full length, was not my ideal choice of music for "Noah's Ark." I like the story of Noah's Ark; I like Pomp and Circumstance; but to me they didn't go together.

[Paka]

I know - ALL of the musical selections in Fantasia are shortened from their actual lengths (or at least most of them are) - but I just still think, even w/ Pomp at it's full length, was not my ideal choice of music for "Noah's Ark." I like the story of Noah's Ark; I like Pomp and Circumstance; but to me they didn't go together.

Hehe... figures - "Pomp and Circumstance" was Eisner's suggestion!
I don't think he had an idea for it, though - he just wanted to have the piece in there. Does kinda stick out though, doesn't it?

What I love even more is one of the original ideas they had for PaC - as the traditional march music for all the sons and daughters of many famous Disney couples graduating kindergarten. How adorably cheesy that would have been!

[Captain Hook]

as the traditional march music for all the sons and daughters of many famous Disney couples graduating kindergarten. How adorably cheesy that would have been!

I hope you're joking!!! That sounded like the worst idea ever!

[wwwjim]

I was wondering since so many of those who like Rhapsody in Blue most seem to be Americans, if there is a preference to American composers. Do you have a more emotional relationship with the said piece than with the others?

I'm an American, but I can't say Rhapsody in Blue had an emotional draw for me (it was one of my least favorite parts). To be honest, I didn't think consciously at the time whether a particular composer was American, German, Italian, etc. It's my British heritage that I usually have the srongest emotional response to anyway.

[Disney Guru]

It is a lot cheaper just to buy the 2 DVD'S seperately and even though you don't get that special little disc who needs it!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bashful]

I love music from all over the world, it just depends on my mood. Like the song "One By One" (Africa) looks awesome, and I love the music in Sleeping Beauty by (can't spell his name!), who was from Europe I believe.

It's Tchaikovsky, and he was Russian. Czhechoslovakia is also a pretty tricky word... I never get it right.

After having slept on the whole Fantasia issue I have come to the conclusion that I prefer the original Fantasia. Although F2000 is more entertaining, it lacks depth. Both films are filled with beautiful music and images, but the 1940 version works better as a whole. However, I have problems with the Rite of Spring. The piece of music is not that familiar to me outside the context, and perhaps that's why the section feels so tedious that I always have to rewind it while watching...

[Captain Hook]

I love music from all over the world, it just depends on my mood. Like the song "One By One" (Africa) looks awesome, and I love the music in Sleeping Beauty by (can't spell his name!), who was from Europe I believe.

It's Tchaikovsky, and he was Russian. Czhechoslovakia is also a pretty tricky word... I never get it right.

Thank you! I watched the little thing about him on the Sleeping Beauty DVD but couldn't spell his name.

[AwallaceUNC]

I just watched Fantasia 2000 for the first time. Overall, I loved it. My only problem with it was that the animation, at times, looked a little too CGI for me. I think that for an animated classic, if you can't make it look 2D using computers, then don't use computers. Just my spill, though.

The music choice was great, as was the talent selected to host the film. A question, though: was the Roy intro shown before the film in theaters, as well?

My favorite segment from this is a tie b/w Rhapsody in Blue and Pomp & Circumstance. It was weird seeing Sorcerer's Apprentice boxed off like that.

My favorite segment from Fantasia remains Sorcerer's Apprentice. Overall, I think I enjoyed 2000 more, but both are great. I wish I would have bought the anthology

-Aaron

[AwallaceUNC]

A question, though: was the Roy intro shown before the film in theaters, as well?

BUMP

Anyone know?

-Aaron