Which is Spookiest?: Discussion-Poll 2

[Lazario]

(No, I don't necessarily have any intentions of making this a running series)

Which is spookier, creepier, or includes more moments of intense danger:

The Wind in the Willows (1949), Dumbo (1940), or 101 Dalmatians (1961)? (All original versions)

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Discussion/Poll 1 was: Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937), Sleeping Beauty (1959), and Beauty and the Beast (1991).

[DisneyFanatic]

Pink elephants on parade gave my claustrophobic nightmares as a child.

[Disney's Divinity]

101 Dalmatians. The climax with Cruella is just downright awesome in its intensity.

To be completely honest, I always thought Pink Elephants was a bit silly. I was bored with it and wished the movie would hurry up and get back to the plot. I don't mean to take away from anyone else's opinion, but I've just always been surprised by how respected that scene seems to be.

[Lazario]

As for me, the Wind in the Willows segment had me the most on the edge of my seat. But, I'm going with 101 Dalmatians. Because I love atmosphere a lot. And, Disney expertly made that house where she kept stuff in... something hall... so creepy. Like if you weren't thinking abut the puppies, you'd notice spooky things all around. Devil Hall? Dark Hall? Something like that. I'd Google, but I don't know what to search for.

101 Dalmatians. The climax with Cruella is just downright awesome in its intensity.

To be completely honest, I always thought Pink Elephants was a bit silly. I was bored with it and wished the movie would hurry up and get back to the plot. I don't mean to take away from anyone else's opinion, but I've just always been surprised by how respected that scene seems to be.

Disney's films are so much about art, that I didn't think there was a plot. In fact, what did the "Baby Mine" scene have to do with the plot? Nothing. It was used to emphasize something that plot cannot expound upon. Emotion. It was a heart-breaking, touching moment. And what was happening? Just one thing, she rocked him back and forth to comfort him. That's all. It was art used to enhance a feeling. So, if the movie had only focused on plot, it wouldn't be a movie. They'd have to have cut everything that didn't push the plot forward. Like, the bath scene - which is SO adorable! Again, it's done to enhance a feeling. To warm hearts, which is not done by using plot. It's by showing something happening that isn't necessarily story-driven.

So, you're not taking away from our opinion at all. You remind me of my mother. When she watches a musical, she likes the singing. But she's not crazy about the dancing. And the solo sort of sequences, where it's just music and dancing or something artistic / expressionistic is going on. Which is done, yeah for art purposes and to make the movie more of an experience and less bound by the laws of plot and story. It's fun. And it makes movies come to life. Because life itself lacks plot, if you've noticed. And movies should have a life all their own. Dumbo does. And that scene is extraordinary. It's only scary for kids though. It's bizarre and strange to everyone else. But it's still so damn cool, after all these years. Point being, you're not alone. Lots of people want their artistic movies to feel more like boring plot-only movies.

[Disney's Divinity]

Devil Hall? Dark Hall? Something like that. I'd Google, but I don't know what to search for.

It was Hell Hall, I think.

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Disney's films are so much about art, that I didn't think there was a plot. In fact, what did the "Baby Mine" scene have to do with the plot? Nothing. It was used to emphasize something that plot cannot expound upon. Emotion. It was a heart-breaking, touching moment. And what was happening? Just one thing, she rocked him back and forth to comfort him. That's all. It was art used to enhance a feeling. So, if the movie had only focused on plot, it wouldn't be a movie. They'd have to have cut everything that didn't push the plot forward. Like, the bath scene - which is SO adorable! Again, it's done to enhance a feeling. To warm hearts, which is not done by using plot. It's by showing something happening that isn't necessarily story-driven.

So, you're not taking away from our opinion at all. You remind me of my mother. When she watches a musical, she likes the singing. But she's not crazy about the dancing. And the solo sort of sequences, where it's just music and dancing or something artistic / expressionistic is going on. Which is done, yeah for art purposes and to make the movie more of an experience and less bound by the laws of plot and story. It's fun. And it makes movies come to life. Because life itself lacks plot, if you've noticed. And movies should have a life all their own. Dumbo does. And that scene is extraordinary. It's only scary for kids though. It's bizarre and strange to everyone else. But it's still so damn cool, after all these years. Point being, you're not alone. Lots of people want their artistic movies to feel more like boring plot-only movies.

I disagree. I believe that emotional, non-singing or non-speaking moments do add to the plot or at least to the viewer's reaction to the plot that's coming. "Baby Mine," for instance, makes the maternal connection between Mrs. Jumbo and Dumbo more poignant. Not that it wouldn't have been so without that scene, but it really puts that emotional connection on the spotlight. "Pink Elephants On Parade" had nothing to do with anything other than giving some extraneous comedy at Dumbo's drunkenness (or "scariness," for younger viewers), so it's like the movie took a break for 3 minutes and woke up wondering, "Oh...where was I?"

[Lazario]

Disney's films are so much about art, that I didn't think there was a plot. In fact, what did the "Baby Mine" scene have to do with the plot? Nothing. It was used to emphasize something that plot cannot expound upon. Emotion. It was a heart-breaking, touching moment. And what was happening? Just one thing, she rocked him back and forth to comfort him. That's all. It was art used to enhance a feeling. So, if the movie had only focused on plot, it wouldn't be a movie. They'd have to have cut everything that didn't push the plot forward. Like, the bath scene - which is SO adorable! Again, it's done to enhance a feeling. To warm hearts, which is not done by using plot. It's by showing something happening that isn't necessarily story-driven.

So, you're not taking away from our opinion at all. You remind me of my mother. When she watches a musical, she likes the singing. But she's not crazy about the dancing. And the solo sort of sequences, where it's just music and dancing or something artistic / expressionistic is going on. Which is done, yeah for art purposes and to make the movie more of an experience and less bound by the laws of plot and story. It's fun. And it makes movies come to life. Because life itself lacks plot, if you've noticed. And movies should have a life all their own. Dumbo does. And that scene is extraordinary. It's only scary for kids though. It's bizarre and strange to everyone else. But it's still so damn cool, after all these years. Point being, you're not alone. Lots of people want their artistic movies to feel more like boring plot-only movies.

I disagree. I believe that emotional, non-singing or non-speaking moments do add to the plot or at least to the viewer's reaction to the plot that's coming. "Baby Mine," for instance, makes the maternal connection between Mrs. Jumbo and Dumbo more poignant. Not that it wouldn't have been so without that scene, but it really puts that emotional connection on the spotlight. "Pink Elephants On Parade" had nothing to do with anything other than giving some extraneous comedy at Dumbo's drunkenness (or "scariness," for younger viewers), so it's like the movie took a break for 3 minutes and woke up wondering, "Oh...where was I?"

Look, Disney's movies often go off on that same break thing you're talking about. Now, all you're doing is attaching a pretentiously-redeeming excuse for bashing the films being more fantasy and art indulging at one point that story-indulging. And I want that kind of thing in more movies. It's ambitious, it's damn good music and animation, it adds to the experience of watching a movie that you already know isn't real, and has inspired other movies to be less story-driven anyway.

There is no downside anywhere, to this equation. Besides, Pooh did it. Fantasia was all that. And again, any scene where the characters aren't talking or singing a piece of plot/story is doing that. Lady and the Tramp did it. Bambi did it. Three Caballeros did it. Almost every Disney animated movie has done it to some extent. At least, until like the 70's or 80's.

You're wrong. But you also made your point, we know you didn't like it. And of course, that's perfectly alright. I just don't get why on Earth something like this could bother a person so much.