Is Disney Done with DVD? (The Never Ending Blu-Ray Debate)

[tlc38tlc38]

Why not push for something you want??!! Everyone wants different things. I just so happen to want something you don't want.

The question is not whether you should or shouldn't ush for something you want. Somebody else made the point nobody is forcing us to switch to BluRay, because you can play your old dvd's on a BluRay player. This was said in trying to prove BluRay is not a cynical marketing ploy. So I asked: if that's true, then why do people beg Disney to release the same movie they already own on dvd and which they can already play on a BluRay player, to come out again on a BluRay disc? Because that proves it is a cynical marketing ploy.

Simply put, Blu is better quality. Enough said.

[ZOOMBOOM0688]

Why not push for something you want??!! Everyone wants different things. I just so happen to want something you don't want.

The question is not whether you should or shouldn't ush for something you want. Somebody else made the point nobody is forcing us to switch to BluRay, because you can play your old dvd's on a BluRay player. This was said in trying to prove BluRay is not a cynical marketing ploy. So I asked: if that's true, then why do people beg Disney to release the same movie they already own on dvd and which they can already play on a BluRay player, to come out again on a BluRay disc? Because that proves it is a cynical marketing ploy.

Well, for example, I don't own LILO & STITCH on DVD, I waited all that time for the 2-disc. NOW I like my movies on Blu-ray SO WHY shouldn't I ask for the movie to be on BLU too?


Also the WRONG WRONG WRONG thing was me having fun with the faces and mimicking the CLAP CLAP CLAP..
HOWEVER, I am very enthusiastic about blu, as u can tell

and as far as the Telephone what about the new "ADVANCEMENTS" they make with the 900mhz, 2.4ghz, 5,8 ghz THAT IS the same as BLU

AND the CAR thing I was trying to say that there may have been people back then who felt the same way about CARS as you do BLUs....

Simply put, Blu is better quality. Enough said.

Exactly, I don't know if you have ever DOUBLE DIPPED but this is the same thing, actually better, because you are getting better PQ and SQ in addition to more features...

[Goliath]

Simply put, Blu is better quality. Enough said.

The question is whether it is, whether you need it, whether the need was created by the industry to rip you off etcetra. All questions discussed in this thread. You don't have to agree with me. But we can have a friendly argument, right?

[ZOOMBOOM0688]

Simply put, Blu is better quality. Enough said.

The question is whether it is, whether you need it, whether the need was created by the industry to rip you off etcetra. All questions discussed in this thread. You don't have to agree with me. But we can have a friendly argument, right?

I'm sorry I don't get the 1st sentence??

but like I said It is exactly like Double Dipping from DVD to DVD....

Have you NEVER done that??

[drfsupercenter]

A new phone can come in handy... When my old one is broken. So I'll buy a very recent model to be sure it will last as long as possible... But I'm not going to replace my perfectly good phone with a iPhone, just because "all the cool kids have got one", or because you can download 92648 stinkin' wallpapers, 726543 irritating ringtones and 52864 useless games on it. And anybody who has bought one just to be 'hip' better not brag about it when they're around me, or I'll slap them silly!

Yeah, I agree with that too.

The point of a phone is to talk to people, right? So why do you need to get the newest one when it comes out? I actually hate the iPhones because they have bad sound quality compared to a real phone and why not just get an iPod AND a phone?

There's a difference between functionality and luxury. Any phone on the market will do what its designed to - let you communicate with others. All the extra stuff is just added.
That being said, I get a phone that is good at the time, then after my 2 year contract is up, get another one.

As far as double-dipping DVDs goes... usually I just buy the first one then copy whatever extra discs may come out in the future from others
I mean, hey, I paid for the movie once, why would I give them 2x the money?

Either that or I'll sell the old one to pay for the new one.

[Goliath]

Well, for example, I don't own LILO & STITCH on DVD, I waited all that time for the 2-disc. NOW I like my movies on Blu-ray SO WHY shouldn't I ask for the movie to be on BLU too?

Because the movie will be available on dvd and you can play them on a BluRay player and it will cost you far less than a BluRay disc?

and as far as the Telephone what about the new "ADVANCEMENTS" they make with the 900mhz, 2.4ghz, 5,8 ghz THAT IS the same as BLU

Like I said: there is a point when the 'advancements' stop being advancements and are only luxury which nobody needs. Look at what I wrote about needing a new phone and the iPhone. Yes, being able to call people who live on the other side of the country is an advancement. Downloading the ringtone of American Idols' latest winner's hit single is not.

AND the CAR thing I was trying to say that there may have been people back then who felt the same way about CARS as you do BLUs....

But you can't compare those things because cars made acontribution to the progress of society. It made things possible that could never be done before. BluRay doesn't. You can already watch movies at your home.

I'm sorry I don't get the 1st sentence??

I mant to say: the question is whether the quality is indeed better.

but like I said It is exactly like Double Dipping from DVD to DVD....

Have you NEVER done that??

No, I've never done that. Personally (only talking about myself here), I would feel totally ripped of owning two copies of the exact same movie. And why do I feel this way? Because it's never going to stop. Take The Godfather, one of my all-time favorite films. They had this great box-set with all three films and a bonus disc. So I bought it. Then a year later, they re-released the set but this time with Part II on a single disc instead of two, and the individual package for each movie was different. And this year, yet again a new release. This time it promised even more bonus features that were not included on the previous two sets. And next year, you can bet they will release a new super-duper-oh-my-god-totally-awesome dvd box.

I don't like being screwed over.

There's a difference between functionality and luxury.

I think that sumps up perfectly the whole debate in this thread.

[drfsupercenter]

I mant to say: the question is whether the quality is indeed better.

Well, the quality IS better. It's 1920x1280 instead of 720x480 (For NTSC systems, for PAL it's instead of 720x540)

That's why I'm not saying we should all boycott Blu-Ray, and actually have the interest in buying a Blu-Ray player for myself.

I'm just not blinded by the leet like most of the forum.

It's better, yes. It's not the best thing since sliced bread.

And ideally, I'll continue to buy DVDs as I can use them in more than one TV, and just rent the Blu-Ray discs when I want to watch them on my HDTV. (Hey, I get free rentals from Blockbuster, why not?)

[ZOOMBOOM0688]

Well, for example, I don't own LILO & STITCH on DVD, I waited all that time for the 2-disc. NOW I like my movies on Blu-ray SO WHY shouldn't I ask for the movie to be on BLU too?

Because the movie will be available on dvd and you can play them on a BluRay player and it will cost you far less than a BluRay disc?

Honestly, not when it comes to DISNEY movies...

Disney keeps most of their DVDs at the $19.99 price
and the BLU is at $19.99

So in the case of DISNEY, which we are discussing here, Going blu is better for me and because it is the same price WHY should I get the DVD which isn't the version of the movie I want?


HERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES: (From AMAZON)

- NATIONAL TREASURE 2 - 2-disc DVD $22.99
BLU-Ray $19.99 (CHEAPER!)

-High School Musical 2 - DVD - $19.99
Blu-Ray $20.99

-CARS AND Ratatouille DVD & Blu-Ray $19.99 (SAME PRICE)

-Nightmare Before X-mas DVD $20.99
BLU-RAY $22.99

The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe
THE 2-DISC DVD is $10 MORE!!!

THE bigger scam is releasing 2 version of the same DVD!! that usually makes Blu-ray cheaper because you have to compare BLU to the 2-disc versions

[Goliath]

It's better, yes. It's not the best thing since sliced bread.

What's so great about sliced bread anyway? You've got a bread, you've got a knife, slice the damn thing!

(Stole that from George Carlin.)

[drfsupercenter]

Disney keeps most of their DVDs at the $19.99 price
and the BLU is at $19.99

No, the Blu-Ray is almost always more than $20.

I've seen some such as Sleeping Beauty for $20 on Amazon.com, but at all the brick-and-mortar stores it was $29.99.

Having a Blu-Ray that's the same price as DVD makes no sense at all... I'd even buy them if that was the case. (Hey, I bought Terminator 2 on Blu-Ray because I got it for $12.99 in a Black Friday sale )

And again. I'm not anti-Blu-Ray as much as I am against treating Blu-Ray like it's the best invention ever made.
Pestering Disney about releasing all your favorite films on Blu-Ray isn't gonna speed up the process, all it does is look annoying.

I mean, I'm eagerly awaiting the day that they decide to release Song of the South again... and look at the thousands of people who have signed petitions and sent them to Disney. They just don't care... why bother?

[ZOOMBOOM0688]

Having a Blu-Ray that's the same price as DVD makes no sense at all... I'd even buy them if that was the case.

DID I not just PROVE that they are the same (Sometimes) Above??

PS. USE AMAZON (usually, cheapest way to buy DVD, BLU, and BOOKS)

and as much as I supposedly think BLU is "better than sliced bread" I always wait to get them at the DVD price, for Disney, or what I consider a fair price... I will only pay AT MOST a $5 premium for BLU....

[drfsupercenter]

I *do* use Amazon, I just have no reason to go crazy buying Blu-Rays at the moment.

There's also DeepDiscount.com, I've gotten some DVDs from them for really good prices. Often times Amazon and Buy.com beat their prices but occasionally not.

I'm the type of person who shops around every place possible so I can get THE lowest price.

But as I said, I'm in no hurry to replace all my DVDs with Blu-Rays... I have no reason to own them (unless they're really great movies or something)... and even then, I'll probably wait a couple years for the prices to come down even more.
(I am, however, buying HD-DVDs while they're under $10...)

[ZOOMBOOM0688]

I *do* use Amazon, I just have no reason to go crazy buying Blu-Rays at the moment.

There's also DeepDiscount.com, I've gotten some DVDs from them for really good prices. Often times Amazon and Buy.com beat their prices but occasionally not.

I'm the type of person who shops around every place possible so I can get THE lowest price.

But as I said, I'm in no hurry to replace all my DVDs with Blu-Rays... I have no reason to own them (unless they're really great movies or something)... and even then, I'll probably wait a couple years for the prices to come down even more.
(I am, however, buying HD-DVDs while they're under $10...)

Well then we FINALLY AGREE on something!! YAY!!

I am the same way with BLU and with DVD... SO far I have never spent more than $20 for any of my 18 Blu-rays (except for Sleeping Beauty). I only have 2 re-buys and I sold the DVD versions for more than I had originally bought them for.

So even though I am HEAD-OVER-HEELS for Blu-ray, I'm not stupid and will never give places like BEST BUY $30 for a movie...

[drfsupercenter]

I've never denied Blu-Ray being better quality than DVD.

What I was pointing out is that it's largely a marketing ploy to get people to spend tons of money on stuff they don't need. Blu-Ray is entirely a luxury, and some people seem to treat it like (and I hate to use the same cliched expression over and over) it's the coolest thing since sliced bread.

And I still think HDTVs are intentionally made to cripple anything lower than 1080 resolution... that too is a scam.

DVDs look plenty good when using a projector or CRT TV, all the sudden these HDTVs come along and people complain about it. Why not complain about the TVs?

Anyway, as I said, I'll probably still keep buying movies on DVD, and rent the Blu-Ray version when I want to watch it in HD.

[2099net]

[...] As with fashion, the choice is yours - the fact Blu-ray plays DVDs means you don't have to repurchase anything you already have on DVD.

I think it's false to assume you have a choice. Ever heard of 'peer pressure', or 'keeping up with the Jones'? If these psychological mechanisms wouldn't work, then why are people on this forum begging Disney to bring out certain movies on BluRay ("make them blu!")? They can play their regular dvd's on a BluRay player, but somehow they just have this urge to buy the movie again... Hmm...

Why is this different from your iPhone example above? The important thing is ITS THEIR CHOICE to repurchase. YOU don't have to do anything. They don't have to repurchase... but they want to. You may consider it a waste of money, but I consider buying a ticket for a sporting event to be a waste of money when most of them are shown on TV anyway - especially at today's prices (going to an F1 event is easily over £150 per person). Lots of people do it, but I don't argue with them.

I really cannot see what's so hard to understand... nobody HAS to have anything to do with Blu-ray at this time if they don't want to. If you're moaning about peer pressure, then you may as well complain about the whole of the capitalist economic system (ever see The Story of Stuff)] on the web?)

Granted in say, five or more likely ten years time the marketplace may be different and you'll probably have to buy Blu-ray players and discs. But even then, you'll still be able to play all your DVDs and not have to replace a single one if you don't want to.

[2099net]

DVDs look plenty good when using a projector or CRT TV, all the sudden these HDTVs come along and people complain about it. Why not complain about the TVs?

Anyway, as I said, I'll probably still keep buying movies on DVD, and rent the Blu-Ray version when I want to watch it in HD.

Because people didn't have anything better as a frame of reference. You know how there's strong opinions on MAC and Microsoft operating systems? Remember how at the time MAC OS 9 was often stated by MAC users as being excellent and so much better than Windows and a technological marvel? Soon changed their minds when OS X for the MAC came out didn't they.

All of a sudden OS X is "the best thing since sliced bread" (even though, like most operating systems, its constantly being updated). No doubt one OS XI or whatever will be out - and soon become "the best thing since sliced bread".

Generally people are happy with what they have, until an alternative is shown. Did your father ever complain about the lack of a GPS system in his car in the 1970s or 1980s? And yes, one day 1080p HD will be surpassed, be it higher resolution, 3D imaging or I dunno, screens on the inside of glasses or whatever. But until then 1080p is the peak of visual performance, and its likely to remain so for decades (how long did NTSC last?)

[The_Iceflash]

I've never denied Blu-Ray being better quality than DVD.

What I was pointing out is that it's largely a marketing ploy to get people to spend tons of money on stuff they don't need. Blu-Ray is entirely a luxury, and some people seem to treat it like (and I hate to use the same cliched expression over and over) it's the coolest thing since sliced bread.

And I still think HDTVs are intentionally made to cripple anything lower than 1080 resolution... that too is a scam.

DVDs look plenty good when using a projector or CRT TV, all the sudden these HDTVs come along and people complain about it. Why not complain about the TVs?

Anyway, as I said, I'll probably still keep buying movies on DVD, and rent the Blu-Ray version when I want to watch it in HD.

I actually laugh in other threads on here when people get bent out of shape because something isn't coming to Blu-Ray (i.e Oliver and Company, Lilo and Stitch). DVD's do look great and there's no denying that. People are acting like all DVD's look like utter crap. They look great. Blu-Ray just kicks is up a notch. To be honest, the only way I can tell the difference between a great looking DVD and Blu-Ray is to put them side to side. I wouldn't see the difference otherwise. I also laugh at those on here who already ditched DVD and complaining there isn't more Disney Blu-Ray coming out. Hello? Last time I checked Disney Blu-Ray isn't in any position with sales to have everything Disney made released on it. Till Blu-Ray increases it's percentages of sales, things like the Black Cauldron, etc will not be coming to it. Sorry to burst many a Blu-Ray fanatics' bubble.

[drfsupercenter]

I actually laugh in other threads on here when people get bent out of shape because something isn't coming to Blu-Ray (i.e Oliver and Company, Lilo and Stitch). DVD's do look great and there's no denying that. People are acting like all DVD's look like utter crap. They look great. Blu-Ray just kicks is up a notch. To be honest, the only way I can tell the difference between a great looking DVD and Blu-Ray is to put them side to side. I wouldn't see the difference otherwise. I also laugh at those on here who already ditched DVD and complaining there isn't more Disney Blu-Ray coming out. Hello? Last time I checked Disney Blu-Ray isn't in any position with sales to have everything Disney made released on it. Till Blu-Ray increases it's percentages of sales, things like the Black Cauldron, etc will not be coming to it. Sorry to burst many a Blu-Ray fanatics' bubble.

Yeah, same here.

I can only tell the difference on an HDTV, and as I said that's because HDTVs are made to cripple non-HD stuff.

My computer monitor is the resolution 1440x900, which is almost that of 1080p (if it was maybe an inch or two bigger it WOULD be)
I can play standard DVDs and they look amazing when filling the screen. Because my computer uses *good* resizing methods and not inferior ones.

So yeah. DVD is a great format, and at the moment I don't think it's worth switching to Blu-Ray. I'd just as soon not get an HDTV and make a REAL home theater, then I'd never even need to worry about resolution.

[DarthPrime]

When comparing Blu-ray to DVD prices I always use the 1 disc DVD to compare. Why? Most people buy the 1 disc. When you do this you will see that Blu-rays to the average consumer are more expensive and might not be worth the upgrade right now.

DVD is far from dead, and depending on the transfer can look pretty good on a upconverting DVD player. Take a Oppo DVD player for example. They produce amazing picture quality, and have a ton of features. Although for the price one could argue that it isn't worth it and pickup a entry level Blu-ray player.

Blu-ray isn't going anywhere, but its not going to replace DVDs at current prices. Just because people are getting HDTVs, their not instantly going to ditch everything for Blu-ray. Most of your average consumers are pleased with DVD and think it looks amazing on HDTVs. A lot of people still do not play any HD material on their HDTVs and just bought them because they are flat and can be hung on the wall. Or either they bought them for gaming, and just use SD cable/satellite because its cheaper. Then there are the misinformed people that think because its playing on their new HDTV its automatically HD.

Anyway it all goes back to price. When Blu-ray gets cheap ($100 or less players, and $15 new releases... in store, not online like Amazon, etc...) then Blu-ray will start replacing DVDs.

UD, and other forums represent a minority compared to what is really happening with Blu-ray and DVD. We seem to be ready to throw DVD out and move on, while others see Blu-ray as something nice but have no plans to get anytime soon.

[Goliath]

Why is this different from your iPhone example above?

It isn't! I didn't say it was different. In fact, I used the iPhone example to illustrate my point about BluRay.

The important thing is ITS THEIR CHOICE to repurchase. YOU don't have to do anything. They don't have to repurchase... but they want to.

Well, and here is where we disagree. Yes, nobody is pointing a gun to your head and is actually forcing you to buy. The forcing is being done psychologically, through advertisement and marketing...

If you're moaning about peer pressure, then you may as well complain about the whole of the capitalist economic system (ever see The Story of Stuff)] on the web?)

Again: who said I don't? No system is without flaws.

Granted in say, five or more likely ten years time the marketplace may be different and you'll probably have to buy Blu-ray players and discs.

"You'll have to" is forcing.

But even then, you'll still be able to play all your DVDs and not have to replace a single one if you don't want to.

Which renders all the begging and pleading for Disney to release the same movies on BluRay discs obsolete.

Because people didn't have anything better as a frame of reference. You know how there's strong opinions on MAC and Microsoft operating systems? Remember how at the time MAC OS 9 was often stated by MAC users as being excellent and so much better than Windows and a technological marvel? Soon changed their minds when OS X for the MAC came out didn't they.

With regard to BluRay, a better comparison would be the different versions of Windows that come out every 4 or 5 years. Windows XP works perfectly. It has everything anyone could wish for. Still, now Windows Vista is released. What does it has that Windows XP doesn't have? A few more irritating faults. And lots of Windows-geeks rush out to buy it. Not because they need it, but because they "want to have the latest version". And in 3 years, there will be another new version. While in 3 years, I'm still working on Windows XP because it already has everything!

Generally people are happy with what they have, until an alternative is shown. Did your father ever complain about the lack of a GPS system in his car in the 1970s or 1980s?

Nobody needs GPS either. You have a map? You can read signs? Yes? Go ahead and start driving!