Is Disney Done with DVD? (The Never Ending Blu-Ray Debate)

drfsupercenter · Post by **drfsupercenter** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:23 pm

Because it's the last one considered to be "classic" Disney animation.

Plus, the newer ones have decent video releases (apart from Hercules and Hunchback)... so it's not as big of a deal as the older ones.

Escapay · Post by **Escapay** » Sun Dec 28, 2008 9:36 pm

drf wrote:Because it's the last one considered to be "classic" Disney animation.

In your opinion.

albert

ZOOMBOOM0688 · Post by **ZOOMBOOM0688** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 12:21 am

drfsupercenter wrote:If my HD-DVD player breaks I'd just buy a new one from eBay

There are tons of people selling them for under $50... so there's really no going wrong there.

I meant after a LONG time when E-bay doesn't sell them either, also some people don't buy from Ebay...

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if people just see HD-DVD as "CHEAPER" now they will end up having to buy the movie again eventually but in the case of BLU or even DVD, players will be available for years and years...

ACTUALLY, one point against BLU-RAY

is that DVD will be alive for a long time simply because Blu-ray players CAN play DVDs so unlike VHS people don't HAVE to re-buy on BLU for a long time... Kind of like the PS2 it still survives because of PS3 AND YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE THIS... SONY killed the backwards compatibility of PS2 games I guess to make money some how because PS3 was losing the gaming war (YAY BTW cuz I never liked PS, PS2, & PS3) LOL

AND, JUST TO BAD-MOUTH SONY, ONE MORE TIME, I hate how all of their products force consumers to use the STUPID memory sticks when SD cards are CHEAPER and BETTER... So in that way I WILL agree with you that yes SONY is a GREEDY S.O.B. that wants to make sure every one gives their money to them... BLU-RAY is actually the only thing I like about SONY and I have a PANASONIC blu-ray player...

SO I WILL AGREE THAT, in some ways, SONY IS GREEDY BUT THEN AGAIN EVERY COMPANY IS TOO...

PS. WHAT SITE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, that stops at Lion King?

MK Sharp · Post by **MK Sharp** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:23 am

drfsupercenter wrote:And hey, as far as "dead formats" go, they're still perfectly valid formats.

Quite right. And often there's very valid reason to keep "dead" formats going, as with every transition to a new format something gets left behind along the way. Goodness, the 78rpm record has been "dead" for 50 years, but there's still huge amounts of material that never got reissued on LP, CD or mp3. Heck, you can still buy new turntables that will run at 78rpm. As long as some material is not available on the format de jour, every "dead" format still has some useful life left in it.

ZoomBoom, I guarantee you that no matter how much champion BluRay and desperately want DVD to disappear, you'll still be turning to DVD for something that never got ported across, even in 10 or 15 years time.

If the studios were embracing BluRay more and releasing more titles on Blu (either as parallel releases or Blu only), it would be worth going to Blu. But while the studios still release the bulk of their titles on DVD only, they're simply not providing the driver to increase adoption. There's only around a dozen titles on BluRay that I'd want to watch. It's pathetic really. The studios are really dropping the ball on this one - that is, if it's their intention to move the entire industry over to BluRay. On the other hand, if they're not intending for everything to go Blu, they're pretty much behaving exactly as you would expect them to.

Of course, trying to extrapolate where the whole DVD vs Blu issue is going by looking at Disney's treatment of their animated classics won't give you a fair picture. Once Disney start releasing a whole lot of their live-action back catalogue on BluRay, then you'll know that they're moving beyond DVD.

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 2:43 am

Is Disney done with DVD?

No, because at the moment only about 1/3 of their releases are on Blu-ray. When titles like Oliver and Company and Lilo and Stitch are not getting a Blu-ray release day and date with the reissued special edition (or whatever silly name they're going to come up with) then its frankly silly to even ask the question.

Will Disney only release Blu-ray/DVD combos?

No, because as at this time they are only doing it on key titles. And more importantly only children's titles. Will Disney eventually only release Blu-ray discs? Perhaps, but not for the at least 6-10 years, if at all.

Is Blu-ray a replacement for DVD?

Yes, it is. I'm not quite sure what MK Sharp is saying. So some stuff will only be available on DVD? Sure, I expect so - especially stuff that is only ever available in standard definition (such as the bulk of UK TV until around 2006). But how does this alter the fact Blu-ray is a replacement for DVD? Being as all Blu-ray players can play DVD, I don't really see what the issue is. While I have and champion High-Def, I still buy DVD releases - mainly TV based (apart from Doctor Who releases, I recently got the latest Mitchell and Webb series and latest Peep Show series on DVD).

HD DVD vs Blu-ray

Well, I have a HD DVD player and I bought it after the format was "Dead", having previously had a 360 add-on. I got my player quite cheap and bought a lot of discs even cheaper. And I still have lots of HD DVD titles which are not available on Blu-ray yet, including my favourite High-Definition catalogue release ever of "The Forbidden Planet". If the movies are important, then you want to be able to view them on any format, and HD DVD is far from a High-Definition compromise compared to other HD sources. That's all I will say.

Lazario · Post by **Lazario** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:08 am

I would actually begin upgrading to Blu-Ray if it meant Disney would quit it with their for a limited time only "Vault" garbage.

drfsupercenter · Post by **drfsupercenter** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:58 am

AND YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE THIS... SONY killed the backwards compatibility of PS2 games I guess to make money some how because PS3 was losing the gaming war (YAY BTW cuz I never liked PS, PS2, & PS3) LOL

Yeah, I'm aware of that... it's because they realized not enough people were buying the $600 ones, so they made it $400 and removed PS2 support.

Now that I think about it, it's not such a bad thing, as I can buy a used PS2 for around $50, buy a Swap Magic, and never have to buy a game in my life

(I still need to convince my parents that the PS3 is the smartest option as a Blu-Ray player... even though you can now get $200 Blu-Ray players at Wal-Mart)

And why would you have to buy your HD-DVD movies again on Blu-Ray? What I'm saying is that I would buy all the good movies on HD-DVD and NOT buy those titles on Blu-Ray. The only Blu-Ray stuff I'd get are the NEW movies, the ones NOT on HD-DVD.

AND, JUST TO BAD-MOUTH SONY, ONE MORE TIME, I hate how all of their products force consumers to use the STUPID memory sticks when SD cards are CHEAPER and BETTER... So in that way I WILL agree with you that yes SONY is a GREEDY S.O.B. that wants to make sure every one gives their money to them... BLU-RAY is actually the only thing I like about SONY and I have a PANASONIC blu-ray player...

Well, yeah, Memory Stick is pretty expensive. Again with me and eBay, I got a 2GB Memory Stick (and mind you, this was like 4 years ago) for about $20. I found this adapter that turns MicroSD into Memory Stick Pro (duo) for PSP... which is cool because then you can buy cheap MicroSD cards and use them anyway.

And as far as the Blu-Ray player goes, Sony still gets money from every Blu-Ray DISC you buy... just to let you know. I'm not boycotting Blu-Ray either, I'm just not jumping on that bandwagon like it's the coolest thing since sliced bread, either.

And the site is a site I posted in a different thread, for a restoration project I'm helping with (to release all the Disney classics in their OTV, unlike some of the currently released stuff)

Well, I have a HD DVD player and I bought it after the format was "Dead", having previously had a 360 add-on. I got my player quite cheap and bought a lot of discs even cheaper. And I still have lots of HD DVD titles which are not available on Blu-ray yet, including my favourite High-Definition catalogue release ever of "The Forbidden Planet". If the movies are important, then you want to be able to view them on any format, and HD DVD is far from a High-Definition compromise compared to other HD sources. That's all I will say.

That's what I was saying earlier... HD-DVD and Blu-Ray use the identical AVC compression... anyone who says Blu-Ray has better quality needs to actually do some research before trying to make that point.

As far as stuff not being available on Blu-ray... Not everything is made in high definition, and not everything needs to be. A lot of anime and cartoons look perfectly fine in standard definition, and if done right, can be upscaled without looking too bad. (I actually did a test, where I used an HDTV recording of one of the Pokémon movies in Japan, then I upscaled the DVD, they both looked pretty much the same

)

Goliath · Post by **Goliath** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 6:42 pm

drfsupercenter wrote:Sigh, I hate mass media. It blew Blu-Ray WAY out of proportion, just as it's doing the DTV transition currently.

That's the way I feel, too.

drfsupercenter wrote:Because it's the last one considered to be "classic" Disney animation.

I don't agree with you there, however. I would say the last 'classic ' Disney animated project is just the last Animated Classic Home on the Range.

ZOOMBOOM0688 wrote:I guess what I'm trying to say is that if people just see HD-DVD as "CHEAPER" now they will end up having to buy the movie again eventually but in the case of BLU or even DVD, players will be available for years and years...

...or people don't switch to BlueRay *now* because they are being told it will save them the money for the tranfer in the future... therefore BlueRay will not catch on... therefore you won't have to replace your old DVD's with BD's. You see, the way you present it, it's a self-fulfilling prophesy.

ZOOMBOOM0688 · Post by **ZOOMBOOM0688** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 9:39 pm

READ THIS!!! (From DVDFILE)

"Despite the economic downturn, consumers are embracing the Blu-ray Disc in impressive numbers...Blu-ray Disc sales are beginning to be perceived as eroding DVD sales."
http://www.dvdfile.com/article/blu-ray- ... ions-13104

YAY!

drfsupercenter · Post by **drfsupercenter** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:02 pm

I don't agree with you there, however. I would say the last 'classic ' Disney animated project is just the last Animated Classic Home on the Range.

Well I can see where you're coming from there, too... just that the newer films had a ton of CGI and weren't mostly hand-drawn like they used to be.
That and most of the new movies had good DVD releases (look at the 2-disc sets of Mulan, Pocahontas, etc.)

And LOL @ ZOOMBOOM0688... I think you're a little TOO excited about Blu-Ray... are you one of those people who's gonna go replace every single DVD you own with a Blu-Ray disc as soon as it comes out?

Neal · Post by **Neal** » Mon Dec 29, 2008 11:01 pm

I think The Princess and the Frog will be a wonderful throwback to classic Disney. It could end up feeling like BatB or LM.

Rapunzel, although in CGI, also seems to be a beautfiul piece of classic Disney. The first CGI flick from them that follows their fairytale formula.

King of the Elves will be more like what we're getting recently - I'm imaging it to most follow the Meet the Robinsons vein of Disney CGI.

ZOOMBOOM0688 · Post by **ZOOMBOOM0688** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 12:38 am

drfsupercenter wrote: And LOL @ ZOOMBOOM0688... I think you're a little TOO excited about Blu-Ray... are you one of those people who's gonna go replace every single DVD you own with a Blu-Ray disc as soon as it comes out?

HAHA

I actually just got into Blu-ray... Sleeping beauty was my first! and I bought my HDTV and blu player in November

and I haven't gone too crazy I only have like 15 blus so far... I've just "SEEN THE LIGHT" and I'm soo happy I didn't get too crazy about DVD I only have 350 but BLU I'm going to go "TO INFINITY & BEYOND!!"

(When it's cheaper!) AHHHH

DID I SAY THAT?

DarthPrime · Post by **DarthPrime** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 1:57 am

About HD DVD... Personally that was my format of choice, but I'm glad there is one format now and I will buy Blu-ray releases eventually. I don't see the point in buying HD DVD now if you don't have it, but for the people that invested for the few years it was around HD DVD will continue to work fine. I also don't blame them for picking up cheap titles now. You will be able to get replacement players for a long time. You can still buy Laserdisc players and Beta players. I've even seen some new HD DVD players go for $50 or less on a few sites lately.

Even if you have no plans to buy any of the HD DVD discs they are excellent DVD upconverting players. I still wonder if there will be a future for the HD DVD technology. I know Blu-ray won the "war" and HD DVD will not return for movies, but maybe storage or something... In a strange way it seems like a waste just to throw the technology of HD DVD away.

drfsupercenter · Post by **drfsupercenter** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:18 am

That was basically my intention... I just got an Xbox 360 (and the new ones do 1080p via HDMI!)... and I found the HD-DVD addon for $40 (including shipping).

How could I NOT buy it?

I read that even when not playing HD-DVDs, it does a better job of upscaling than the normal drive. And, that way I can have a movie AND a game in my Xbox without having to get up and change the disc (hey, I'm genuinely lazy

)

And I already bought a couple HD-DVD movies for about $7.50... I know Blockbuster is selling them used for around $10... it just seems the Blu-Ray followers are eager to get rid of them... and I'm just as eager to catch them on the rebound for great prices.

So yeah. I am glad there's only one format now, but I think HD-DVD is a great HD format and anyone who wants movies that are on both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray should look at HD-DVD. (And yes, I did want HD-DVD to win the format war, mainly because it's not pure evil like Sony

But also because it was made by several companies (Toshiba among others)... not just one)

We don't have an HDTV yet, though I think my parents are finally going to get one soon. And if I have my way, it will be a 50" Panasonic plasma. And my grandma said she'll buy us a Blu-Ray player, so that way I'll be able to play both formats. Now, the issue is buying all the overpriced Blu-Ray MOVIES. (Hey, I can rent them for free from Blockbuster... maybe buying them isn't even needed)

Goliath · Post by **Goliath** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:35 pm

ZOOMBOOM0688 wrote:READ THIS!!! (From DVDFILE)

"Despite the economic downturn, consumers are embracing the Blu-ray Disc in impressive numbers...Blu-ray Disc sales are beginning to be perceived as eroding DVD sales."
http://www.dvdfile.com/article/blu-ray- ... ions-13104

YAY!

Oh, that's great... Cheer about the fact you are being sold yet another useless consumer object you don't need. The notion that 'DVD is dead', 'BlueRay is the future' etc. is not an argument to switch to BluRay; it's a meme the industry has cooked up themselves to kill DVD, so everybody *has* to switch to BluRay. They kill the format by convincing you it's dead. You see the self-fulfilling cycle?

Rudy Matt · Post by **Rudy Matt** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:44 pm

I've seen "Mars and Beyond" on Laserdisc, on DVD, and on Blu-Ray. I've seen Sleeping Beauty on VHS, Laserdisc, DVD and Blu-ay.

And on Enchanted and Wall-E, I've seen clips of vintage Disney animation in Blu-Ray.

As far as I'm concerned, good riddance, DVD. Meme, scheme -- Blu-Ray is gorgeous. You guys go on and fight the power, stick it to the man, whatever -- I'll be enjoying Disney films looking dramatically better than they ever have before.

Goliath · Post by **Goliath** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:48 pm

Rudy Matt wrote:As far as I'm concerned, good riddance, DVD. Meme, scheme -- Blu-Ray is gorgeous. You guys go on and fight the power, stick it to the man, whatever -- I'll be enjoying Disney films looking dramatically better than they ever have before.

And this is how they literally create a desire that was never there to begin with. Just out of thin air, they created a desire that needs to be fulfilled --by buying. Buying, buying, buying... The industry thanks you.

DarthPrime · Post by **DarthPrime** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:20 pm

drfsupercenter wrote:That was basically my intention... I just got an Xbox 360 (and the new ones do 1080p via HDMI!)... and I found the HD-DVD addon for $40 (including shipping).

How could I NOT buy it? I read that even when not playing HD-DVDs, it does a better job of upscaling than the normal drive. And, that way I can have a movie AND a game in my Xbox without having to get up and change the disc (hey, I'm genuinely lazy )

And I already bought a couple HD-DVD movies for about $7.50... I know Blockbuster is selling them used for around $10... it just seems the Blu-Ray followers are eager to get rid of them... and I'm just as eager to catch them on the rebound for great prices.

So yeah. I am glad there's only one format now, but I think HD-DVD is a great HD format and anyone who wants movies that are on both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray should look at HD-DVD. (And yes, I did want HD-DVD to win the format war, mainly because it's not pure evil like Sony But also because it was made by several companies (Toshiba among others)... not just one)

We don't have an HDTV yet, though I think my parents are finally going to get one soon. And if I have my way, it will be a 50" Panasonic plasma. And my grandma said she'll buy us a Blu-Ray player, so that way I'll be able to play both formats. Now, the issue is buying all the overpriced Blu-Ray MOVIES. (Hey, I can rent them for free from Blockbuster... maybe buying them isn't even needed)

Don't blame you for picking up the drive for the 360. Even though Microsoft doesn't make them anymore they still support them. There are tons of great HD DVD titles, and they are very cheap now.

HD DVD was/still is great. Like the Sega Dreamcast it died too early.

I agree Blu-ray movies are overpriced. At least in the store. Why pay $30 for a movie when the DVD is in the $5 bin at Wal-Mart? I think a lot of people see it this way, and its one reason Blu-ray hasn't taken off as fast as some hoped. It will be the future, just not yet. I know people that are labeled as the typical consumer that are buying or planning to buy HDTVs soon, and most are sticking with DVDs because of Blu-ray disc prices. They plan to eventually buy new movies when the prices come down some more, but don't plan to replace their old DVDs (even Fullscreen ones).

Rudy Matt · Post by **Rudy Matt** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 8:24 pm

Yes, technological innovations are all a ploy by the greedy bouregoise to steal the wealth of the poor herd-like proletariat, who have no choice but to buy, buy, buy.

C'mon, man.

ZOOMBOOM0688 · Post by **ZOOMBOOM0688** » Tue Dec 30, 2008 9:40 pm

SOMEONE said this on another FORUM and I think it is 100% true...

DVD was an intermediate format that just happened to become a phenomenon. Watching 480p material on a 1080i/p capable display never made real sense.

ALSO, Goliath, I don't understand why you are so hateful towards BLU?

Do you ACTUALLY hate the technology BLU-RAY? or you are just mad because they are trying to "FORCE" you to change (Which BTW, NO ONE is asking you to) If you don't like it don't buy it. however I IS a fact that blu ray is superior to DVD. and like the QUOTE above says, it was a "SCAM" to release DVD when I'm sure they could have just skipped to BLU in the late 90s. That was around the time HD was hyping up. So blame the companies for making DVD NOT Blu-ray.

Goliath wrote: And this is how they literally create a desire that was never there to begin with...

This make NO sense what-so-ever...

The "desire" (even with DVD) was to view our movies in a higher quality to "recreate a movie theater experience"

Blu just fulfills the desire BETTER...

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