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Goliath wrote:
Neal wrote:But I agree, I am making a short film that has about 15 seconds of the most memorable moments of all the classics (Cinderella's dress transformation, Belle and the Beast dancing, etc.)
I would really like to see that film!
I want to see it too! Sounds pretty sweet. ^_^
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Neal wrote:I want to, but it's 14 minutes long. Doesn't YouTube top off at 10-minute long videos? I don't want to chop it in half, that'll take away from the full effect.

Possibly another site would allow me to host it uncut.
I've seen plenty of YouTube videos that are 20 minutes or even 45 minutes long. So it is possible... But don't ask me how.. :P
Those people became Directors to be able to upload videos over 10 minutes. If you have an account there, go to "My Account" then "Edit Channel: YouTuber change channel type", select "Director" and wait for the change to take place.
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This thread has turned into "Disney full length animated features, You Did NOT Like" since films like Chicken Little are most definitely not classics. Honestly, other than Mulan and some of the films Disney has done with Pixar, I don't like any animated film after The Lion King. And although I've enjoyed some of the Pixar films (Finding Nemo, Toy Story, Monster's Inc., Wall E) I still don't think they hold a candle to the best 2D Disney films like my personal favorites, Sleeping Beauty and The Little Mermaid. Although I disliked Pocahontas, Hercules, and The Hunchback of Notre Dame I do think all three of them had excellent music and own all three soundtracks. I hated Tarzan and I thought the music was just okay. That movie bored me to tears. Atlantis, Chicken Little, and Home on the Range really aren't worth mentioning (they're that bad) and while The Emperor's New Groove was funny it didn't really have the same heart as other Disney films. It seemed like it was funny for the sake of being funny. What I love about the older Disney films is that the humor was there to reinforce the storyline. It seems that some of the newer films are trying to be funny and the storylines are thrown in there later to reinforce the humor.

I'm also not a fan of Oliver and Company, The Rescuers, The Rescuers Down Under or The Fox and the Hound. I also didn't see these movies when I was a child so there is no nostalgia factor which contributes to be apathy towards them. The music in these films was also not as good as some of the other Disney full length animated features.
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Well, they are 'classics' but not classics. :roll: Essentially, they are the continuation of the 'classics' line started by Walt Disney with the release of Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. They do follow that canon/continuity. As for how classics they are, well, not as much as the masterpieces Walt gave us.
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My take on the Disney Classics (If I don’t mention the squeals then it appeal to the squeal as well)

Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937): Only part liked about this film was the seven dwarfs with their personal differences.

Pinocchio (1940): Only the one god thing that came out of this was Jimmy Cricket.

Fantasia (1940): If you own WDT: Mickey Mouse in Living Color, vol 2 then you heve the best part. The best part 2000 one is the Donald segment.

Dumbo (1941): I expected flying pigs but elephants.

Bambi (1942): How cute, no shit someone got killed!!!

Saludos Amigos (1942): I have never seen this. Donald is in this so I must see it.

The Three Caballeros (1944): I have never seen this. Donald is this so I must see it.

Make Mine Music (1946): I have never seen this. I don’t think Donald is in this so I will give this rest this time around.

Fun and Fancy Free (1947): WDT:Micke y Mouse in Living Color, vol 2 then you have the best part.

Melody Time (1948): Overall boring. The best part is Donald Duck statement Blame It On the Samba. Mr Maltin should have put this as bonus on the Donald WDT sets.

The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad (1949): I have never seen this, but I never liked the wind of the willows story overall.

Cinderella (1950): Just another fairy tale. I hate this fairy tale, the story is lame, a slave for her step family. No way!

Alice in Wonderland (1951): What was the original writer smoking when he wrote this bunny hole story. Then I’m not talking about the Disney staff.

Peter Pan (1953): I have seen many versions of this and I have never liked the flying boy, were the flying pigs????

Lady and the Tramp (1955): This move do suck, when you see this two words together "The Tramp" you think of Charles Chaplin but boy not some stupid dog.

Sleeping Beauty (1959): And they happily lived ever after, nothing happen in this. Watch the trailer and you see everything.

One Hundred and One Dalmatians (1961): 101 analogous dogs and what are there mothers and fathers going to do to known which is which. The plot was ok.

The Sword in the Stone (1963): No I have not seen this but I expect it be one of the king arthurs tale. Then I have seen it without seeing it.

The Jungle Book (1967): Never liked this just a idiotic boy talking to animals.

The Aristocats (1970): Cats that do think that they are all royals. Where are the flying pigs now!!!

Robin Hood (1973): This version is bad, bad, bad, bad. As does every other version of this story. Never liked this guy that steel from the rich, people to give the poor people. It should be other way around the rich steel from the poor, no that is the reality.

The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1977): Probably one of the most boring characters that have ever escaped the pen and the way Disney wanted this gay teddy bear so badly is unbelievable.

The Rescuers (1977): Rescue mousses, now must the pigs really start flying.

The Fox and the Hound (1981): Two friends that meant to be enemies, what did I just do wrong? I need something stronger than I’m drinking right now.

The Black Cauldron (1985): Never seen this. What I have read about seems to be not promising.

The Great Mouse Detective (1986): It came out the year I was born. Shame I have never seen it but the story look promising, Sherlock Holmes based story so that is good thing.

Oliver & Company (1988): This movie is "black" gangster movie. It is based on the Oliver Twist tale. So I think I must recheck, my eyes look out of the window and breathe deeply count down from 10 to Zero and convince me self that I have never seen pigs flying around.

The Little Mermaid (1989): What a stupid spell, no voice for the main character. If you think Pinocchio was swallowed unfairly by the whale then I think it was unfair for Arial lost the voice. The spell should have been in her kiss. I’m not going to tell you how the kissing spell would work. So take deep breath and ask yourself if I'm responsible for flying pigs.

The Rescuers Down Under (1990) Better than the original but still a two Rescue mousses, now we get flying mousses instead of pigs.

Beauty and the Beast (1991): The best part of this move is the talking furniture. The frogs must have replaced the pigs in the air.

Aladdin (1992): Best version of this tale. But way didn't Jasmine get her dark secretly wishes. She must have loved to have Aladdin as her sex slave.

The Lion King (1994): Darker version of Bambi. Simba is father got killed!!!! But The Lion King 1 1/2 the Timon and Pumbaa version is much better than the original and the original isn’t interesting until they came around after the death Simba father’s death. The two saved the original for me and there TV show is great.

Pocahontas (1995): Talking tree telling the lady to follow her heart. The frogs and pigs must now go on and ask for bail out if they are going to continue flying.

The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1996): This is horrible piece of shit. The ugliest person on the planet get the most appealing lady in the town. Al of the sudden I just run naked around the town tell every

Hercules (1997): This is the gayest version I have ever seen of the Greek hero.

Mulan (1998): A lady hero no way. There flying dragon’s everywhere.

Tarzan (1999): I never liked the guy that thought he were king of the apes.

Fantasia 2000 (1999): (see the 1940 version what I said there)

Dinosaur (2000): Never seen this. I think I would rather watch BBC documentary called Walking with Dinosaurs.

The Emperor's New Groove (2000): The persons are al gay. The story is lame. I need some aspirin after watching this crap.

Atlantis: The Lost Empire (2001): A lost empire, I have never heard of that. The only good part about this was the princess and the other girl. Shame it is for kids. If i had wings then I would join the pigs.

Lilo & Stitch (2002): Way if Stitch was meant to be so evil way didn't then just not eat Lilo and her sister and we would never get those horrible squeals and TV show.

Treasure Planet (2002); This is the Atlantis in the sky, as bad as Atlantis. Nothing in this is worth the money and don’t even the flying pigs.

Brother Bear (2003): This is gay and the squeal is even gayer. I want to be bear (the original), me to (the squeal). The pair should have sacrificed their body with other way than transformation how I’m not going to tell.

Home on the Range (2004): Sewing circle for cows never thought of that possibility. Is there must also been possibility for sewing circle for flying frogs and pigs. Never seen it and I don’t want to join sewing circle.

Chicken Little (2005): I don't know what this have to do with the original story but I would rather watch the 1943 shorts. Never seen the 2005 version and never will.

Meet the Robinsons (2007): A family meeting how original. Never seen it and I probably never will.

Bolt (2008): A guy(dog) that thinks he is the superman. If Bolt thinks that he is the Superman then the real Superman is a pig and is flying with the other pigs. Never seen to and never will the trailer was enough.

Now I have slaughtered almost every story in the Disney-Animated classic canon so I think I will just glad that I have got almost every WDT animated short set so I can pick endless of great shorts watch as the shorts are miles ahead of the Disney Animated classic feature
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witchkitten wrote:[...] while The Emperor's New Groove was funny it didn't really have the same heart as other Disney films. It seemed like it was funny for the sake of being funny. What I love about the older Disney films is that the humor was there to reinforce the storyline. It seems that some of the newer films are trying to be funny and the storylines are thrown in there later to reinforce the humor.
That's exactly the way I feel about most CGI animated films that have come out in recent years, like Over the Hedge, Happy Feet, Madagascar and more of that crap...
witchkitten wrote:I'm also not a fan of Oliver and Company, The Rescuers [...] The music in these films was also not as good as some of the other Disney full length animated features.
I think The Rescuers has some of the BEST music of all Disney Classics! They are fitting to the mood of the story, they help develop the story and they're sung beautifully by Shelby Flint. "Someone's waiting for you" even got nominated for an Academy Award.
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Um, methinks a troll has passed through. Heil Donald Duck - not only was your writing atrocious, but you made racist and homophobic remarks in the process of bashing all released Disney animated classics and calling them all terrible. If that's how you really feel, why are you on a Disney forum?
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Neal wrote:Um, methinks a troll has passed through. Heil Donald Duck - not only was your writing atrocious,
He claims he's from Iceland and if that's true, English is not his native language...
Neal wrote:in the process of bashing all released Disney animated classics and calling them all terrible. If that's how you really feel, why are you on a Disney forum?
He says he likes the Disney shorts. I checked his profile and it says he's been a member since July 2007.

Anyway, yeah, his post didn't make any sense... AT ALL! And what's with the flying pigs over and over again? This dude is weird!
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Neal wrote:Um, methinks a troll has passed through. Heil Donald Duck - not only was your writing atrocious, but you made racist and homophobic remarks in the process of bashing all released Disney animated classics and calling them all terrible. If that's how you really feel, why are you on a Disney forum?
Did I mention the word terrible anyware in my post no and I corrected the spell after your compliment. My first langue is not English UK/USA so it doesn’t turn out fine all the time. I was not basing Disney staff for making them as the animation wise they are great but the story wise they are just lame usually at the best since they are remakes of original fairy tales. I don’t like the fairy tales. Expect from Aladdin I think it is the best film and the Disney version is the best version of the Aladdin fairy tale as I think Aladdin is the sole fairy tale that I can stand.
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Well, you had a strange way of showing you liked them - what with calling several gay, saying one was for black gangsters, and mentioning how pigs could fly over and over.
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Heil Donald Duck wrote:
Did I mention the word terrible anyware in my post no and I corrected the spell after your compliment. My first langue is not English UK/USA so it doesn’t turn out fine all the time. I was not basing Disney staff for making them as the animation wise they are great but the story wise they are just lame usually at the best since they are remakes of original fairy tales. I don’t like the fairy tales. Expect from Aladdin I think it is the best film and the Disney version is the best version of the Aladdin fairy tale as I think Aladdin is the sole fairy tale that I can stand.
Actually I believe you used the word horrible in there at least once. :P

A tad hypocritical saying you don't like Fairy Tales yet you like Aladdin :P

Also, a number of the Disney movies aren't based off of fairy tales. For example:

Bambi, 101 Dalmatians, Tarzan, HonD, Fox and The Hound (I believe), Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, Pinocchio (I think), Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad, Alice in Wonderland, Peter Pan, Lady and the Tramp, Jungle Book, The Rescuers/Down Under, Black Cauldron and Treasure Planet are all based off of books.

*Edit* As is Oliver and Company and I think Aristocats and Great Mouse Detective as well.

Also, Mulan is based off the ballad of Hua Mulan (I may of gotten the title wrong)

Saludos Amigos, Three Caballeros and Melody Time are not based off of fairy tales, as well as Dinosaur, Brother Bear, Home on the Ranges, Fantasia/2000, Meet the Robinsons, Bolt, Lilo and Stitch, Atlantis, Hercules, Pocahontas, Lion King, Robin Hood, Sword and the Stone, Make Mine Music and Dumbo

So 22 of the DAC's are not fairy tales, a number of them are based off of real life people, mythology or other sources.

So 19 of the Classics at least are not from "lame fairy tales" but other literary sources

Next time check the facts :roll:
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Heil Donald Duck wrote:
Did I mention the word terrible anyware in my post no and I corrected the spell after your compliment. My first langue is not English UK/USA so it doesn’t turn out fine all the time. I was not basing Disney staff for making them as the animation wise they are great but the story wise they are just lame usually at the best since they are remakes of original fairy tales. I don’t like the fairy tales. Expect from Aladdin I think it is the best film and the Disney version is the best version of the Aladdin fairy tale as I think Aladdin is the sole fairy tale that I can stand.
Actually I believe you used the word horrible in there at least once. :P

A tad hypocritical saying you don't like Fairy Tales yet you like Aladdin :P

Also, a number of the Disney movies aren't based off of fairy tales. For example:

Bambi, 101 Dalmatians, Tarzan, HonD, Fox and The Hound (I believe), Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh, Pinocchio (I think), Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad, Alice in Wonderland, Peter Pan, Lady and the Tramp, Jungle Book, The Rescuers/Down Under, Black Cauldron and Treasure Planet are all based off of books.

*Edit* As is Oliver and Company and I think Aristocats and Great Mouse Detective as well.

Also, Mulan is based off the ballad of Hua Mulan (I may of gotten the title wrong)

Saludos Amigos, Three Caballeros and Melody Time are not based off of fairy tales, as well as Dinosaur, Brother Bear, Home on the Ranges, Fantasia/2000, Meet the Robinsons, Bolt, Lilo and Stitch, Atlantis, Hercules, Pocahontas, Lion King, Robin Hood, Sword and the Stone, Make Mine Music and Dumbo

So 22 of the DAC's are not fairy tales, a number of them are based off of real life people, mythology or other sources.

So 19 of the Classics at least are not from "lame fairy tales" but other literary sources

Next time check the facts :roll:
Wathever, But most of the stuff are from sources before 1900, so they are all "lame fairy tales" or legands, or mythology, just a diffrent side of the same coin. An American calling me hypocritical cant beleved. :lol:
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Heil Donald Duck wrote:The American hypocrisy yet again. You just waint the world to sit and stand by your own head. You try to force the American law and democracy at every country in the world and tell everybody to be nice then you go on and nuke Iraq and Afghanistan. With that said I must be cerfull what I say.
I don't think politics should be discussed at a forum about Disney. (But alas, I've seen a few signatures and avatars which contain political messages, like Aaron's. I simply think they are all out of place, but that's just my opinion.)
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Amy Grants a political signature? :P

Heil Donald: They aren't all lame fairy tales, making a blanket statement like that is rather ignorant. There are many types of Genres in literature, Fairy Tales, Horror, Thriller, Action, Romance, Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Mythology, Historical, Legends etc. and so on

Just because it's from before 1900 doesn't make it lame if you stopped to think about it the stories must be pretty good if they've lasted all these years. Lame stories get lost in the ages, good stories carry on, since these stories are still around they must be good.

Also I'm NOT American I'm Canadian thank you very much :)

Also, Aaron was only pointing out that you need to refrain from using offensive language. Not trying to force American laws on you, and he wasn't being hypocritical at all.
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Chernabog_Rocks wrote:Amy Grants a political signature? :P
:lol:

Obviously I meant the 'political pundits' (as they call themselves) in his avatar; Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh (is it?). Somehow, I find it offensive to put Walt Disney and those two in the same avatar. Sure Walt was very conservative, but I highly doubt he would agree with anything those two are spouting... But anyway, I've also seen politically 'liberal' signatures and I just don't think they should be here. But that's really not for me to decide, of course. :)
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I don't think I've posted in this thread yet.

I don't think I really DISLIKE any Disney movies, but there are ones I prefer over other ones.

Like, my favorite era is from Little Mermaid to Tarzan. Top 4 are, of course, Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast, Lion King, and Little Mermaid... with honorable mentions going to Hercules and Mulan. So those are my favorites, and I'd rather watch them over all the other Disney movies out there.
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Chernabog_Rocks wrote:Amy Grants a political signature? :P

Heil Donald: They aren't all lame fairy tales, making a blanket statement like that is rather ignorant. There are many types of Genres in literature, Fairy Tales, Horror, Thriller, Action, Romance, Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Mythology, Historical, Legends etc. and so on

Just because it's from before 1900 doesn't make it lame if you stopped to think about it the stories must be pretty good if they've lasted all these years. Lame stories get lost in the ages, good stories carry on, since these stories are still around they must be good.

Also I'm NOT American I'm Canadian thank you very much :)

Also, Aaron was only pointing out that you need to refrain from using offensive language. Not trying to force American laws on you, and he wasn't being hypocritical at all.
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Heil Donald Duck wrote:
Chernabog_Rocks wrote:Just because it's from before 1900 doesn't make it lame if you stopped to think about it the stories must be pretty good if they've lasted all these years. Lame stories get lost in the ages, good stories carry on, since these stories are still around they must be good.
Then the Bible must be the greatest thing on the earth ca 2000 year old.
The Bible as we know it did not "exist" until probably the Middle Ages, and even then, it wasn't compiled into what we recognize as a "modern" Bible until probably the King James version in the 17th century (IIRC).

The stories in the Bible, however, have existed for far longer, but even then, they're not necessarily the oldest stories in the world. I need only mention "The Epic of Gilgamesh", one of the oldest literary works known to man.

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Heil Donald Duck wrote:
Then the Bible must be the greatest thing on the earth ca 2000 year old.
What does that have to do with anything you quoted me on?
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OK, here's my take on the classics:

Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937): Loved it, great music, great characters, and a benchmark in animation.
Pinocchio (1940): Another high point, especially cute little Figaro and the moment Pinocchio comes to life.
Fantasia (1940): Although a little slow now in places, high points include The Sorcerer's Apprentice and The Nutcracker Suite. It is probably my favourite of all the Disney films due to its sheer variety.
Dumbo (1941): Fantastic and cute. Pink Elephants on Parade really funny and cleverly done.
Bambi (1942): See Dumbo re cuteness. April Showers probably the best song in this.
Saludos Amigos (1942): Bought but not yet watched. Expect it to be OK.
The Three Caballeros (1944): Done really well and mixing in some live action, full of colour and energy.
Make Mine Music (1946): Variable, but worth it for The Whale Who Sang at the Met, All the Cats Join In, and The Martins and The Coys (which is on the version I recorded off-air in the UK).
Fun and Fancy Free (1947): The Mickey segment yes, the other segment is a miss.
Melody Time (1948): Like Make Mine Music but a bit duller. Several upbeat songs though and the Donald segment is good.
The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad (1949): Fun version of the Wind in the Willows and a Sleepy Hollow which is just short enough not to outstay its welcome.
Cinderella (1950): Magical version of a great fairy tale which all comes right in the end.
Alice in Wonderland (1951): Love the caterpillar and the Cheshire Cat, and 'I'm Late'. This cartoon also has its fair share of darkness but that of course is from Carroll's origina book.
Peter Pan (1953): It's sweet with a nice voice performance from Bobby Driscoll. Great animation and songs.
Lady and the Tramp (1955): Has one great song, Belle Notte, which seems to have had an afterlife in various cover versions. Both lead characters are well done, as are the Siamese cats.
Sleeping Beauty (1959): Was this the first widescreen one? Great backgrounds and obviously money was well spent on this.
One Hundred and One Dalmatians (1961): Really funny and colourful but it is a shame many of the songs were cut.
The Sword in the Stone (1963): My least favourite of the classics made while Disney was alive. It's just a bit disappointing.
The Jungle Book (1967): My second favourite. That jazz soundtrack is great and so is the voice talent and the animation.
The Aristocats (1970): Not at all bad, Disney always seemed strong on animating cats with realistic personalities.
Robin Hood (1973): A second string Jungle Book, but it has its moments.
The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh (1977): Sadly a bit dull.
The Rescuers (1977): A case of the cutes but little else. The sequel was even worse.
The Fox and the Hound (1981): Didn't live up to expectations although the animation is pretty good. The magic was starting to disappear about now, IMO.

I'll skip the rest as I don't really think anything merits the word 'classic'. My least favourite of the post-1981 group is The Hunchback of Notre Dame as it was just wrong in every respect.
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