The Lion King Discussion

[Chernabog_Rocks]

Ok, Disney Duster, Ames, Dan and all the Princesses.. can we continue with the real topic of this threat now?

Much like the song this is the debate that will never end *starts singing* Yes it's the discussion that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friends. Some people started debating..da da da da da da and then they kept on debating just because! It's the debate that never ends.."

Anyways, the Lion King....haven't seen it in ages, so can't comment too much on it. Mufasa dying was sad, I'm actually suprised they put that scene in there with Bambi they just did it offscreen but here you see the whole falling down and the body.

Question (semi on topic): Which Lion death was more sad for you? Mufasa or Aslan?

[pap64]

Mufasa definitely. I had seen the original BBC version of "The Lion, the Witch and the wardrobe" and I knew that Aslan would return to life.

Mufasa, on the other hand, died and wasn't resurrected. It leaves a permanent mark on the story and develops things further.

[Juuchan17]

Yo there - new to the topic, but a huge TLK fan at heart!

Question (semi on topic): Which Lion death was more sad for you? Mufasa or Aslan?

Personally, I thought that Mufasa's death was sadder - he was murdered by his own jealous brother only for selfish reasons, and the worst part was that his only son, Simba, was forced to bear this burden as he grew up, thinking that he was the cause of his father's demise (not realizing that Scar has manipulated his mind). Of course, the best thing one could say is that because of Mufasa's death, Simba was allowed to grow and soon realized what he was meant to do to avenge him. (Unfortunately, the sequel made Mufasa almost like a god or something, causing his granddaughter, Kiara, to help pave the way to a more united Pridelands . . . that is another story.)

Aslan's death, however, was expected and yet maintained that same sadness as Mufasa's. I mean, who didn't know that he would resurrect himself?

Both lions had a sense of likeability about them, so it was hard for other characters to say their goodbyes. However, Simba learned that his father was always with him and Aslan returned to life. Blah.

But yeah. Anyone else?

- Juuchan17

[Kossage]

The Lion King is still after all these years my favourite film from Disney's Animated Canon. The animation looks wonderful and intense at the right spots, and the artwork in general is stunning (the opening sequence hasn't lost its charm). The characters are memorable and interesting with multiple layers that give them depth, and the voice actors really bring the characters to life both in Finnish and English. The plot is deep, touching, funny, scary, dramatic, and it works very well in stirring emotion in the audience.

The songs by Tim Rice and Elton John are catchy and beautiful in their own way, and although it isn't necessarily the best Disney music, it does work wonders in the film. "Circle of Life" and "Can You Feel the Love Tonight" are my favourites from the film, and they really help to set a proper mood in the story. The score by Hans Zimmer is evocative and combines synths with live orchestra, choir and African vocalists to create a stirring and haunting experience in music. Many scenes (most famous probably being the Stampede sequence) just wouldn't have been as effective if Zimmer's score hadn't fit so well. His use of various leitmotifs helps to tell the film's story with music, and the use of choir to bring forth the emotional and magical aspects of the film works fantastically both in context and in the soundtracks.

I could keep rambling on about the film, but it is one of Disney's highlights. The quality of the film speaks for itself, and it's always nice to sit back, relax and watch this film and just immerse oneself into the film's visual and aural world.

[Dark Gargoyle]

The Lion King has always been one of my favorite Disney movies. (I never really had a favorite though to be honest. They're all pretty much the same in greatness)

And Mufasa's death was indeed a sad moment. And it also showed just how evil Scar is. The songs/music was awesome as well. My favorite songs are ''Be Prepared'' and ''Hakuna Matata''.

As for Lion King II, it was a decent sequal I guess. But obviously doesn't surpass the original. At least the new characters were cool though. But what happened to Sarabi? And also, if Mufasa could talk/watch Simba and his friends from the skies, why can't Scar do it to his allies as well? (Although he does appear in the water in the ''Not one of us'' song, but that was just for like three seconds only)

Lion King 1/2 I haven't got much to say, because I haven't seen it yet. But to those who have seen it, is it good or not?

[Chernabog_Rocks]

And also, if Mufasa could talk/watch Simba and his friends from the skies, why can't Scar do it to his allies as well?

I'm assuming it's because Mufasa (unlike Scar) was one of the great kings, so he gets to be one of the stars in the sky and there was probably some mysticism involved. On the other hand it could have all been Simba's imagination due to his guilt and it manifested in the form of his Dad talking to him from the sky where the great kings were supposed to go. So while he thought he was talking to his Dad he could have just been talking to thin air since it's all in his mind.

That's my guesses on it

[BrandonH]

I'd go for the "great king"/mystical explanation. It can't be all in Simba's mind, or Rafiki would not have commented on the weather they were having.

My opinion on Lion King 1 1/2? It is very amusing, especially if you like Timon and Pumbaa. It is quite irreverent to the first movie, and the humor is more like MST3K and sitcoms than regular Disney humor, but if you can get past that, there's a very entertaining movie waiting for you.

[Jim's Jewel]

Anyways, the Lion King....haven't seen it in ages, so can't comment too much on it. Mufasa dying was sad, I'm actually suprised they put that scene in there with Bambi they just did it offscreen but here you see the whole falling down and the body.

Well, the Lion King and Bambi were made in two different eras, so I'm guessing when they made Bambi, they probably had to deal with the censors in terms of how explicit the Bambi's mother's death could've been. I could be wrong, but that's what I think that's one reason why the death scenes were so different in terms of how much they showed.

[Dark Gargoyle]

Ok, Disney Duster, Ames, Dan and all the Princesses.. can we continue with the real topic of this threat now?

Much like the song this is the debate that will never end *starts singing* Yes it's the discussion that never ends, yes it goes on and on my friends. Some people started debating..da da da da da da and then they kept on debating just because! It's the debate that never ends.."

Anyways, the Lion King....haven't seen it in ages, so can't comment too much on it. Mufasa dying was sad, I'm actually suprised they put that scene in there with Bambi they just did it offscreen but here you see the whole falling down and the body.

Question (semi on topic): Which Lion death was more sad for you? Mufasa or Aslan?

Bambi's mother was shot. If her body would of been shown, it would be pretty gruesome for kids to see a hole right through an innocent animals body.

But since Mufasa fell, his body appeared fine. But they say he was killed by getting trampled by the Antelopes. If so, where were his wounds? He seemed pretty normal to me.

[Jim's Jewel]

But since Mufasa fell, his body appeared fine. But they say he was killed by getting trampled by the Antelopes. If so, where were his wounds? He seemed pretty normal to me.

I guess it's one of those Disney plot-holes-someone gets hurt, but there are no wounds. It happens in almost every Disney film. The two films I can think of off the top of my head that actually show someone being wounded after a fight are Beauty & the Beast and Mulan.

[BelleGirl]

But since Mufasa fell, his body appeared fine. But they say he was killed by getting trampled by the Antelopes. If so, where were his wounds? He seemed pretty normal to me.

I guess it's one of those Disney plot-holes-someone gets hurt, but there are no wounds. It happens in almost every Disney film. The two films I can think of off the top of my head that actually show someone being wounded after a fight are Beauty & the Beast and Mulan.

And there is also the scene in Sleeping Beauty where prince Philiph flings his sword into the chest of the dragon Malificent, and you see the blood pour from its wound.
I don't think that not showing Mufasa's wounds can really be regarded as a plot-hole, but rather trying not to shock the young kids to much (in reality Mufasa would probably be a bloody mess) and also, because he looks fine, it's believable that Simba initially has some hope his father may still be alive ('wake up!').

Talking about plot-holes: ever wondered how Belle managed to lay Beast over the back of her horse when he had swooned after his fight with the wolves in the forest?

[Mooky]

Talking about plot-holes: ever wondered how Belle managed to lift Beast on her horse's back when he had swooned after his fight with the wolves in the forest?

The same way she pulled him on the balcony after Gaston stabbed him.

Seriously, that's not a plot-hole. Philippe probably knelt down and Belle pushed the Beast onto his back.

For all we know, the Beast might not be as heavy as his appearance suggests.

[BelleGirl]

Talking about plot-holes: ever wondered how Belle managed to lift Beast on her horse's back when he had swooned after his fight with the wolves in the forest?

The same way she pulled him on the balcony after Gaston stabbed him.

Seriously, that's not a plot-hole. Philippe probably knelt down and Belle pushed the Beast onto his back.

For all we know, the Beast might not be as heavy as his appearance suggests.

Still quite a strong girl!

[bambifan56]

Yep, my OCD is kicking in lol. Got my authentic copy today of the 2 Disc PE and watched it. I am just simply stunned. I do honeslty enjoy films with animals modeled after human, so that may be it, but honeslty the music and score in this is amazing. So powerful and emotional. Also the facial expressions in Simba and the rest of the cast are just spot on. One film I could see myself watching about 40 or 50 more times and never tireing of. . Anyone else a big fan of this film? The Elton John music videos included are great as well.

[Siren]

Talking about plot-holes: ever wondered how Belle managed to lift Beast on her horse's back when he had swooned after his fight with the wolves in the forest?

The same way she pulled him on the balcony after Gaston stabbed him.

Seriously, that's not a plot-hole. Philippe probably knelt down and Belle pushed the Beast onto his back.

For all we know, the Beast might not be as heavy as his appearance suggests.

Also, with Belle to help, Beast may have been able to get back to his feet. Afterall, how else did he get back into the castle and into that chair too. Perhaps he found the strength to get up again, especially when he knew Belle stayed with him, I'm sure it gave him a glimmer of hope.

[yukitora]

Disney movies dont need to have logic The Philip v. Maleficent battle is a perfect example of that.

Btw, was Nala Mufasa's daughter? I know its perfectly normal for animals to have incestuous relations, but I never noticed this before

[Siren]

Disney movies dont need to have logic The Philip v. Maleficent battle is a perfect example of that.

Btw, was Nala Mufasa's daughter? I know its perfectly normal for animals to have incestuous relations, but I never noticed this before

If it was a real pride, yes. In the wild, a male lion will not tolerate cubs from any other father. Some prides may have a few males, usually brothers. So Nala could even be Scar's daughter, hence why Mufasa would allow her to remain. But in the wild, when a lion takes over a pride, he will kill all the cubs from the previous leader. So when Scar took over the pride, he technically should have killed Nala. Young adult females are not killed, but any young cubs and young adult males, they are either killed or kicked out.

[yukitora]

^ah thanks for your response. I had thought something similar, but I lost some vital details.

[Disney's Divinity]

Also, to keep to the actual topic, I'm not as bothered with the message as you are (but, then, I've never really wasted much thought on this movie). I suppose it's easier to accept the message if you're the lion and not the antelope.

Well, just my observation. I'm sure I will watch TLK again in the future - and try to ingnore the weaknesses in the story. A question: since we are neither lion nor antelope, what animal do you associate yourself with?

Yeah, I can definitely see that there are weaknesses in the story, but I think the movie excels in its villain-victim relationship at least. The only other movie I can think of where the tension was stronger was between Tremaine and Cinderella. I'm the type of person that, if I can just find one good thing about a movie, I can usually enjoy it. And the whole conflict with Scar (as a nightmare in Simba's mind) is really the shining point of the whole movie. I don't have much love for it besides that, and the only message I really ever took from the movie is to not dramatize and obsess over the past ("What ifs?").

[Rudy Matt]

The biggest plot hole in Beauty and the Beast is the line that suggests the servants have been enchanted for ten years, which means the Hag/Fairy cursed an 11 year old boy for not letting an old haggard stranger into his house.

If she tried that in Los Angeles, the entire city would be nothing but furry kids clutching roses in glass cases.

So remember, you ten and eleven year old kids! When an old toothless stranger comes to your door, always let them in! You don't want to get turned into a beast, do you?