Before you read this, I've already been told this is dumb, pointless, a waste of time, obsessive compulsive and distasteful to the classic Disney films.
It's my prerogative, so if you have any problem with it, please don't post. Please only post if you have something constructive to add or are answering my questions. Thanks!
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I took the 51 released/announced animated Disney 'canon' films and combined them with the 42 sequels/prequels/midquels/interquels/etc. (the derivative works) that Disney has produced/announced for them.
In this way, you have a list that uses the animated features canon as a base order to watch the films in, but has all the supplemental films added in.
My rules were that you take the 51 canon films, and then shift around any canon sequels (like shifting The Rescuers Down Under down so that it was right behind The Rescuers , etc.) but all other films in the canon remained in the same place. Then I took all of the sequels/prequels/midquels/interquels/spin-offs, etc. and moved them into place ahead or after their appropriate movie in the canon so that you could match up any continuities. There may be confusion as films like Tarzan II are prequels to the original but have the '2' suffix. However, I believe I did this right.
The sequels/prequels, etc. had to be at least 60 minutes ("feature-length") to be included. So such shorts as Winne the Pooh and a Day for Eeyore are not counted as sequels as they aren't "feature-length".
See, I want to watch ALL the Disney animated films - original canon and derivatives - before Princess and the Frog comes out. Sort of a refresher course for it. And I want to watch them in continuity order (not production order). But rather than watch the 51 canon films in order, and then go back and watch the sequels in order, I thought it made more sense (or at least I preferred) to inject the sequels into their 'proper place' in the canon.
Please read my list and make sure I placed all the films in the proper place. I'm choosing not to include the TV shows. Also, check to see if I missed out on any sequels, prequels, midquels, interquels, spin-offs, package films or spiritual successor films to the classic canon. The canon is easily defined, Disney itself lists it on their site, but the sequels don't have an official "list" so I might have missed some. Please see if I did. I want a complete list!
I've posted this at some other sites and gotten some interesting ideas for order. One ordering of interest is Cinderella III before Cinderella II. I was told that it would fit, and doing it in that order strengthened the believability of what happens Cinderella II.
All that said, here's my current list:
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Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs
Pinocchio
Fantasia
Fantasia 2000
Dumbo
Bambi
Bambi II
Saludos Amigos
The Three Caballeros
Make Mine Music
Fun and Fancy Free
Melody Time
The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr. Toad
Cinderella
Cinderella III: A Twist in Time
Cinderella II: Dreams Come True
Alice in Wonderland
Tinker Bell
Tinker Bell and the Lost Treasure
Tinker Bell: A Midsummer Storm
Tinker Bell: A Winter Story
Peter Pan
Return to Never Land
Lady and the Tramp
Lady and the Tramp II: Scamp's Adventure
Sleeping Beauty
Disney Princess Enchanted Tales: Follow Your Dreams (Keys to the Kingdom segment)
One Hundred and One Dalmatians
101 Dalmatians II: Patch's London Adventure
The Sword in the Stone
The Jungle Book
The Jungle Book II
The Aristocats
Robin Hood
The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
Pooh's Grand Adventure: The Search for Christopher Robin
Winnie the Pooh: Seasons of Giving
The Tigger Movie
Winnie the Pooh: A Very Merry Pooh Year
Piglet's Big Movie
Winnie the Pooh: Springtime with Roo
Pooh's Heffalump Movie
Pooh's Heffalump Halloween Movie
The Rescuers
The Rescuers Down Under
The Fox and the Hound
The Fox and the Hound II
The Black Cauldron
The Great Mouse Detective
Oliver & Company
The Little Mermaid: Ariel's Beginning
The Little Mermaid
The Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea
Beauty and the Beast
Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas
Beauty and the Beast: Belle's Magical World
Aladdin
The Return of Jafar
Disney Princess Enchanted Tales: Follow Your Dreams (More Than a Peacock Princess segment)
Aladdin and the King of Thieves
The Lion King
The Lion King 1½
The Lion King II: Simba's Pride
Pocahontas
Pocahontas II: Journey to a New World
The Hunchback of Notre Dame
The Hunchback of Notre Dame II
Hercules
Hercules: Zero to Hero
Mulan
Mulan II
Tarzan II
Tarzan
Tarzan & Jane
Dinosaur
The Emperor's New Groove
Kronk's New Groove
Atlantis: The Lost Empire
Atlantis: Milo's Return
Lilo & Stitch
Lilo & Stitch 2: Stitch Has a Glitch
Stitch! The Movie
Leroy & Stitch
Treasure Planet
Brother Bear
Brother Bear II
Home on the Range
Chicken Little
Meet the Robinsons
Bolt
The Princess and the Frog
Rapunzel
King of the Elves
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All The 'Canon' Disney Animated Films And Their Derivatives
All The 'Canon' Disney Animated Films And Their Derivatives
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I read what you said at the very top and this is my "something constructive" about your idea.
...I don't think you should watch the derivative works at all. Chiefly because they weren't produced at the same studios as the canon features. They're practically made by people who had no contribution to the original films and the only real relationship they have to the original film are the characters (who most of the time weren't even voiced by the same actors).
I personally enjoy most of the DTV sequels, but if you're planning to do this, I think the sequels will only "water down" and weaken the effect you're trying to achieve, and make the task a lot harder and longer to achieve, and it might end up negatively. You don't want an overkill of Disney films before you actually end up watching The Princess and the Frog.
Just my two cents.
...I don't think you should watch the derivative works at all. Chiefly because they weren't produced at the same studios as the canon features. They're practically made by people who had no contribution to the original films and the only real relationship they have to the original film are the characters (who most of the time weren't even voiced by the same actors).
I personally enjoy most of the DTV sequels, but if you're planning to do this, I think the sequels will only "water down" and weaken the effect you're trying to achieve, and make the task a lot harder and longer to achieve, and it might end up negatively. You don't want an overkill of Disney films before you actually end up watching The Princess and the Frog.
Just my two cents.
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yukitora - I just wanted to watch all the Disney character films by next year. In no way did I mean to imply the sequels, etc. were anywhere near on par the official films. But they aren't all steaming piles of poo, either. I just wanted to watch everything Disney. If I watch two a weekend next year I could do it.
Like you, I don't think these are all so terrible films. Their official predecessors were meant as art, meant for everyone - 0 to 100. Their sequels were made with children largely in mind. They aren't babyish, per se, but they aren't quite as mature as their counterparts. If you go into them with the mindset that they'll be as well-rounded and open as the originals, then you'll of course be mistaken. I was expecting Kronk's New Groove to be funny for someone my age (17) for instance. I found the Emperor's New Groove to have humor suited to me. Kronk's New Groove, however, did not. So, I went into Pooh's Heffalump Movie expecting it to be cute, but not much else. It was, in my opinion, heartwarming and fun, too.
akhenaten - Everyone always points out for this to really work (due to the midquels) I'd have to watch so much of the original, turn it off, pop in the DTV, watch that, then flip back to the original.
I don't plan to put in that much effort, but I did plan to watch them side-by-side in a comparative setting.
yukitora - I'm an extreme Disney enthusiast, but I've never seen most of the classic films or their derivatives. You'll find I'm actually a bit lacking in my Disney repertoire, my parents didn't take me to these films, or buy them for me, and I'm only 17, so I'm looking forward to watching the films in chronological order but also catching up on all the classics I missed, and see all the supplementals.
There's people who have seen many of the classics multiple times or have seen all the derivatives over time.
I've seen barely any, so what I'm doing isn't that much different - I'm just watching them in a shorter amount of time.
But thank you so much for your input! I don't think this will water down my feelings for PatF. If it begins to be overkill, I'll quit so as not to ruin the beauty PatF is sure to be.
ichabod - ? These are the 51 canon films with all derivatives interjected into the line. Teacher's Pet was neither a canon film nor a derivative work of a canon film so it doesn't count.
Like you, I don't think these are all so terrible films. Their official predecessors were meant as art, meant for everyone - 0 to 100. Their sequels were made with children largely in mind. They aren't babyish, per se, but they aren't quite as mature as their counterparts. If you go into them with the mindset that they'll be as well-rounded and open as the originals, then you'll of course be mistaken. I was expecting Kronk's New Groove to be funny for someone my age (17) for instance. I found the Emperor's New Groove to have humor suited to me. Kronk's New Groove, however, did not. So, I went into Pooh's Heffalump Movie expecting it to be cute, but not much else. It was, in my opinion, heartwarming and fun, too.
akhenaten - Everyone always points out for this to really work (due to the midquels) I'd have to watch so much of the original, turn it off, pop in the DTV, watch that, then flip back to the original.
I don't plan to put in that much effort, but I did plan to watch them side-by-side in a comparative setting.
yukitora - I'm an extreme Disney enthusiast, but I've never seen most of the classic films or their derivatives. You'll find I'm actually a bit lacking in my Disney repertoire, my parents didn't take me to these films, or buy them for me, and I'm only 17, so I'm looking forward to watching the films in chronological order but also catching up on all the classics I missed, and see all the supplementals.
There's people who have seen many of the classics multiple times or have seen all the derivatives over time.
I've seen barely any, so what I'm doing isn't that much different - I'm just watching them in a shorter amount of time.
But thank you so much for your input! I don't think this will water down my feelings for PatF. If it begins to be overkill, I'll quit so as not to ruin the beauty PatF is sure to be.
ichabod - ? These are the 51 canon films with all derivatives interjected into the line. Teacher's Pet was neither a canon film nor a derivative work of a canon film so it doesn't count.
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I'm interested to know where you get this idea of 51 canon films from. At last count Walt Disney Feature Animation has only made 46 films. Trust me if you're using Disney.com as your main source of information that's once of the least accurate Disney sites there is!Neal wrote:ichabod - ? These are the 51 canon films with all derivatives interjected into the line. Teacher's Pet was neither a canon film nor a derivative work of a canon film so it doesn't count.
Why do you count a direct to video movie like "The Three Musketeers", yet you don't include theatrical films like "A Goofy Movie" or "Teacher's Pet"?
Also "Disney's American Legends" isn't even a film, it's just a DVD with a bunch of shorts on it.
Your list makes no sense whatsoever.
Here is the Disney canon from an official source:
http://www.disneyanimation.com/aboutus/history.html
... that site was John Lasseter's baby. He wanted a better WDAS site. I'm not going to contend with Lasseter.
That's the current 48 films. 3 more are on the way - and those 3 are found on other parts of the site.
Disney still affixes numbers to their films. Even current DVD re-releases say which 'number' it was in the canon.
The new Oliver & Company DVD had a press release that touted it as the '37th full-length Disney animated feature'. So the 51 film canon is quite visible.
I took these 51 films - 46 released, one coming next month, 3 in production - and then found all prequels, midquels, sequels, interquels, spin-offs, and spiritual successors and added them into where they would go on the 51 canon list so that continuities were formed.
I count the three Musketeers but not the others as it's a spiritual successor. By that I mean when you watch Fun and Fancy Free, there's the Jack in the Beanstalk segment. It shows Mickey, Donald and Goofy acting out a classic fairy tale. The Three Musketeers is the same idea - Mick, Donald and Goof in a classic tale. The essence is the same.
However, "A Goofy Movie", "An Extremely Goofy Movie", "Mickey's Once & Twice Upon a Christmas", "Snowed in at the House of Mouse" and "Mickey's House of Villains" - none of those really do that, following the classic tale theme or anything. I can understand your reasoning, me adding The Three Musketeers is the most debated part of that list. And again, "Teacher's Pet" was just a TV show that got a movie.
http://www.disneyanimation.com/aboutus/history.html
... that site was John Lasseter's baby. He wanted a better WDAS site. I'm not going to contend with Lasseter.
That's the current 48 films. 3 more are on the way - and those 3 are found on other parts of the site.
Disney still affixes numbers to their films. Even current DVD re-releases say which 'number' it was in the canon.
The new Oliver & Company DVD had a press release that touted it as the '37th full-length Disney animated feature'. So the 51 film canon is quite visible.
I took these 51 films - 46 released, one coming next month, 3 in production - and then found all prequels, midquels, sequels, interquels, spin-offs, and spiritual successors and added them into where they would go on the 51 canon list so that continuities were formed.
I count the three Musketeers but not the others as it's a spiritual successor. By that I mean when you watch Fun and Fancy Free, there's the Jack in the Beanstalk segment. It shows Mickey, Donald and Goofy acting out a classic fairy tale. The Three Musketeers is the same idea - Mick, Donald and Goof in a classic tale. The essence is the same.
However, "A Goofy Movie", "An Extremely Goofy Movie", "Mickey's Once & Twice Upon a Christmas", "Snowed in at the House of Mouse" and "Mickey's House of Villains" - none of those really do that, following the classic tale theme or anything. I can understand your reasoning, me adding The Three Musketeers is the most debated part of that list. And again, "Teacher's Pet" was just a TV show that got a movie.
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Well you should because that site is wrong. Dinosaur was not made by Walt Disney Feature Animation and has no business being on that list. It has just been shoved in as an afterthought, probably just so no one will forget it exists.Neal wrote:Here is the Disney canon from an official source:
http://www.disneyanimation.com/aboutus/history.html
... that site was John Lasseter's baby. He wanted a better WDAS site. I'm not going to contend with Lasseter.
No offence but that makes no sense whatsoeverI count the three Musketeers but not the others as it's a spiritual successor. By that I mean when you watch Fun and Fancy Free, there's the Jack in the Beanstalk segment. It shows Mickey, Donald and Goofy acting out a classic fairy tale. The Three Musketeers is the same idea - Mick, Donald and Goof in a classic tale. The essence is the same.
And you still didn't say why you included Disney's American Legends.
Dinosaur wasn't previously on the list because it wasn't hand drawn. Disney planned to create a complementary CGI list, but that never happened.
The Secret Lab that made Dinosaur was every bit a part of the WDAS studio (then WDFA studio). It was funded by Disney, on the same lot, shared some producers and had Roy Disney's blessing. However, after only one film it dissolved.
The list had been primarily 2D up until that point so they withheld the CGI film.
For years Dinosaur was an "orphan", but now that Chicken Little, Meet the Robinsons, Bolt and the other CGI films are there, it doesn't seem out-of-place to put Dinosaur back in where it does actually belong.
Again, this is quite clearly a ruling under Lasseter's Disney. It should be trusted that this was done to preserve the history of Disney as it really happened - not just some arbitrary choice.
It's not like this was "The Wild" - that was merely a Disney funded project, nothing more.
This was a Disney produced project.
Others have agreed with me on the Musketeers issue. A Goofy Movie shows a modern Goofy and is more of a film that builds upon the shorts. I'm ONLY looking for films that build upon the canon. Fun and Fancy Free put the Mickey gang in a fairy tale setting. So did Musketeers. So it fits.
As for Legends, the shorts were produced at the WDFA. Then there were interstitials added to make it run continuously in film-fashion. It's like the Enchanted Tales series - shorter segments connected with interstitials. I put it where I did because Saludos/Caballeros shows some South American history (more or less) and Legends does the same only for North American History.
I made it clear anyone who thought this was nonsense should keep out. I want to do this and it's my prerogative and many other (educated) Disney fans have thought it was a cool idea, not just me. So if you don't like it, please stop wasting your time telling me.
The Secret Lab that made Dinosaur was every bit a part of the WDAS studio (then WDFA studio). It was funded by Disney, on the same lot, shared some producers and had Roy Disney's blessing. However, after only one film it dissolved.
The list had been primarily 2D up until that point so they withheld the CGI film.
For years Dinosaur was an "orphan", but now that Chicken Little, Meet the Robinsons, Bolt and the other CGI films are there, it doesn't seem out-of-place to put Dinosaur back in where it does actually belong.
Again, this is quite clearly a ruling under Lasseter's Disney. It should be trusted that this was done to preserve the history of Disney as it really happened - not just some arbitrary choice.
It's not like this was "The Wild" - that was merely a Disney funded project, nothing more.
This was a Disney produced project.
Others have agreed with me on the Musketeers issue. A Goofy Movie shows a modern Goofy and is more of a film that builds upon the shorts. I'm ONLY looking for films that build upon the canon. Fun and Fancy Free put the Mickey gang in a fairy tale setting. So did Musketeers. So it fits.
As for Legends, the shorts were produced at the WDFA. Then there were interstitials added to make it run continuously in film-fashion. It's like the Enchanted Tales series - shorter segments connected with interstitials. I put it where I did because Saludos/Caballeros shows some South American history (more or less) and Legends does the same only for North American History.
I made it clear anyone who thought this was nonsense should keep out. I want to do this and it's my prerogative and many other (educated) Disney fans have thought it was a cool idea, not just me. So if you don't like it, please stop wasting your time telling me.
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i too am torn about putting dinosaur in and out of the 'official' list. but seeing as many talented disney artists worked on the film, i would say yes. (dvd arrangement wise..i place it in between WDAS and pixar movies) and its not a co-venture with an outside company. so chicken little can never claim to being the first CG feature..it shouldnt even exist. oh what the heck both movies shouldnve existed!
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The very phrase "Lasseter's Disney" makes me shiver like I've just been goosed by Hitler.Neal wrote:Again, this is quite clearly a ruling under Lasseter's Disney.
As for Legends, the shorts were produced at the WDFA. Then there were interstitials added to make it run continuously in film-fashion. It's like the Enchanted Tales series - shorter segments connected with interstitials. I put it where I did because Saludos/Caballeros shows some South American history (more or less) and Legends does the same only for North American History.
I'm sorry this is the internet, the welcome mat invites us all in! Espescially those us who actually are educatedI made it clear anyone who thought this was nonsense should keep out. I want to do this and it's my prerogative and many other (educated) Disney fans have thought it was a cool idea, not just me. So if you don't like it, please stop wasting your time telling me.
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Precisely my point. Dinosaur wasnt made by WDFA it was made by the Secret Lab, so why should that be included when productions by other Disney arms such as Disney France or Disney Canada isn't?Barbossa wrote:If Dinosaur is included, what about James and the Giant Peach, The Nightmare Before Christmas, and Ducktales the Movie?
Dinosaur was NEVER counted amongst the other films because there is one major difference, Snow White through the Home on the Range plus Chicken Little and Meet the Robinsons were all made by Walt Disney Feature Animation, or all the other names it went by. Dinosaur wasn't it was created by a completely seperate arm the Secret Lab.
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I agree with Ichabod, Dinosaur isn't a classic and shouldn't be on the list. You should switch it with Goofy Movie and add Extremely Goofy movie perhaps, since those build on Goofy's little "universe" as I've heard it put once. You did say you wanted to watch all the Disney Character films, well Goofy is a character and his two movies are his films 
If you think about it adding Teachers Pet isn't a bad idea even if it was a t.v show that got a movie if you look at Aladdin 2 and 3 they were movies that started and ended the show.
I don't know what American Legends is so I can't comment on it other than it looks rather out of place on the list. I'd bump Three Musketeers up I think it looks rather odd that far down.
Your idea is an interesting one to try, I'd just tinker with the list a little more though
I'd also suggest considering the Gargoyles 5 part episode for season 1 since it was released as a movie but then broken into a 5 part episode. Siren or another big Gargoyles fan might have to confirm I got the order on that right though.
Also "Lasseter's Disney" should never be uttered again.
If you think about it adding Teachers Pet isn't a bad idea even if it was a t.v show that got a movie if you look at Aladdin 2 and 3 they were movies that started and ended the show.
I don't know what American Legends is so I can't comment on it other than it looks rather out of place on the list. I'd bump Three Musketeers up I think it looks rather odd that far down.
Your idea is an interesting one to try, I'd just tinker with the list a little more though
I'd also suggest considering the Gargoyles 5 part episode for season 1 since it was released as a movie but then broken into a 5 part episode. Siren or another big Gargoyles fan might have to confirm I got the order on that right though.
Also "Lasseter's Disney" should never be uttered again.
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james is a tricky issue..i see that in the UK it goes under the pathe label.
who framed roger rabbit was animated by disney animators too.
american legend is a compilation dvd of american heroes featured in the package movies and independent short subjects.
lasseter's disney is when all praise goes to tinker bell and WDAS outputs r actually second rate productions compared to pixars.
a more appropriate lasseter's disney is when pixar/wdas artists interchange projects at both studios according to their interests and when each respective studio's short films precedes each other's animated films. then i will die a happy man (maybe ill wait a little until they discover that pocahontas was actually shot in technirama,and we'll get an expanded ratio for blu-ray).
who framed roger rabbit was animated by disney animators too.
american legend is a compilation dvd of american heroes featured in the package movies and independent short subjects.
lasseter's disney is when all praise goes to tinker bell and WDAS outputs r actually second rate productions compared to pixars.
a more appropriate lasseter's disney is when pixar/wdas artists interchange projects at both studios according to their interests and when each respective studio's short films precedes each other's animated films. then i will die a happy man (maybe ill wait a little until they discover that pocahontas was actually shot in technirama,and we'll get an expanded ratio for blu-ray).
do you still wait for me Dream Giver?
Surely the solution to the Disney's American Legends controversy is that it ought not be on the list because it doesn't meet the criterion of being more than 60 minutes long. IMDb list at 57 mins, Amazon has the VHS at 58 mins and the DVD at 56 mins. Mind you, if you were strictly adhering to the 60 minute rule, you'd lose Saludos Amigos as well.
I reckon that somewhere in there you should also find room for The Reluctant Dragon, which has a familial resemblance to the package features (especially Fun & Fancy Free). Victory Through Air Power is probably more optional for this exercise.
I reckon that somewhere in there you should also find room for The Reluctant Dragon, which has a familial resemblance to the package features (especially Fun & Fancy Free). Victory Through Air Power is probably more optional for this exercise.
"I hope we never lose sight of one thing - that this was all started by a little girl and a cat. And a rabbit."
akhenaten, ichabod - Like it or not, Dinosaur IS an in-house picture. The Wild, Valiant were funded by Disney but not produced there. The producers, C.O.R.E., are based in Toronto. They were only partnered with Disney for The Wild. They are not a Disney-owned studio so The Wild cannot be counted as a a Disney 'canon' film. Dinosaur was produced by the Secret Labs. It was a Disney owned studio, produced on a Disney lot.
Here's a better explanation:
"Dinosaur was created in-house at WDFA, originally to be directed by Bob Scribner (Oliver & Company). He moved on and the film became a CG film after the success of Jurassic Park. Disney bought up DreamQuest Images, renamed it The Secret Lab, and had them animate the film, but it was boarded and shepherded by the Disney team at WDFA. It was not originally included in the "classics" list because it was a CG feature and not hand-drawn. The original intention was to keep the "classic" list purely and simply a traditional list. When WDFA went over to CG production with Chicken Little, the list continued with these films in them (even though many believe the list should be suspended until Princess And The Frog can become number 45). Now, with the renaming of WDFA to WDAS, the list takes in practically anything that was WDP, WDPA, WDFA and WDAS created, including Dinosaur. "
Barbossa - James and the Giant Peach, The Nightmare before Christmas - those were helped funded and distributed by Disney. They were in no way produced by them.
I don't think any of you get the point of this. This isn't a list of everything animated by/through Disney ever. It's meant to take the 51 canon films, and slot in all derivative prequels, sequels, midquels, interquels, parallels, and spiritual successors. Basically any continuing, expanding, supplemental material to the original films.
If I just removed American Legends and The Three Musketeers then it'd make more sense. So I'll do that.
Besides that, the list follows the rules I laid out plain and simple.
akhenaten,
ichabod, Chernabog_Rocks - "Lasseter's Disney" is a statement no different than "Walt Disney's Disney" or "Eisner's Disney". You try telling me that Lasseter isn't the one running the show for the animated films right now. Eisner made sure he told them what to do and didn't give the actual president of animation much chance. Lasseter isn't the Disney president, he's only a creative officer but it seems like he's top dog. Like it or hate it - this is HIS Disney in terms of animation. He's doing what he wants and whether what he wants is good or bad in our eyes, we can't stop it.
Chernabog_Rocks - Thanks for at least being a little positive about this! Well, I'm eliminating Musketeers and Legends - and after that, there really isn't any more flexibility to the rules. The list is the 51 films and all derivative supplements. Nothing more, nothing less. That leaves no room for shorts, no room for DTV films that weren't derived from the 51 film canon, no room for any Disney TV shows. So while yes, show pilots and finales can be included as they were also marketed as 'films' - the normal TV shows / shows unrelated to the 51 canon cannot be included.
MK Sharp - Those I put on a separate "hybrids" list - any classic Disney that includes Disney animation but the live action outweighs it (this puts Saludos in a grey area, but I'm not going to alter the 51 films Disney calls canon). The films on the hybrid list include Mary Poppins, Song of the South, Bedknobs and Broomsticks and others.
ichabod - There's a difference between the internet being everyone's stomping ground and respecting someone's wishes politely. I didn't just post this. I posted it but prefaced it with a request no detractors come bashing. It's common courtesy to just respect that request - internet or not.
Here's a better explanation:
"Dinosaur was created in-house at WDFA, originally to be directed by Bob Scribner (Oliver & Company). He moved on and the film became a CG film after the success of Jurassic Park. Disney bought up DreamQuest Images, renamed it The Secret Lab, and had them animate the film, but it was boarded and shepherded by the Disney team at WDFA. It was not originally included in the "classics" list because it was a CG feature and not hand-drawn. The original intention was to keep the "classic" list purely and simply a traditional list. When WDFA went over to CG production with Chicken Little, the list continued with these films in them (even though many believe the list should be suspended until Princess And The Frog can become number 45). Now, with the renaming of WDFA to WDAS, the list takes in practically anything that was WDP, WDPA, WDFA and WDAS created, including Dinosaur. "
Barbossa - James and the Giant Peach, The Nightmare before Christmas - those were helped funded and distributed by Disney. They were in no way produced by them.
I don't think any of you get the point of this. This isn't a list of everything animated by/through Disney ever. It's meant to take the 51 canon films, and slot in all derivative prequels, sequels, midquels, interquels, parallels, and spiritual successors. Basically any continuing, expanding, supplemental material to the original films.
If I just removed American Legends and The Three Musketeers then it'd make more sense. So I'll do that.
Besides that, the list follows the rules I laid out plain and simple.
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ichabod, Chernabog_Rocks - "Lasseter's Disney" is a statement no different than "Walt Disney's Disney" or "Eisner's Disney". You try telling me that Lasseter isn't the one running the show for the animated films right now. Eisner made sure he told them what to do and didn't give the actual president of animation much chance. Lasseter isn't the Disney president, he's only a creative officer but it seems like he's top dog. Like it or hate it - this is HIS Disney in terms of animation. He's doing what he wants and whether what he wants is good or bad in our eyes, we can't stop it.
Chernabog_Rocks - Thanks for at least being a little positive about this!
Well, I'm eliminating Musketeers and Legends - and after that, there really isn't any more flexibility to the rules. The list is the 51 films and all derivative supplements. Nothing more, nothing less. That leaves no room for shorts, no room for DTV films that weren't derived from the 51 film canon, no room for any Disney TV shows. So while yes, show pilots and finales can be included as they were also marketed as 'films' - the normal TV shows / shows unrelated to the 51 canon cannot be included. MK Sharp - Those I put on a separate "hybrids" list - any classic Disney that includes Disney animation but the live action outweighs it (this puts Saludos in a grey area, but I'm not going to alter the 51 films Disney calls canon). The films on the hybrid list include Mary Poppins, Song of the South, Bedknobs and Broomsticks and others.
ichabod - There's a difference between the internet being everyone's stomping ground and respecting someone's wishes politely. I didn't just post this. I posted it but prefaced it with a request no detractors come bashing. It's common courtesy to just respect that request - internet or not.
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