Sleeping Beauty DVD AND BLU-RAY Discussion Thread Vol. II

[Thomas J]

I have a question for whoever is in the Disney Movie Club:

When do you suppose they'll be sending Sleeping Beauty? I get a monthly DVD mailed to me (the hottest DVD of the month, or whatever they said), and since I've joined the club, they've sent me all of the Platinum Editions that were released since that point (The Jungle Book and 101 Dalmations). I bought the Blu-Ray because I knew they'd eventually send me the regular one, but when do you think that will be?

[Flower's Friend]

I have a question for whoever is in the Disney Movie Club:

When do you suppose they'll be sending Sleeping Beauty? I get a monthly DVD mailed to me (the hottest DVD of the month, or whatever they said), and since I've joined the club, they've sent me all of the Platinum Editions that were released since that point (The Jungle Book and 101 Dalmations). I bought the Blu-Ray because I knew they'd eventually send me the regular one, but when do you think that will be?

I believe it will be October 21st. I called the Disney movie club about this. Also for Sword in the Stone that had it to where you could by the movie by itself of get the movie in like a very nice gift set. I thought long and hard and I figured that just the movie the Sword and the Stone by itself would be best for me, but maybe some others would find that gift set would be better for them. The gift set for the Sword in the Stone can only be purchased at the Disney movie club (save if you buy if on ebay or something like that) > I am not sure if the Disney movie club still has this gift set or not.

Now if the Disney movie club has Sleeping Beauty in a gift set, I will for sure be getting that When I saw that nice gift set for the Sword in the Stone at the Disney movie club, my wish has been for Sleeping Beauty to have a gift set like it at the Disney movie club

[Jan<3]

My Sleeping Beauty didn't come with the booklet describing the discs/next Platinums. What is up with that? All it came with was the Disney Movie Rewards thing, and a booklet describing prizes to be won, or something... did anyone else not get the insert?

[Escapay]

Quiz Time!

Find what is wrong with this section of the commentary and get a pink elephant!

• Lasseter: This film was made in the 1950s when television was coming into peoples' homes and the theater owners and the movie studios were battling that by doing widescreen, and there was all these competing widescreen formats. And this movie was made in the widest of widescreen formats. You know, Super Technirama.
  
  Maltin: 70 mm.
  
  Lasseter: 70mm moving sideways through the projector, but what it gave you was a 2.55 aspect ratio. Standard widescreen is 2.35. And then this artwork is staggeringly beautiful, this Eyvind Earle artwork. It fits so well with this super widescreen format.
  
  Narrator: Thus, on this great and joyous day did all the kingdom celebrate the long-awaited royal birth.
  
  Maltin: The one thing that the animators who've talked about this project say over and over again is that Walt said, "It's gotta be different. It's gotta be different." How do you make it new, how do you make it fresh? Make it look different, not only in terms of the artwork, but in the sheer size of the screen.
  
  Disney: Sleeping Beauty is the first full-length animated feature photographed in what we call Technirama 70.
  
  Lasseter: You know, this is the first time that audiences are seeing the full frame at 2.55, 'cause it was produced at 2.55, but by the time it was released, the standard in theaters of widescreen was 2.35, so these edges on the side of the frame have never been seen by anybody.
  
  Maltin: And because it was such a big frame, it was a 70mm frame running sideways, people who were lucky enough to see it in its original engagements, in the major cities saw an incredible clarity and detail. It'd like watching an IMAX movie today.

I'll give two hints:
1. A certain number is not being mentioned at all and as a result, a couple statements are made that are wrong.

2. Something isn't as wide as they believe it is.

albert

[drfsupercenter]

is that number 2.20:1?

Here I thought the 70mm ratio was 2.20:1... is that maybe what's wrong with it?

And hence my point that the Disney DVD people suck at this in general

[Escapay]

is that number 2.20:1?

Yes.

Here I thought the 70mm ratio was 2.20:1...

It is.

is that maybe what's wrong with it?

Yes.

No one has yet to actually say what's wrong though...

albert

[pap64]

I know what's wrong...Lasseter said it. And its common knowledge that Lasseter=Satan.

There. Do I get my pink elephant, Scaps?

[Escapay]

I know what's wrong...Lasseter said it. And its common knowledge that Lasseter=Satan.

There. Do I get my pink elephant, Scaps?

No, that's not what's wrong.

Though I'm sure if you asked the same question to a hardcore "OMG!!! Disney ROX! Pixar SUX!" person, they'd say it's the right answer.

albert

[magicalwands]

I know what's wrong...Lasseter said it. And its common knowledge that Lasseter=Satan.

Very immature for you to post that.

You know, all John is doing is helping Disney out, okay? You make it sound like he is against Disney. We all don't know what really goes on behind those walls but only word of mouth and the media. Give John more credit, he is doing his very best. Disney is in the best position it has been in a LONG time. If it weren't for him, I would have no faith in the company anymore. Seriously, I am sick of only seeing ads for movies being rereleased from the vault, or HSM/Camp Rock/Hannah movie, or yet a new Pixar film. I want to see ads for a new Disney film! I don't want people to be excited for movies that were released more than a decade ago (fab four, Tarzan, Emperor's...) John was originally at Disney first before Pixar so he knows what goes on there. I am sick of hearing all these negative comments about him. It's funny really, I hear good stuff of him from filmmakers but hear hatred and whining from the public. Yet, who are the ones that work with him and know him? So don't go around calling Lasseter the devil when you don't even know the guy!

[Escapay]

I'm sure pap was being sarcastic.

albert

[Chernabog_Rocks]

Despite the fact any and most talk about aspect ratios makes my mind go I think what's wrong is where Lasseter said Super Technirama while Disney said Technirama 70. Also is the part where Maltin said this

people who were lucky enough to see it in its original engagements, in the major cities saw an incredible clarity and detail. It'd like watching an IMAX movie today.

while Lasseter said

You know, this is the first time that audiences are seeing the full frame at 2.55, 'cause it was produced at 2.55, but by the time it was released, the standard in theaters of widescreen was 2.35, so these edges on the side of the frame have never been seen by anybody.

Or something to do with that?

[yukitora]

Is it this part?

the standard in theaters of widescreen was 2.35

because uhm..., first of all 2.35 is the wrong number (I'm guessing), and the fact they were able to screen Lady and the Tramp in it's full frame at 2.55 just a few years earlier make the sentence seem a little odd...

[BrianG]

I picked this up Tuesday on DVD and I originally had ZERO intention of buying this but after going through the extras and then seeing the film I'm going to upgrade to Blu-Ray for Christmas! I never really liked anything but the dragon fight originally but now I can appreciate this film a little bit more.

It was funny.....I went from watching the commercials and saying, "Nah, don't want it." to checking this site almost every hour on the hour to see the review!

It's like I have the movie but still don't know how it happened......

BTW it's good to post again! I've been traveling a LOT but I check in to read what's going on. I haven't had time to post but now I'm back for good!!

[drfsupercenter]

I'm stopping at Blockbuster... I can use one of my free rentals (we have the mail-rental thing where you can exchange them for store rentals) to get Sleeping Beauty on DVD.

It would work on Blu-Ray too, but ATM I have no way to play Blu-Ray. Once my parents buy us a PS3, I might go back and rent the BR of it.

[nunval]

The fact is that they have ideas a little confused about the format.
FIRST : Technirama was NOT a 70mm film. It was a 35mm film moving orizzontally in the camera and so covering a frame aperture double of the standard 35mm film. Practically it was like the Vistavision negative (that created an image of approximate 1,85:1 on the film), but adding a little squeezing of the image. In this way on this big negative frame of 1,85: 1 it was possible to obtain a 2,35: 1 image like the Cinemascope one but much more clear due to the large negative. That for the negative. From this orizontal negative Technicolor printed two different kind of positive prints:
1) a 35mm anamorphic film, made squeezing once more the negative image and rotating it of 90° to obtain a normal film running VERTICALLY in the projector (this was called a normal TECHNIRAMA positive print) with an aspect ratio of 2,35: 1
2) a 70mm flat 2,21: 1 print made unsqueezing totally the negative image and rotating it of 90° to obtain a normal 70mm film. In this case the film was called to be in SUPER TECHIRAMA 70MM. Really it was not a 70mm negative but a BLOWN-UP positive from a normal Technirama orizontal negative.The first prints of Sleeping Beauty, for the roadshow engagements were made on 70mm positive film. In Italy we always had a normal Cinemascope 2,35:1 frame and so we saw the movie always in simply Technirama.
I think the Technirama negative had the 2,55:1 aspect to make more easily to recadre the image for the different type of prints that were made, but it was always showed in 2,35, or 2,21: 1

[Escapay]

We have a winner!!

nunval gets the pink elephant!

He/she correctly pointed out several things:

1. Technirama is not 70mm. It can be projected in 70mm blowups, but is not filmed in 70mm.

2. The 35mm negatives (horizontally through the camera) yields either a 70mm blow-up print or a 35mm reduction print.

3. Thus, the only possible projection ratios are 2.20:1/2.21:1 (70mm) and 2.35:1 (35mm).

4. Even if Sleeping Beauty is filmed through the camera with a 2.55:1 ratio, it would already have been known that the projection would be 2.20:1 for the premiere and 70mm engagements, and 2.35:1 for smaller markets who only projected 35mm.

5. Therefore, Lasseter and Maltin are wrong about a few of their statements. First off, neither mention that a 70mm ratio is 2.20:1, so immediately their assumption that 70mm engagements were 2.55:1 contradicts Lasseter's claim that the audience never saw this full 2.55:1 frame. Later, Maltin says that 70mm is run sideways, when that's obviously not true. It's 35mm run sideways through a camera, but projections were normal vertical ones. In addition, while Lasseter says that the standards of theatres were 2.35:1, he fails to mention other standards that were common. Namely Todd-AO's 2.20:1 and VistaVision's variable ratios (though most common was 1.85:1).

And Cherny and yukitora get honorary elephants since they were on the right track! Cherny correctly said that Lasseter and Maltin misnamed the Technirama format (it's Super Technirama 70, not Super Technirama or Technirama 70), and also pointed out that Lasseter and Maltin made contradicting statements, while yukitora pointed out that LATT was a 2.55:1 film and the commentary made it seem like SB was the first in the format.



There's still one thing wrong that nobody picked up on yet, and it's related to my second clue:

Something isn't as wide as they believe it is.

albert

[drfsupercenter]

Oh, I think I know that one.

Technirama is actually 2.35:1, not 2.55:1. (At least according to this). So Technirama isn't really as wide as they're saying it is.

By the way, though, how DID they get a 2.55:1 ratio then? Is there even more on the top and bottom that we're not getting? (As in, they filmed it 2.35:1, chopped the top and bottom off to make it 2.55:1, and then later 2.35:1 prints were horizontally cropped from the 2.55) Or did they use a modified Technirama?

Also... when he says that Sleeping Beauty uses "the widest of widescreen formats," surely that's not true? I know there have been movies made in greater than 2.55:1, and Lady and the Tramp was also 2.55:1 using CinemaScope.

[DarthPrime]

Picked this up tonight (DVD version). My copy did have a DVD Guide, along with the the rewards and Blu-ray inserts.

Haven't watched it yet...

[ToyStoryFan]

Finally got around to getting this. I got the Blu-Ray. The pictures here don't do it justice. The Blu-Ray is absolutely freaking *stunning* I actually put in the normal DVD after and there was a huge noticeable difference (this was on my HD-TV, though). The dragon encounter shook the walls and rattled my room!! I loved that!

One thing I noticed on my smaller TV is that the DVD is perhaps a little too wide -- on my small TV the black bars took up almost 70% of the screen -- and I'm not complaining, I just have to wonder how the "black bar haters" will react! LOL

Still though ... excellent release overflowing with bonus features. Good job Disney!

[potterrules93]

so i ended up running out of time to buy this today. my gma is coming up tomorrow so we will run and get it. she will prob buy it for me=p
Ryn