Sleeping Beauty DVD AND BLU-RAY Discussion Thread Vol. II

EricMontreal22 · Post by **EricMontreal22** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:31 pm

I am sure this has been discussed but I can't find it going through thte five pages of this thread. In the tv commercials Disney insists this is the first time the film ahs been shown "how Walt wanted" and they compare a pan and scan frame to the full letterbox. Yet we've seen this full image in theatres, on the special letterboxed video and on the last DVD release already. What am I missing??

Escapay · Post by **Escapay** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:36 pm

netty wrote: Escapay managed to channel DeathieMouse from the Twilight Zone!?!

I know, I was totally shocked as well!

KubrickFan wrote:The Technirama camera and projector dimensions were the following:

Camera: 1.496" x .992"
Projector: for the 70mm print: 1.912" x .870"
and for the 35mm print: .839" x .700

Thanks, KubrickFan.

netty wrote:Regardless of any other complaint, the 2003 (actually a restoration started some time before 2003) is not good enough. The colours pulse. The pulsing colours is clearly seen, and its clear the technology of the time wasn't good enough to stop this. It helped to reduce the pulsing but the restoration staff were aware of the pulsing and they failed to stop it. This alone is evidence that [a] a "new" restoration was required and technology has moved on allowing better restoration than even 5-10 years ago.

IIRC, the 2003 DVD is simply a digital transfer of the 1998 laserdisc restoration, but it wasn't given a major remastering or restoration.

netty wrote:Strange how people aren't objecting to a 7.1 soundtrack remix though isn't it?

Because nobody's as much an audiophile as they are an I-want-the-whole-picture-and-give-it-to-me-in-a-color-palette-I-feel-is-right-even-though-it's-based-on-memories-of-the-old-VHS-phile?

albert

singerguy04 · Post by **singerguy04** » Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:48 pm

I've never had anything near a surround sound so mostly when i see the films at home or while i was in college i was watching them from a regular TV or my laptop so it's hard to judge any kind of sound difference. Of course, everything on DVD does sound better than on my VHS's though. At that point though, it really is more about image for people like me. That is going to change though because my house mates have a HDTV and surround sound. Now all we need is some kind of blu-ray player!

Everything aside, I'm really getting excited for this release and I'm seeing Billboards and posters for it popping up everywhere.

I've seen many on bus stops, and there's a 2 big billboards in Philadelphia. One is of SB and Phillip from the cover with a red background that reads Sleeping Beauty then the logo in the lower right hand side with the quote "more to see than ever before" or something to that extent. The other is of Maleficent turned to the side looking over her shoulder with her staff in hand and petting the raven with the other (which is perched on the staff. That one has a purple background with the title of the film, the logo in the same location and the same quote. The bus stop posters i've seen are the same art but another one i've seen has Maleficent as the dragon on it. I wonder if there's a way for me to get one of those posters b4 they toss them.

KubrickFan · Post by **KubrickFan** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:30 am

Escapay wrote:Because nobody's as much an audiophile as they are an I-want-the-whole-picture-and-give-it-to-me-in-a-color-palette-I-feel-is-right-even-though-it's-based-on-memories-of-the-old-VHS-phile?

albert

Well, the original 4.0 soundtrack is included, isn't it? That's all that matters to me, audiowise.

Anyway, I'm also getting excited for this. I've never seen this film appropriately. I only have a pan&scan full frame dvd of this, with a terrible transfer. So I cannot wait to see this properly. And, all the bonus material looks good, for once on a Platinum Edition.

yukitora · Post by **yukitora** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 1:43 am

EricMontreal22 wrote:I am sure this has been discussed but I can't find it going through thte five pages of this thread. In the tv commercials Disney insists this is the first time the film ahs been shown "how Walt wanted" and they compare a pan and scan frame to the full letterbox. Yet we've seen this full image in theatres, on the special letterboxed video and on the last DVD release already. What am I missing??

The aspect ratio on the DVD is different to the one seen in the cinemas. You get more picture left, right, up and down. Whether or not Walt actually envisioned it that way, who knows... (it's not as if they couldn't have made it 2.55:1 for its theatric release, as Lady and the Tramp just before it achieved).

drfsupercenter · Post by **drfsupercenter** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 7:06 am

I've never been able to set up my speakers properly to get any good sound out. It's hard for me to notice any difference

Do you have a surround sound system?

I just have 2.1 stereo on my TV... but since I have really picky hearing I can definitely hear the difference between the "restored original soundtrack" and the DEHT mix. (This is when it's down-sampled to 2.1)

Also, try using headphones... it tends to make the differences more obvious.

Take a movie like Lady and the Tramp - the "restored original soundtrack" still sounds really old and staticy, almost like it was just transferred from a VHS. The DEHT, however, sounds a lot better. As much as it pains me to use the DEHT mix... it really pisses me off that Disney doesn't care as much about the original mix as it does their upscaled surround mixes.

Anyway, I'm also getting excited for this. I've never seen this film appropriately. I only have a pan&scan full frame dvd of this, with a terrible transfer. So I cannot wait to see this properly. And, all the bonus material looks good, for once on a Platinum Edition.

Was there ever just a fullscreen DVD? I know the 2003 had both ratios... and as far as I know that's the only one that was released here (But I'm region 1)

I am sure this has been discussed but I can't find it going through thte five pages of this thread. In the tv commercials Disney insists this is the first time the film ahs been shown "how Walt wanted" and they compare a pan and scan frame to the full letterbox. Yet we've seen this full image in theatres, on the special letterboxed video and on the last DVD release already. What am I missing??

Yeah, that's just "n00b advertising" on Disney's part. They're trying to get average Americans to have a reason to buy the PE - and if they show the 2003 vs. 2008, the difference won't be that shocking. So they intentionally screw up the older source (Note that they used the Fullscreen version of the 2003 DVD, not the widescreen one...) and it makes it look better.

Though it's a complete lie when they say "Now available for the first time in widescreen" (And YES they did say that - I recorded that commercial if anyone wants to see it)... last time I checked, false advertising was illegal but maybe Disney's too good for that sort of petty law? Also, the phrase "new expanded version" struck me as odd... isn't it supposed to be OAR and not "expanded"?

And Disney ALWAYS insists that it's "how Walt wanted", even after restoring it to Hell and making it look brand new. I think they're just assuming...

Thomas J · Post by **Thomas J** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 11:33 am

I just pre-ordered my Sleeping Beauty Blu-Ray yesterday at the Disney Store, and the lady that sold it to me was in shock that I said Blu-Ray. She was asking me about the quality and stuff. She was an incredibly nice and friendly lady, but she was like advertising me buying the Blu-Ray. I hate attention. Lmao.

I'm just excited that I got my lithograph set. However, the Sleeping Beauty lithographs are HUGE compared to the 101 Dalmations and Enchanted lithographs that I have.

Coolmanio · Post by **Coolmanio** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 3:51 pm

Escapay wrote:magicalwands posted a short list of the known exclusives and prices) on page 4 of the Sleeping Beauty DVD AND BLU-RAY Discussion Thread Vol. II

Best Buy - 14.99 / 24.99: Free Exclusive Sleeping Beauty alarm clock with the purchase of Sleeping Beauty on DVD OR Blu-Ray
Circuit City - 14.99 / 25.99: Free Sleeping Beauty Iron-on decal with purchase of Sleeping Beauty DVD
Target - 15.99: Sampler DVD which features highlights from the all-new Tinker Bell movie

albert

Along with that I also found these (Noting that I live in Canada, so they might not apply to you):

Future Shop:19.99/32.99: Free Sleeping Beauty Film Cell with purchase of Sleeping Beauty on DVD or Blu-Ray
Toys-R-Us: 19.99/32.99: Free Sleeping Beauty Necklace with purchase of Sleeping Beauty on DVD or Blu-Ray[/b]

JasonSolaris · Post by **JasonSolaris** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 5:16 pm

Coolmanio wrote:Along with that I also found these (Noting that I live in Canada, so they might not apply to you):

Future Shop:19.99/32.99: Free Sleeping Beauty Film Cell with purchase of Sleeping Beauty on DVD or Blu-Ray

Hi. I saw this in the Futureshop flyer and I thought it look like the ones TWEC (Sams Goodies, FYE) gives out.. I checked the FYE website and it lists a film cell as a free gift..

Here's an image from the Futureshop website, but I can't make out what the card with the cell looks like..

Later

yukitora · Post by **yukitora** » Fri Oct 03, 2008 8:29 pm

*gasp* film cel! I WANT!

drfsupercenter wrote:
I've never been able to set up my speakers properly to get any good sound out. It's hard for me to notice any difference
Do you have a surround sound system?

I just have 2.1 stereo on my TV... but since I have really picky hearing I can definitely hear the difference between the "restored original soundtrack" and the DEHT mix. (This is when it's down-sampled to 2.1)

Also, try using headphones... it tends to make the differences more obvious.

Take a movie like Lady and the Tramp - the "restored original soundtrack" still sounds really old and staticy, almost like it was just transferred from a VHS. The DEHT, however, sounds a lot better. As much as it pains me to use the DEHT mix... it really pisses me off that Disney doesn't care as much about the original mix as it does their upscaled surround mixes.

Yes I do have surround sound. But I don't know whether the back two speakers are dodgy or the films I watch just never use them

I think I might try to headphones idea! Although I'll have to watch it on my computer then. I just remembered, the first time I ever watched Sleeping Beauty was on the computer, spending like, half an hour to get my headphones to work. And although I thought the film was an incredible bore, the song "Once upon a Dream" just stuck like a lichen on a rock. Must've been the work of the headphones

KubrickFan · Post by **KubrickFan** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 1:30 am

drfsupercenter wrote: Was there ever just a fullscreen DVD? I know the 2003 had both ratios... and as far as I know that's the only one that was released here (But I'm region 1)

The first version was released in R2 only in 4:3, the CE wasn't even released here (in the Netherlands) but only in the UK. They must really hate black bars here. Atlantis was available only in 4:3, and Brother Bear was changed into 1.66:1 for the entire movie. Probably because it's just a 'kiddie movie' and kids don't want to see black bars, or something like that

.

drfsupercenter wrote: Yeah, that's just "n00b advertising" on Disney's part. They're trying to get average Americans to have a reason to buy the PE - and if they show the 2003 vs. 2008, the difference won't be that shocking. So they intentionally screw up the older source (Note that they used the Fullscreen version of the 2003 DVD, not the widescreen one...) and it makes it look better.

Though it's a complete lie when they say "Now available for the first time in widescreen" (And YES they did say that - I recorded that commercial if anyone wants to see it)... last time I checked, false advertising was illegal but maybe Disney's too good for that sort of petty law? Also, the phrase "new expanded version" struck me as odd... isn't it supposed to be OAR and not "expanded"?

And Disney ALWAYS insists that it's "how Walt wanted", even after restoring it to Hell and making it look brand new. I think they're just assuming...

Well, it's not the OAR, so yes, 'expanded' should be the right term here.
It's the same when they show a restoration comparison, the 'before' image always looks much crappier and faded than the 'after' picture', even though the previous version didn't look at all like that. Or they say that it's the first time it's arrived on dvd, when it clearly wasn't the first time.

Barbossa · Post by **Barbossa** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 3:06 am

JasonSolaris wrote:
Coolmanio wrote:

I'll be hitting Futureshop on Tuesday. Don't need the little beauty set that Walmart is including.

yukitora · Post by **yukitora** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 3:10 am

The funny this is, now I only have widescreen TVs, and now 4:3 films really bother me for their "side black bars". Whenever I'm watching one of the real early disney films, I have an urge to stretch the image, since I don't give a fudge for OAR.

Imo, any viewing experience is an experience. If I can see it in its OAR, why not try the pan & scan version once in awhile?

KubrickFan · Post by **KubrickFan** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 4:55 am

yukitora wrote:The funny this is, now I only have widescreen TVs, and now 4:3 films really bother me for their "side black bars". Whenever I'm watching one of the real early disney films, I have an urge to stretch the image, since I don't give a fudge for OAR.

Imo, any viewing experience is an experience. If I can see it in its OAR, why not try the pan & scan version once in awhile?

That's the main problem, you shouldn't be looking at the black bars, but at the actual picture. Stretching it gives distortion, and that's much more annoying than a smaller picture on your television, I think.
And the pan&scan version is (apart from missing information) not the intended version, so that's why you shouldn't watch it.

yukitora · Post by **yukitora** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 5:16 am

I think your missing my point.

I've seen the films in their "intended" ratio... so I personally see nothing wrong in trying out other versions of the films. It's just an experience, like watching an english dub of a movie, then rewatching it in it's original language.

A kind of pointless point, I don't know why I bothered posting it in the first place

Marky_198 · Post by **Marky_198** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:05 am

KubrickFan wrote: And the pan&scan version is (apart from missing information) not the intended version, so that's why you shouldn't watch it.

And the film was intented for viewing on a huge theatre screen, so it shouldn't be watched on your tv at home. Especially not with the original aspect ratio as all the faces will be gone. Thank god for pan &scan to make the film acceptable for screens smaller than 20 feet wide.

The huge amounts of superfluous bricks and wallpaper on the sides would be acceptable if you could still see the faces properly in some shots.
This original aspect ratio was NOT what the filmmakers intended for home video.

In order tot that, I can't stand it when you get the feeling that the ends of a shot are the end of a drawing. It makes it look so empty and atmosphereless. It should be like a live action movie, what you see is not all there is. You just can tell there's more. That's what makes or breaks a film. The newer Disney classics do have that, but Sleeping Beauty's rescue was pan&scan.

disneyboy20022 · Post by **disneyboy20022** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 6:25 am

Barbossa wrote:
JasonSolaris wrote: I'll be hitting Futureshop on Tuesday. Don't need the little beauty set that Walmart is including.

Well...be going to the mall this Tuesday to a store that is related to FYE called Saturday Matineeto pick up the Blu Ray...I wonder if it's a pre-order only gift or while supplies last.....???

And I agree this trumps the Wal-mart Princess accessories that comes with Sleeping Beauty

ichabod · Post by **ichabod** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:26 am

Marky_198 wrote:(some pile of old bollocks)...but Sleeping Beauty's rescue was pan&scan.

Time for someone's medication.

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 7:30 am

Marky_198 wrote:In order tot that, I can't stand it when you get the feeling that the ends of a shot are the end of a drawing. It makes it look so empty and atmosphereless. It should be like a live action movie, what you see is not all there is. You just can tell there's more. That's what makes or breaks a film. The newer Disney classics do have that, but Sleeping Beauty's rescue was pan&scan.

OK Marky. So now, YOU the person who constantly says Walt's animated movies had more atmosphere than newer movies or DTVs or "restorations" are now saying Sleeping Beauty, perhaps the most artistic and visual of all Walt's movies - had a lack of atmosphere when it was shown in the theater? But it gained some back on P&S home video?

Coolmanio · Post by **Coolmanio** » Sat Oct 04, 2008 8:38 am

Barbossa wrote:
JasonSolaris wrote: I'll be hitting Futureshop on Tuesday. Don't need the little beauty set that Walmart is including.

Same here! Since I am know licensed, I can drive into town and go to Future Shop!

Way better than an alarm clock or a necklace.

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