I Would Like to Know... (Who Here is Gay?)

[pap64]

Thanks for the kind words, DV. But I'm not Escapay...I'm pap64, the Puertorican with Aladdin and Jas as his icon. Escapay's the wise guy with the 10th doctor icon .

Slightly off topic, but funny thing about soaps. Around here they are a staple of life. Even GUYS watch them sometimes, kids even! But I absolutely despite them.

However, I LOVE romance stories (and I mean love stories, not romance NOVELS). There's something about a guy and a girl falling in love that always gets my heart hopping. It doesn't matter of the story is light and perky (Bewitched the movie) or a tragic drama (Titanic, Moulin Rouge), if its a love story I tend to gain interest. I also really love "Beauty and the Beast" type love stories, where the main characters don't fall under the romance story archetypes (like the movie "Shallow Hal" in which Jack Black falls in love with a fat Gwyneth Paltrow XD ).

In fact, one of my stories is a romance story. And most of my times have a romance subplot.

I guess I am a romantic...

OH AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!

[Disney Villain]

I am so sorry pap64. I fixed it, lol. Thank you for the Happy Birthday!

[Disney's Divinity]

I have the feeling that if you do get married you'll make that special someone very happy because you have learned through your relationship with your mother that woman are actually beings with a heart and soul and should be treated as such.

I loved your post so much! I was mostly raised by my mother as well and closest to my [paternal] grandmother. I wasn't close to my father and he was rarely around anyway, and my other family paid little if any attention to me (my mother's parents always obsessed over my sister and ignored me; even she admits it) so I never had a strong male role model as a child and I've accumulated a lot of respect for women. And this is the reason I don't get along well with many (notice that I'm not saying all) men, my age group in particular. I'm definitely more comfortable around women, because I can understand the way they think. Not because I'm gay, but because I was close to my mother.

EDIT: I forgot to say happy birthday! It's my dad's birthday today, too!

[Isidour]

Happy birthday Disney Villian!

I fully understand you, besides, who wants to be around men while being around women who actually invites you when shopping(including lingerine) and of course...THEY MODEL IT!

[WaltDisneyFanBoy]

people are entilted to their opinion


and I do think its wrong because it's not natural and i'm not uncomfortable talking about it.
but if think they think they are that way then so be it and I have no trouble saying it and thats that.

I am gay, I am out, AND I am proud, so, you tell me girl, what the HELL is wrong with that?
I respect you, for being the person you turned out to be, So, why can't you respect me for the same reason?

[Isidour]

And everyone should be proud of being what they are WaltDisneyFanBoy, just remember that sometimes people won't think as we do but they should just respect as we respect what they think Nausica's biggest fan.

Kind of old but, if you don't agree with people accepting being gay or proud of it please avoid this thread Nausi; Remember what Thumper used to say(...before he got shot) "If you can't say something nice don't say nothing at all"

And happy birthday to your dad Disney's Divinity and I agree on what pap64 told you, because mostly of the guys raised by women tend to appreciate them more, to understand them a little more(it's a fact boys NO MAN will ever fully understand them...even science agree!--women have a more evolved brain,or concerning about communication and feelings--).

[Widdi]

Ugh...

Hate to change the subject here guys, but none of my friends are online right now and I really need to let this out....

K, so tonight I introduced Wes (my boyfriend) to my mom and he took me to meet his parents and all that went over pretty well I think. We then proceeded to have a great evening with him.

It's what happened at the end of the night that has me in a state of panic...

We were sitting outside my house and just talking and he said that he needed to get going, which was cool so I kissed him goodbye and he said "Goodnight". Now, normally this isn't a problem except that he has never just used the word Goodnight before. It's always "see you later" or "have a good one". The only person who usually says "goodnight" to me is my mom and I always say "goodnight; love you" back and wouldn't you know it, it slipped out to him as well. I didn't think about it. I didn't mean it. I didn't even register with me till I closed his car door that I had even said it to him because it's always what I respond to "goodnight" with.

I don't remember how he reacted. I said it so quickly he may not have even heard it, but I'm totally freaking out over it. I don't love him yet (though the potential is there) but I can't say that to him now that the "L-Word" has slipped out. I don't know if I even should address the issue at all... I'm just worried he took it badly. It was a knee-jerk reaction and I don't want it to cost me a great relationship with a stand-up guy.

What should I do UD? What should I do?

[jeremy88]

Well, if he brings it up just explain to him why it slipped out, since your use to saying it to your mother upon saying goodnight. I'm sure he won't mind at all and I'm sure it won't cost you the relationship.

You could even just brush it off, and when you are in love, then you will know, and you can say it openly and willingly in a moment, and its just....magical haha.

But don't sweat it, he probably didn't even hear it. If he did he could have even took it as a friendly "I love you." Perhaps you could call him to see how things are?

[WaltDisneyFanBoy]

And everyone should be proud of being what they are WaltDisneyFanBoy, just remember that sometimes people won't think as we do but they should just respect as we respect what they think Nausica's biggest fan.

Kind of old but, if you don't agree with people accepting being gay or proud of it please avoid this thread Nausi; Remember what Thumper used to say(...before he got shot) "If you can't say something nice don't say nothing at all"

And happy birthday to your dad Disney's Divinity and I agree on what pap64 told you, because mostly of the guys raised by women tend to appreciate them more, to understand them a little more(it's a fact boys NO MAN will ever fully understand them...even science agree!--women have a more evolved brain,or concerning about communication and feelings--).

It's just too bad she as'nt responded to either one of us. People can judge you, and see nasty things, and when you ask why they feel that way (about gay people) there seems to be no response what so ever, now that's NOT oke with me

[Escapay]

(and I know what you mean about slipping whenever you talk fast)

It's worse when at family get-togethers everyone is playing Catch Phrase. Because each round is timed we all speak quickly and over each other, that sometimes we'll actually say the word but nobody hears it! I still remember my aunt giving the clue "it's a type of spice, like the song..." and I just went "parsleysagerosemaryandthyme!" over and over and they had no idea what I was saying because it was all jumbled together!

I know what you mean about soap operas. Up until a few years ago I was a Days Of Our Lives & Passions fanatic. I had always watched the shows with my grandmother and a few years back during Days “Salem Serial Killer” plotline I was hooked. I got even more eye rolls back then, lol.

Aw, man, DV. Of all the soaps to have been hooked on...Days of our Lives and PASSIONS? Thankfully the latter is off the air (though Jane and I were spitefully watching the last episode and celebrating its final death...yeah, it was a helluva lot funnier than it should have been...).

If you ever plan on getting back into soaps (and they're addictive, so you'll likely get back without wanting to), check out All My Children, As The World Turns, or One Life to Live.

If you ever do scan it I’d love to see it!

I'll try! After I wrote about it in the post, I spent a half-hour digging in my closet trying to find the book that had it. Thankfully I did find it (along with a journal I forgot I had and an old "Bop It!" game), now all I need to do is take that picture.

Thank you! I truly appreciate the compliment- you really made my day (and it is my Birthday!).

You're welcome, and Happy Birthday again (I read in the Theme Parks forum that I got the year wrong...eh...age is just a state of mind anyway!).

I always enjoyed reading your posts and consider you an asset to UD. You always bring something more to the threads and you’re a true friend to everyone. Thank you!

Aw, don't say that, you'll make me blush and spout out something wiseass.

I feel bad about when I post on UD these days because it seems I can only do so during the wee hours of the morning, and even then I only seem to focus on specific topics and never really get back into my old "talk with everyone" groove.

Thanks for the kind words, DV. But I'm not Escapay...I'm pap64, the Puertorican with Aladdin and Jas as his icon. Escapay's the wise guy with the 10th doctor icon

And yay, recognition of the Doctor!

Slightly off topic, but funny thing about soaps. Around here they are a staple of life.

I'm moving to Puerto Rico now...

But I absolutely despise them.

Grrrr...

However, I LOVE romance stories (and I mean love stories, not romance NOVELS). There's something about a guy and a girl falling in love that always gets my heart hopping. It doesn't matter of the story is light and perky (Bewitched the movie) or a tragic drama (Titanic, Moulin Rouge), if its a love story I tend to gain interest. I also really love "Beauty and the Beast" type love stories, where the main characters don't fall under the romance story archetypes (like the movie "Shallow Hal" in which Jack Black falls in love with a fat Gwyneth Paltrow XD ).

In fact, one of my stories is a romance story. And most of my times have a romance subplot.

I guess I am a romantic...

Okay, you're forgiven for your "I despise soaps".

One thing that a lot of soap haters don't realize is that there's a good deal of actors and actresses who got their start in soaps (most try to sweep it under the rug, but a nice amount look back on it fondly and don't deny it), and there's also a good deal of actors and actresses who've been on soaps for years and are still stellar in their roles. Unfortunately, Hollywood and the rest of the world are under the misguided notion that acting on a soap isn't real acting, nor is it as reputable a career as any other role.

Kind of old but, if you don't agree with people accepting being gay or proud of it please avoid this thread Nausi; Remember what Thumper used to say(...before he got shot) "If you can't say something nice don't say nothing at all"

It's just too bad she as'nt responded to either one of us. People can judge you, and see nasty things, and when you ask why they feel that way (about gay people) there seems to be no response what so ever, now that's NOT oke with me

Given that she made that post in August 2005, and she hasn't posted on UD since October 2005...I think it's safe to say she won't respond at all...or is even aware that anyone replied to her.

What should I do UD? What should I do?

Dear UD,

I accidentally told my boyfriend "Goodnight, I love you" when he was leaving after dinner. I didn't even realize it until he had left, and while I don't love him yet, I don't know how to explain to him why I used the L-word out of habit. Whenever someone says "Goodnight", I always say "Goodnight, I love you". I'm freaking out, what should I do?

Signed,
Confused in Canada

Dear Confused,

Start saying "love" towards everything. Make him think you're an "I love you" slut and that you use the word "love" on everyone and everything. For example:

Police Officer: Young man, you were 20 miles over the speed limit, I'm going to have to write you a ticket.
Confused: Thank you officer for caring about the safety of myself and others, I love you!

Homeless Man: Can you spare a quarter?
Confused: I can't stand to see a fellow man in hunger. I love you, and I will buy you a hot dog, Homeless Man.

Waiter: Would you like to hear about the specials tonight?
Confused: Why yes! Thank you for enlightening us about these exceptional dishes! I love you, Waiter.

Signed,
UD

Dear UD,

Well, I tried the whole "I love you" slut thing. And now my boyfriend things that I've got emotional issues and so he surprised me and took me to a psychiatrist that he sees about his parental issues. At the same time, though, he found the whole "I love (whatever)" to be a turn-on. Now he's planning on taking me to Vermont and spending a weekend at a frickin' bed and breakfast. What the **** should I do now?

Signed,
Not Confused, Just Annoyed in Canada

Dear Annoyed,

It's a bed and breakfast. The only people who go to bed and breakfasts now are middle-aged couples trying to keep the love alive and stave off divorce for another six months. That or bed and breakfast critics. And since they're not married, they don't see how those couples are struggling to get through the breakfast part of the weekend.

Instead, what you should do is take him fishing. Nothing says "Hey, let's be bros before we get too serious" like fishing.

Signed,
UD

Dear UD,

Well, I convinced him to go fishing, but now he thinks we're doing it to be in a much more secluded place than a bed and breakfast! And yesterday he asked why I didn't say "I love you" to the check-out girl at the supermarket! We're back at that whole "be an 'I love you' slut" thing again and I really don't know what to do now! What kind of advice are you giving me?!?

Signed,
No Longer Confused or Annoyed, Just Pissed Off in Canada

Dear Pissed Off,

I'm giving you bad advice because it makes this whole schtick funny. But if you want some good advice now, here it is:

Tell him the truth. Tell him that you do it out of habit, and that you didn't realize it. Also tell him that you didn't mean it, at least not yet. He may be a bit hurt knowing that you don't love him in "that way". But then again, sometimes love takes time. And if he is serious about making the relationship work, or if he wants to reach that point where you both love each other in that way...he'll understand, and he'll wait. It will hurt him, and it will hurt you, at least in the beginning. But you'll both know where you both stand on the relationship. And if it has to end, it'll end. Just know it ended with the truth out there.

And if he doesn't buy any of that, go fishing anyway. It'll be good quality time for you guys to figure things out.

Signed,
UD



Albert

[pap64]

Escapay: I personally don't hate the actors or how they are produced. I just don't like how some of them are basically feminist fantasies with cliched elements, and at times the plots are just plain ridiculous.

Funny enough, there were some soaps that I should have watched because they offered something new and exciting. In fact, dare I say it, some of them are far more creative than any of the US soap operas.

For examples, you heard of "Ugly Betty", right? Well, it was originally a Colombian soap opera and it was a HIT. People saw it as a comedic series and whatever Betty did people would talk about it the next day.

This inspired the Mexican remake "La fea mas bella", or "The prettiest Ugly girl".

Then came "Pedro el Escamoso". The story is about a handsome man with a curly mullet, cowboy boots and a swing on his hips who goes to work and live at a mansion filled with women (I think that's the plot).

Like Betty, the soap was more comedic than drama, but still had its share of romance. It too lead to a Mexican remake.

Then came "El Clon", or "The Clone", a Brazilian epic. It was considered a flop, but was praised for its inventive settings and controversial topics.

One recent hit was "Mi Gorda Bella", "My pretty fat girl". Now this one I caught most of it. Its basically a Cinderella story in which an orphan fat girl gets abused and mocked until she meets the man of her dreams. Later on, a family inheritance enters the plot and the girl has to work hard in order to get revenge. So what she does is that she loses a lot of weight in secret, gains an alter ego and becomes this beautiful woman. As expected, the man she fell in love with is the same one that she met as a fat girl. So the rest of the plot is about how she tries to tell him that she's really the fat girl and that she loves him.

Finally, there was "Juana la virgen", "Joanna the virgin girl". The story is that a young girl accidentally gets pregnant through artificial insemination and sets out to discover who the semen donor was. As expected, she finally meets him, they hate each other but grow a fondness of each other. Throughout the season as she gets closer to becoming a mother she grows and finally, the series ends with her starting a family.

Just in case you didn't know; our soap operas have an ending. Isn't Passions still running today? Well, ours start with a story and set out to finish it.

Oh yeah, there was also "Rebelde", or "Rebels". Now this was more of a stereotypical teen show than a soap. It starred a bunch of pretty and skinny school children (the girls wear uniforms so short Anime artists blush when they see them). This series became a sensation everywhere, Puerto Rico included, to the point where the actors became the characters 24/7, and even formed a band. Yeah, what started as a soap opera became a pop culture phenomenon and its characters superstars.

They even make soaps for CHILDREN! They still contain the typical soap storyline, but its all child friendly and cute.

Finally, when I say "its a staple of life" around here I am not exaggerating. Soaps are considered vital in the ratings race. The channels compete over whose soap is grander, popular and better. So much, in fact, that critics have deemed it as a danger towards local productions and actors who want to break out. Since the soaps are imported its cheaper to get them and people will eat it up.

We get our soaps from Argentina, Brazil, Colombia and especially Mexico.

And yes, some shows envy the soaps so much that they actually spoil the endings to some of the more popular ones.

Some of the recent ones include one called " To HELL with handsome men" and "Silly girls don't go to heaven".

...And I went greatly off topic. Sorry about that, but I hope I enlightened you with a look at how soaps are viewed around here Escapay.

I admit saying that I despised them was being too harsh. Its really more of a "love/hate" relationship where I admire the topics, but hate the final execution.

[Isidour]

Kind of old but, if you don't agree with people accepting being gay or proud of it please avoid this thread Nausi; Remember what Thumper used to say(...before he got shot) "If you can't say something nice don't say nothing at all"

It's just too bad she as'nt responded to either one of us. People can judge you, and see nasty things, and when you ask why they feel that way (about gay people) there seems to be no response what so ever, now that's NOT oke with me

Given that she made that post in August 2005, and she hasn't posted on UD since October 2005...I think it's safe to say she won't respond at all...or is even aware that anyone replied to her.[/quote]

Besides, the important thing is that you're ok with yourself not a total stranger on the web

[Escapay]

feminist fantasies with cliched elements, and at times the plots are just plain ridiculous.

I've actually never heard that before regarding what a soap opera is.

Then came "El Clon", or "The Clone", a Brazilian epic. It was considered a flop, but was praised for its inventive settings and controversial topics.

I actually watched that one when it was on Telemundo! It's one of the few telenovelas that I ever got into, and one I wish was on DVD (I've only got a few episodes on VHS and I'm not even sure where they are anymore). I remember telling my Spanish teacher about it, and brought in an episode for her to watch (she was considering showing it to the class, but ultimately never got around to it). Also, my best friend and I would always say to each other "Zoraide and her notoriety" even if it made no sense (then again, inside jokes never should).

Man, I wish it would be rerun again.

Just in case you didn't know; our soap operas have an ending.

I know. That's the benefit of your soap operas. It's already planned out how it will begin and end, unlike ours. They go on forever, so after 50+ years, nearly every story worth telling was told and it just gets rehashed with newer characters. The US did try to do American telenovelas, though, in the fall of 2006. It failed badly because it was on a crappy network (the formed-from-the-debris-of-the-merger-of-UPN-and-Wb "MyNetwork TV") and the stories just weren't engaging enough.

Isn't Passions still running today?

Thankfully, no it isn't. It was first canceled by NBC and ended in September 2007, but DirecTV picked it up and continued with new episodes until August 7, 2008.

The oldest soap opera is CBS's "Guiding Light", which has been on television since June 30, 1952 (making it the longest-running dramatic series, be it daytime/primetime/abroad, in television history). Also, the show has existed since January 25, 1937, when it started on radio. The radio version ran in tandem with the television version until 1956 (and by Thanksgiving 1960, all radio soaps had ceased transmission - I've got ahold of a record that an audio excerpt of the final broadcast of "Ma Perkins", which ran on radio for 27 years). Unfortunately, the past few years haven't been kind to the "Light", and it's spent the better half of the decade at the bottom of the ratings (with a shrinking budget to go with it).

Finally, when I say "its a staple of life" around here I am not exaggerating. Soaps are considered vital in the ratings race. The channels compete over whose soap is grander, popular and better.

*sigh* I wish that was still the case here. In the 1950s, the huge popularity of soap operas (mainly the ones by CBS) helped bankroll a lot of the networks' primetime programs.

...And I went greatly off topic. Sorry about that, but I hope I enlightened you with a look at how soaps are viewed around here Escapay.

Don't worry about it. I love learning more about non-US soaps, especially how they're perceived by the people who watch them. I remember reading an article once about how "EastEnders" and "Coronation Street" (from the UK) are praised in the States because they show a gritty and realistic drama, but how some UK viewers prefer the US's glossy and glamorous soaps because of the escapism they can get. So it's always a joy to read about how soaps affect other cultures as well.

I admit saying that I despised them was being too harsh. Its really more of a "love/hate" relationship where I admire the topics, but hate the final execution.

Ah, there I can agree. I'm much too critical of soap operas, even if I am still a fan of them. But then again, it's probably because the history of the genre is very fascinating itself (the backstage drama is sometimes more interesting than what's on the screens, and my god, gossip I've heard...), and it's very underappreciated and underrepresented in most television guides/reference books/etc. And not just soap operas, but daytime television as a whole (children's programming, game shows, talk shows, etc.). Aside from the hugely popular stuff (Oprah, Phil Donahue, Sesame Street, The Price is Right), not much else will get so much as a blurb in most "history of television" books that I've come across. Heck, up until 2003 or so, Guinness Book of World Records would always erroneously report that the UK's "Coronation Street" was the longest-running drama series when CBS's "Guiding Light" and "As the World Turns" have been running longer (GL since 1952, ATWT since 1956).

Albert

[blackcauldron85]

Widdi, I think that you should just mention it, even if he doesn't mention it. Just say, "Remember when I said 'I love you' that night? Well, it's just a reflex to say 'I love you' after 'Goodnight', since it's been engrained in me to say it since I was little, and I like you, but I didn't mean to say that at that point," or something like that. If he's a decent human being, then he should totally understand and not be weirded out!

And, Albert, your Dear Abbyness made me smile- that was funny.

[WaltDisneyFanBoy]

It's just too bad she as'nt responded to either one of us. People can judge you, and see nasty things, and when you ask why they feel that way (about gay people) there seems to be no response what so ever, now that's NOT oke with me

Given that she made that post in August 2005, and she hasn't posted on UD since October 2005...I think it's safe to say she won't respond at all...or is even aware that anyone replied to her.

Besides, the important thing is that you're ok with yourself not a total stranger on the web [/quote]Yeah I did not notice this was an old toppic before I came here. I havent posted verry much on this board, before I found this toppic. I am sorry

[Widdi]

Thanks everybody. We talked about it and it turns out he didn't even hear me say it. All that worry for nothing.

And the post totally got saved to my C drive Escapy. Genius, absolutely genius.

[WaltDisneyFanBoy]

Thanks everybody. We talked about it and it turns out he didn't even hear me say it. All that worry for nothing.

And the post totally got saved to my C drive Escapy. Genius, absolutely genius.

So, all is well, now?

[WaltDisneyFanBoy]

Thanks everybody. We talked about it and it turns out he didn't even hear me say it. All that worry for nothing.

And the post totally got saved to my C drive Escapy. Genius, absolutely genius.

So, all is well, now. That's good for you

[Widdi]

Thanks everybody. We talked about it and it turns out he didn't even hear me say it. All that worry for nothing.

And the post totally got saved to my C drive Escapy. Genius, absolutely genius.

So, all is well, now?

Yup. Everything is peachy-keen.

We both agree that neither of us are in-love yet, but that there is a good possibility it will happen.

I'm happy with that.

[WaltDisneyFanBoy]

So, all is well, now?

Yup. Everything is peachy-keen.

We both agree that neither of us are in-love yet, but that there is a good possibility it will happen.

I'm happy with that.

Sounds verry good;) Hope you guys eventualy might get together. Couse you sound like a cute guy, if I may say so