Obama picks Biden. McCain picks Palin.

[toonaspie]

The only reason they can seem to come up for voting for him is, "We need to show the world that we are no longer racist" or some other crap about how it would be so great to have a black man in office to let their children know they can be anything they want to be.

I mean, I don't know about you guys, but that's been my reason.

I prefer to call Obama bi-racial as that is technically the right term to refer to his racial background. I dont blame people for calling him black though.

And I dont think that EVERYONE in the country is that shallow as to based candidates on their race and gender.

The big problem however is going to lie with the younger voters (aka college students). Everyone at my alma matter is all over Obama that it scares me. The college students are going to be the ones most led astray by both his message appeal (HOPE in giant letters seems to be all that it takes) and his race and something tells me that we are going to have the biggest young-voter turnout in American history this November.

The cold hard truth is because of these Obama has been able to put on such a huge show...he does have a huge chance of winning the election.

If both Obama and Palin are going to be played out based on show and their non caucasian male status like this and if people actually vote for them because of it, then something tells me that the future of people and political elections is going to take a downward turn where people will start to vote for their candidates more based on presentation and appearance instead of issues and experience. It will become American Idol in the real world.

I have my concerns about Palin but I have only just heard of this person today so I will have to give her time.

But I have a feeling we will be voting for McCain anyway. (I'm from a major Libertarian family, if the Democrats have any close chance of winning we vote Republican to try and stop them, heh).

[DarthPrime]

I've seen the Obama race/vote thing too. I don't get it.

Oh well... I have my concerns over McCain and Obama. I honestly have no clue who I will vote for if I decide to vote. As bad as it is to say, I might just sit this election out if my mind doesn't change.

[Widdi]

But I have a feeling we will be voting for McCain anyway. (I'm from a major Libertarian family, if the Democrats have any close chance of winning we vote Republican to try and stop them, heh).

My libertarian family (half my family are legally American citizens) do the exact opposite. They all plan to vote for Obama. They would vote for Barr if he had any chance of winning, but they vote Democrat because they think Obama's Government will be less intrusive in their life than McCain's. They thought the same thing about Kerry in 04 but did vote (regretfully) for Bush in 2000.

[castleinthesky]

But I have a feeling we will be voting for McCain anyway. (I'm from a major Libertarian family, if the Democrats have any close chance of winning we vote Republican to try and stop them, heh).

My libertarian family (half my family are legally American citizens) do the exact opposite. They all plan to vote for Obama. They would vote for Barr if he had any chance of winning, but they vote Democrat because they think Obama's Government will be less intrusive in their life than McCain's. They thought the same thing about Kerry in 04 but did vote (regretfully) for Bush in 2000.

That really doesn't make sense, no offense though. Libertairans are for very limited government. McCain wants bigger government while Obama wants huge government. Barr or Baldwin would be the prime choice for Libertarians, with McCain/Palin as a pick if you want to vote for a "winner'.

This would be the spectrum

Authoritarian Govt.........Obama/Dems.........McCain/Republicans..........Barr/Baldwin/Libs/Constitutionalists (right wing/break away wings of Republican party).......... Anarchy

on Palin:

"Alaska Governor Sarah Palin has been officially chosen as John McCain's Vice Presidential candidate.

Carl Cameron of Fox says that confirmation has come from a "top McCain official" on the ground in Dayton, OH, and was careful to note that it wasn't just from a "top GOP official."

The Washington Post and other sources are also confirming the pick of Palin.

Sarah Palin has long been considered to be a libertarian-leaning Republican. As Mayor of Wasila (Anchorage suburb), Palin was friends with local libertarian Republican elected officials, and worked closely with them on tax cut proposals.

She is known to have spoken to two Libertarian Party meetings in 2004/05. She was endorsed by the Libertarian Party of Alaska in the final days of her race for Governor in 2006, even though the LP had it's own candidate. On election night, Ms. Palin at the Egan Center, went out of her way to acknowledge the Libertarian Party's support in her victory speech. Immediately afterwards, she embraced then LPA Chairman Jason Dowell in the crowd. Dowell, and other Libertarians had stood on street corners waving signs for Palin the final two days."

[Disney's Divinity]

And I dont think that EVERYONE in the country is that shallow as to based candidates on their race and gender.

Yet again someone comments on my opinion without actually reading it.

It will become American Idol in the real world.

You mean it isn't already? Why else do you think people are so concerned with the personal lives of their politicians? I already know my aunt and uncle (who I've never liked, and this is just another reason) aren't planning to vote for Obama because he's not Christian. America at it's best.

[buffalobill]

I already know my aunt and uncle (who I've never liked, and this is just another reason) aren't planning to vote for Obama because he's not Christian. America at it's best. [/quote]

You might want to inform your aunt & uncle that in spite of the right wing misinformation campaign Obama is a card carrying Christian, not a Muslim.

Somewhere in Indiana Dan Quayle has to be smiling as he's no longer the worst veep choice in American history. McCain's first major decision as the presumptive GOP nominee was a big fat strikeout.

[castleinthesky]

I already know my aunt and uncle (who I've never liked, and this is just another reason) aren't planning to vote for Obama because he's not Christian. America at it's best.

You might want to inform your aunt & uncle that in spite of the right wing misinformation campaign Obama is a card carrying Christian, not a Muslim.

Somewhere in Indiana Dan Quayle has to be smiling as he's no longer the worst veep choice in American history. McCain's first major decision as the presumptive GOP nominee was a big fat strikeout.

You must really not understand the power of Palin. She unites the GOP, which is the most important thing McCain needed. 10% of the GOP would have voted for Barr without her. Another 10% would have stayed home. If McCain had picked Romney or Pawlenty they would have still voted Barr or stayed home. If Lieberman had been picked, the already cripped GOP would have had a stroke and died. Palin unites the wings of the GOP that would have not voted for McCain. While McCain had the neo-cons and moderates, Palin brings back the evangelicals, the states-rights conservatives, libertarian conservatives, paleconservatives, and log cabin republicans. All these groups would have abstained or voted libertarian/constitution in November; now they will put their power and support behind McCain.

Romeny may have attracted some people from these groups. Pawlenty would do the same. Neither would attract large portions from all. Romney is despised by paleo-cons, libertarians, and evangelicals. Even Huckabee would only appeal to evangelicals and populists, not the paleo-con/libertarian base.

Palin was the best posible choice.

Besides the unity of the GOP she brings youth to the GOP, she attracts disenchanted Democrats (Hillary and Richardson supporters; Richardson pro gun). She knows first hand the energy crisis, and she is an outsider, not a crony from Washington, like Biden.

She can help McCain win the west and Midwest. She will attract the libertarians who supported Ron Paul in large numbers in states like Nevada, Montana, Colorado, North Dakota, and Minnesota. She will bring New Hampshire and Maine into play and she will prevent Barr from possibly stealing the show in Georgia and North Carolina.

[buffalobill]

Are you telling me that if McCain died January 21st she'd be qualified to be President? Seriously, the mayor of a town of 6,000 & then the governor of Alaska for 18 months is qualified to make all Presidential decision? Obama's campaign has lasted as long as she's been in office. She makes Quayle look like FDR. I'm not saying she isn't in total lock step with the Republican party. Totally pro life even in cases of rape, incest & life of the mother etc.... but would you want her to look into Putin's eyes & see the goodness of his soul (oops bad analogy)?

[SpringHeelJack]

I think there's this thought that Palin will attract Democrats upset over Hillary not being nominated, which I think insults the intelligence of Hillary supporters. I can't think of anyone who would say "Oh, Hillary isn't on the ballot, so I'll just vote for another woman". The only similarity between Hillary and Sarah Palin is that they are both women. It pretty much ends there. Anyone who takes a look at Palin's voting records and choices will see that she has very little in common with Hillary Clinton.

[castleinthesky]

Are you telling me that if McCain died January 21st she'd be qualified to be President? Seriously, the mayor of a town of 6,000 & then the governor of Alaska for 18 months is qualified to make all Presidential decision? Obama's campaign has lasted as long as she's been in office. She makes Quayle look like FDR. I'm not saying she isn't in total lock step with the Republican party. Totally pro life even in cases of rape, incest & life of the mother etc.... but would you want her to look into Putin's eyes & see the goodness of his soul (oops bad analogy)?

I'd trust her paleconservative, anti-war views over Obama's. Obama has no executive experience, while she does. Obama has 4 years more legislative experience, but as president, you need executive experience, which she has more than McCain, Obama, and Biden.

And thank goodness someone is sticking up pro-life.

[toonaspie]

My libertarian family (half my family are legally American citizens) do the exact opposite. They all plan to vote for Obama. They would vote for Barr if he had any chance of winning, but they vote Democrat because they think Obama's Government will be less intrusive in their life than McCain's. They thought the same thing about Kerry in 04 but did vote (regretfully) for Bush in 2000.

That really doesn't make sense, no offense though. Libertairans are for very limited government. McCain wants bigger government while Obama wants huge government. Barr or Baldwin would be the prime choice for Libertarians, with McCain/Palin as a pick if you want to vote for a "winner'.

This would be the spectrum

Authoritarian Govt.........Obama/Dems.........McCain/Republicans..........Barr/Baldwin/Libs/Constitutionalists (right wing/break away wings of Republican party).......... Anarchy

on Palin:

"Alaska Governor Sarah Palin has been officially chosen as John McCain's Vice Presidential candidate.

Carl Cameron of Fox says that confirmation has come from a "top McCain official" on the ground in Dayton, OH, and was careful to note that it wasn't just from a "top GOP official."

The Washington Post and other sources are also confirming the pick of Palin.

Sarah Palin has long been considered to be a libertarian-leaning Republican. As Mayor of Wasila (Anchorage suburb), Palin was friends with local libertarian Republican elected officials, and worked closely with them on tax cut proposals.

She is known to have spoken to two Libertarian Party meetings in 2004/05. She was endorsed by the Libertarian Party of Alaska in the final days of her race for Governor in 2006, even though the LP had it's own candidate. On election night, Ms. Palin at the Egan Center, went out of her way to acknowledge the Libertarian Party's support in her victory speech. Immediately afterwards, she embraced then LPA Chairman Jason Dowell in the crowd. Dowell, and other Libertarians had stood on street corners waving signs for Palin the final two days."

True but the election is always gonna come down to Republicans vs Democratcs. Libertarians get very few votes (usually between 2-5%). There are only about 200,000 registered Libertarians in the entire nation. It could be decades from now or never that U.S. elections for huge roles such as Presidency will have a third party in serious competition with them.

The Obama vs McCain is going to be very tight, so tight that voters/supporters of third party candidates will most likely vote for what each believes is the lesser of two evils if it will keep the other guy from winning.

[Widdi]

My American family members are left-leaning Libertarians. There are both.

I too am a left-leaning Libertarian. But I'm Canadian so my political affiliations are a moot point in this discussion.

[carter1971]

Are you telling me that if McCain died January 21st she'd be qualified to be President? Seriously, the mayor of a town of 6,000 & then the governor of Alaska for 18 months is qualified to make all Presidential decision? Obama's campaign has lasted as long as she's been in office. She makes Quayle look like FDR. I'm not saying she isn't in total lock step with the Republican party. Totally pro life even in cases of rape, incest & life of the mother etc.... but would you want her to look into Putin's eyes & see the goodness of his soul (oops bad analogy)?

I'd trust her paleconservative, anti-war views over Obama's. Obama has no executive experience, while she does. Obama has 4 years more legislative experience, but as president, you need executive experience, which she has more than McCain, Obama, and Biden.

And thank goodness someone is sticking up pro-life.

Can't really say it any better than this. It amazes me how the media and others are still harping on her lack of experience while giving Obama a pass. As I said in a previous post, 18 months of experience running a government is better than 3 years in the Senate, especially when said senator has spent most of that time running for president.

And as castleinthesky said in a previous post, she has energized people who wouldn't have otherwise given McCain consideration, myself included. Had he picked Romney, Ridge, or most of the others he considered, I'd be sitting on the couch this Election Day.

[PatrickvD]

Christmas has come early for Tina Fey by the way.



How much do we wanna bet SNL's opening skit this year involves Fey as Palin, a miss Alaska outfit and a shotgun?

Live from Alaska, it's Saturday Night Live!!!

[SpringHeelJack]

Wow. Sarah Palin is such a GILF. Would that I were the father of a baby named after a high school event.

And Tina Fey is so perfect to play her. I hope she does. I could see Amy Poehler doing it too, given she's a regular.

[Dottie]

The Sarah Palin/Tina Fey thing cracked me up!! Totally made my day!

[MadonnasManOne]

Tina Fey did a SPOT ON impersonation of Sarah Palin, and the skit of Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton addressing the nation is the funniest thing I have seen in a LONG time! Excellent job!

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[Dottie]

That was absolutely hilarious, I was almost literally lying on the floor laughing. Tina Fey was absolutely perfect and she totally nailed that accent.

[lord-of-sith]

I loved the SNL skit! That was awesome! That, and Walken's googly-eyed plants are my two favorite skits within the past two or so years (though i do enjoy penelope too).

I really hope Tina's able to return to the show semi-regularly (30 Rock films in NY, so why not?), because that was great!

[Daisy Duck]

That was really funny! Ironically, Sarah Palin once dressed up as Tina Fey for Halloween. So I guess she had to see this coming when she accepted the VP nomination.