Obama picks Biden. McCain picks Palin.
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Obama picks Biden. McCain picks Palin.
To the other politically concious UDers (many of whom wear there support in their sigs) the tickets are now complete.
Barack Obama selects Senator Joe Biden as his running mate:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/veepstakes;_ ... pPlS_Cw5R4
John McCain picks current Governor of Alaska: Sarah Palin:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/0808 ... n_vp_palin
*****Widdi's Opinion Starts Here*****
Joe Biden is a good pick for Obama as he adds years of experience to the Democratic ticket. The obvious choice (and perhaps smarter if Obama wanted to win) would have be Hilary Clinton, but overall the Dem's ticket seems to be okay.
Sarah Palin is an odd choice seeing as how inexperienced she actually is federal level politics, but from a strategic point of view she is a great draw to the ticket for Democrats (or anybody really) who wants to see a woman in the White House. I'm just overly happy that he didn't pick Mitt "let the gay kids kill themselves for all I care" Romney.
Let the games... continue?
Barack Obama selects Senator Joe Biden as his running mate:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/veepstakes;_ ... pPlS_Cw5R4
John McCain picks current Governor of Alaska: Sarah Palin:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/0808 ... n_vp_palin
*****Widdi's Opinion Starts Here*****
Joe Biden is a good pick for Obama as he adds years of experience to the Democratic ticket. The obvious choice (and perhaps smarter if Obama wanted to win) would have be Hilary Clinton, but overall the Dem's ticket seems to be okay.
Sarah Palin is an odd choice seeing as how inexperienced she actually is federal level politics, but from a strategic point of view she is a great draw to the ticket for Democrats (or anybody really) who wants to see a woman in the White House. I'm just overly happy that he didn't pick Mitt "let the gay kids kill themselves for all I care" Romney.
Let the games... continue?
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I am astonished that someone like McCain would choose someone so hardcore, but I guess he will attract all the right Republicans.
I don't know enough about Biden, but I guess his age and experience are a good addition to the Obama campaign.
However in both cases I don't think that the person who runs for vice-president has that much influence on who the president will be in the end. The choice of vice-president might make you more convinced that the person you're gonna vote for is the right one for the job, but I can't imagine that somebody would change their mind just because of the choice of running mate.
I don't know enough about Biden, but I guess his age and experience are a good addition to the Obama campaign.
However in both cases I don't think that the person who runs for vice-president has that much influence on who the president will be in the end. The choice of vice-president might make you more convinced that the person you're gonna vote for is the right one for the job, but I can't imagine that somebody would change their mind just because of the choice of running mate.

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Same here. Biden was my choice for Obama's veep from the day he clinched the nomination. Brilliant, well spoken (although he does talk too much at times), great biography, wonderful family, well grounded (travels home every night from DC to Delaware). I can't think of anyone with a better resume. Closest would've been Bill Richardson. This ticket has to beat McBush. I can't afford 4 more years of these economic policies (not to mention the countless wars). I made a bunch of money in my retirement account during those scandalous "Clinton Years" & lost $25,000 this year in the market with the wonderful Bush economy. 4 more years of Republican rule & I'll be in a bread line while waiting for food stamps with no savings left.Simba3 wrote:I like Biden fairly well, and I think he will make a good running mate for Barack.
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If Barack Obama were smart, and I don't believe he is, he would have chosen Hillary Clinton as his running mate. That would show that he really knew how to win in November. Of course, America made a terrible choice in pushing Barack Obama as the Democratic nominee. Since he didn't choose Hillary Clinton, he will not get my vote.
Of course, I won't vote for John McCain, either.
Also, I find it funny that many people, including myself, feel Hillary Clinton's speech urging Democrats to unite, and vote for Barack Obama, was much more inspiring than Barack Obama's acceptance speech. I watched both speeches, and I have to say, I can't see what it is about Barack Obama that people are so crazy about. He talks about change, but, there is no substance to his words. Amazing that so many people have put their blinders on, and want to elect this man as President of the United States of America. Yet, again, America is wasting our chance at greatness.
I guess I'll save some gas money, not having to go to the polls to vote in November.
Of course, I won't vote for John McCain, either.
Also, I find it funny that many people, including myself, feel Hillary Clinton's speech urging Democrats to unite, and vote for Barack Obama, was much more inspiring than Barack Obama's acceptance speech. I watched both speeches, and I have to say, I can't see what it is about Barack Obama that people are so crazy about. He talks about change, but, there is no substance to his words. Amazing that so many people have put their blinders on, and want to elect this man as President of the United States of America. Yet, again, America is wasting our chance at greatness.
I guess I'll save some gas money, not having to go to the polls to vote in November.
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Does anybody ever stop to think that maybe Hilary turned him down? A person has the right to say "no" if they want to.
And Hilary supporters can always write her name in, it's pretty much a waste of of a vote, but it's still better than not voting at all.
And in terms of policy Clinton and Obama really aren't all that different. No they didn't agree on everything, but in the big scheme of things they are pretty much the same when it comes to policy which is why it confuses me so that Clinton supporters can't throw their support, even grudgingly, behind Obama. Not even when their own Golden Girl does.
I dunno, maybe I'm missing something here. Perhaps people feel cheated out of a woman president, or actually (for whatever reason) see Obama is a worse candidate.
In the big scheme of things Obama's false promises and overblown ideas are probably better for the country than "Stay the course (and maybe take a few steps backwards)" McCain's false promises and overblown ideas. Isn't that reason enough to give him the chance even if he isn't exactly who you want to see in the White House?
Would Hilary Clinton have made a better president? I don't know, but the fact of the matter is at this point it doesn't matter because she isn't going to be president. Barack Obama or John McCain is going to be president and it's the civic duty of every American to choose which of these two men they think will do the better job. And if you don't want to choose between them pick some other Independent or write in a name, but for god sakes vote. It's the people who didn't exercise their right to choose who put the US in the mess it's in write now. Maybe if more people had got off their couches and did their civic duty the last 4 to 8 years wouldn't be years we want to forget as fast as possible.
I dunno, just my two cents. Take it or leave it.
And Hilary supporters can always write her name in, it's pretty much a waste of of a vote, but it's still better than not voting at all.
And in terms of policy Clinton and Obama really aren't all that different. No they didn't agree on everything, but in the big scheme of things they are pretty much the same when it comes to policy which is why it confuses me so that Clinton supporters can't throw their support, even grudgingly, behind Obama. Not even when their own Golden Girl does.
I dunno, maybe I'm missing something here. Perhaps people feel cheated out of a woman president, or actually (for whatever reason) see Obama is a worse candidate.
In the big scheme of things Obama's false promises and overblown ideas are probably better for the country than "Stay the course (and maybe take a few steps backwards)" McCain's false promises and overblown ideas. Isn't that reason enough to give him the chance even if he isn't exactly who you want to see in the White House?
Would Hilary Clinton have made a better president? I don't know, but the fact of the matter is at this point it doesn't matter because she isn't going to be president. Barack Obama or John McCain is going to be president and it's the civic duty of every American to choose which of these two men they think will do the better job. And if you don't want to choose between them pick some other Independent or write in a name, but for god sakes vote. It's the people who didn't exercise their right to choose who put the US in the mess it's in write now. Maybe if more people had got off their couches and did their civic duty the last 4 to 8 years wouldn't be years we want to forget as fast as possible.
I dunno, just my two cents. Take it or leave it.
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Alot seems to be pointing to either that, or he never considered her to begin with.Widdi wrote:Does anybody ever stop to think that maybe Hilary turned him down? A person has the right to say "no" if they want to.
On another note there are rumors McCain has picked Sarah Palin Govenor of Alaska as his VP. I personally consider it an insult for McCain to think he can get Hiliary Supporters by putting a woman on his ticket. I can't speak for all of us, but I supported Clinon because I agreed with her politics, not because she was a woman.
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Thank goodness my insider was wrong! (on the Tom Feeney campaign for Congress).
Sarah Palin was one I watched the last few months. Last july 16 I wrote a short article explaining why Palin would be the best choice for the VP.
Most importantly, she solidifies the GOP. Paleconservatives, state rights Republicans, and libertarians will vote for her, as she has even considered herself a libertarian and has worked hard with libertarian lawmakers in Alaska. She will also appeal to evangelicals (even though she is not a member of that wing of the GOP). She will attract young and possibly females, both groups which the Democratic Party wished to take.
She will suck strenght out of the Libertarian and Constitution parties while taking support from the Democratic party.
Great move.
Sarah Palin was one I watched the last few months. Last july 16 I wrote a short article explaining why Palin would be the best choice for the VP.
Most importantly, she solidifies the GOP. Paleconservatives, state rights Republicans, and libertarians will vote for her, as she has even considered herself a libertarian and has worked hard with libertarian lawmakers in Alaska. She will also appeal to evangelicals (even though she is not a member of that wing of the GOP). She will attract young and possibly females, both groups which the Democratic Party wished to take.
She will suck strenght out of the Libertarian and Constitution parties while taking support from the Democratic party.
Great move.
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Hmm. I can't imagine why politics don't enthuse me this year? 
Well, now I've still got no clue who to vote for. I don't like either one of them, and I was hoping McCain would choose Romney for VP. Instead, he lost points in my book by choosing someone less experienced than Obama. Great move there, Johnny boy.
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Well, now I've still got no clue who to vote for. I don't like either one of them, and I was hoping McCain would choose Romney for VP. Instead, he lost points in my book by choosing someone less experienced than Obama. Great move there, Johnny boy.

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The only thing I don't like about supporters of Obama (and this isn't for all of them, of course, and it isn't really even about Obama himself) is that the only reason they can seem to come up for voting for him is, "We need to show the world that we are no longer racist" or some other crap about how it would be so great to have a black man in office to let their children know they can be anything they want to be. I really don't care if he's black, as long as he can do the job--and a black man can be just as horrible a president as any other candidate. And, if we're going to play the "abused" cared, Hilary still should've been the choice, considering women have been more widely discriminated against than any particular race.
Either way, I agree that Obama and Hilary seemed very similar in their ideas, but I only wanted Hilary because she is more experienced. Obama says a lot, but saying does not equal doing. Still, I don't have any support for McCain at all. Not because he's Republican, just that he seems like he couldn't do very much to help the country in any way. In fact, I find it somewhat ridiculus that some people always vote straight Democrat or Republican regardless of the candidates. On public issues, I'm liberal. Economically, I'm certainly more conservative.
Also, I'm vaguely irritated that the general mood of this election is that Obama's already won. I remember hearing that he met with a foreign minister (or something like that) and wondering if a candidate has ever done that before they've won? Maybe I'm just politically oblivious.
Btw, this'll be my first year voting, though I'm not sure who I would've chosen last election either. Kerry was appealing to me only because he supported gay marriage (which is, I think, the only reason so many people didn't vote for him; it's definitely all I heard talk about most in my high school), but he has a bad history and I wouldn't have trusted him as president.
Either way, I agree that Obama and Hilary seemed very similar in their ideas, but I only wanted Hilary because she is more experienced. Obama says a lot, but saying does not equal doing. Still, I don't have any support for McCain at all. Not because he's Republican, just that he seems like he couldn't do very much to help the country in any way. In fact, I find it somewhat ridiculus that some people always vote straight Democrat or Republican regardless of the candidates. On public issues, I'm liberal. Economically, I'm certainly more conservative.
Also, I'm vaguely irritated that the general mood of this election is that Obama's already won. I remember hearing that he met with a foreign minister (or something like that) and wondering if a candidate has ever done that before they've won? Maybe I'm just politically oblivious.
Btw, this'll be my first year voting, though I'm not sure who I would've chosen last election either. Kerry was appealing to me only because he supported gay marriage (which is, I think, the only reason so many people didn't vote for him; it's definitely all I heard talk about most in my high school), but he has a bad history and I wouldn't have trusted him as president.

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I mean, I don't know about you guys, but that's been my reason.Disney's Divinity wrote:The only reason they can seem to come up for voting for him is, "We need to show the world that we are no longer racist" or some other crap about how it would be so great to have a black man in office to let their children know they can be anything they want to be.
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First I have to say that choosing Palin is a very, very clever move on McCain's side and it might draw many "feminist" voters to vote for him just to see a woman become VP and possibly president seeing that McCain is not that young anymore and his health is supposedly not the best either.
But this move might have saved the election for him, not only because she's a woman but because of her very good reputation and the clever choices she has made in Alaska. She appeals to many groups and people might actually vote for McCain because of her.
On the other hand he also contradicts himself by choosing someone who is even more inexperienced than Obama especially concerning the national and international field. However her executive experience is a big plus for her.
Oh, and not voting is actually the worst thing you can do. It's what kills democracy and even if you turn in an invalid vote it's still better than not voting at all. Not voting got Georgie into office and not voting at all might give this country more of what it has seen for the last 8 years no matter how much McCain tries to distance himself from Bush.
But this move might have saved the election for him, not only because she's a woman but because of her very good reputation and the clever choices she has made in Alaska. She appeals to many groups and people might actually vote for McCain because of her.
On the other hand he also contradicts himself by choosing someone who is even more inexperienced than Obama especially concerning the national and international field. However her executive experience is a big plus for her.
Oh, and not voting is actually the worst thing you can do. It's what kills democracy and even if you turn in an invalid vote it's still better than not voting at all. Not voting got Georgie into office and not voting at all might give this country more of what it has seen for the last 8 years no matter how much McCain tries to distance himself from Bush.

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Hey everyone. It's been a long time since I've been active at UD, due mostly to the lack of Disney DVD activities as well as some other issues I won't go into here. But I saw this thread and figured I'd add my view on some things.
First, regarding anyone who says that they are not inclined to vote in this election: I majored in political science in college and have been a political junkie my whole life. I never understood how someone could pass up the opportunity to vote in a presidential election, and certainly never thought I'd see the day that I declined to vote in one. But that's exactly what happened to me in 2004. I've voted Republican my whole life, but I was disgusted with Bush and the party over a number of issues, mostly Iraq and the Patriot Act. The Democrats had a golden opportunity to show Bush the door, and blew it by nominating someone who couldn't even make up his own mind on the issues, most importantly on Iraq. Kerry was the worst nominee the Democrats put up since Mondale, and that was the only reason Bush won re-election. I took a lot of heat from friends for not voting, but I told them that I refused to support someone that I could not believe in, just for the sake of voting. So, I can definitely see where MM1 and anyone else is coming from on that issue.
Now for my opinion on this years election. I supported Ron Paul in the primaries, and with his defeat, it looked like this election would be a repeat of 2004 for me, a sit-out affair. I deeply dislike McCain's stance on Iraq, but thankfully this issue may be off the table soon if a withdrawal agreement can be reached before the next president takes office. As for Obama, I had actually flirted with the idea of voting for him just because I can't stomach another four years that would even resemble the last eight. I was very moved by his speech last night, but if he had his way the already bloated federal government would grow even more and affect our lives even more than it does now. I can't stomach that either. So, this morning, I was back to thinking I wouldn't vote at all. Then I saw McCain's choice for VP, Sarah Palin. I'm very excited over her, possibly enough to get me to vote for the ticket, even though I'm still not thrilled with McCain. I will second what castle said about her experience, because it's not something you'll hear from the media. I'll take 1 1/2 years of gubernatorial experience over 3 years of Senatorial experience. It really does matter, and I've been telling people all day that as far as that's concerned, she's the most experienced person on either ticket. Actually running a government is a very different deal than being in the legislative branch. The fact that she and I agree on a great number of issues adds greatly to her appeal.
Well, there are my thoughts on the election to this point. This year, I've gone from supporting Paul, to deciding not to vote, then to considering Obama, then not voting again, to now considering McCain. It's been a strange and interesting election for me so far, as I usually have no trouble deciding what I'm going to do.
Oh, and sorry it was so long and I rambled at times, but I had to make up for a year of not posting.
First, regarding anyone who says that they are not inclined to vote in this election: I majored in political science in college and have been a political junkie my whole life. I never understood how someone could pass up the opportunity to vote in a presidential election, and certainly never thought I'd see the day that I declined to vote in one. But that's exactly what happened to me in 2004. I've voted Republican my whole life, but I was disgusted with Bush and the party over a number of issues, mostly Iraq and the Patriot Act. The Democrats had a golden opportunity to show Bush the door, and blew it by nominating someone who couldn't even make up his own mind on the issues, most importantly on Iraq. Kerry was the worst nominee the Democrats put up since Mondale, and that was the only reason Bush won re-election. I took a lot of heat from friends for not voting, but I told them that I refused to support someone that I could not believe in, just for the sake of voting. So, I can definitely see where MM1 and anyone else is coming from on that issue.
Now for my opinion on this years election. I supported Ron Paul in the primaries, and with his defeat, it looked like this election would be a repeat of 2004 for me, a sit-out affair. I deeply dislike McCain's stance on Iraq, but thankfully this issue may be off the table soon if a withdrawal agreement can be reached before the next president takes office. As for Obama, I had actually flirted with the idea of voting for him just because I can't stomach another four years that would even resemble the last eight. I was very moved by his speech last night, but if he had his way the already bloated federal government would grow even more and affect our lives even more than it does now. I can't stomach that either. So, this morning, I was back to thinking I wouldn't vote at all. Then I saw McCain's choice for VP, Sarah Palin. I'm very excited over her, possibly enough to get me to vote for the ticket, even though I'm still not thrilled with McCain. I will second what castle said about her experience, because it's not something you'll hear from the media. I'll take 1 1/2 years of gubernatorial experience over 3 years of Senatorial experience. It really does matter, and I've been telling people all day that as far as that's concerned, she's the most experienced person on either ticket. Actually running a government is a very different deal than being in the legislative branch. The fact that she and I agree on a great number of issues adds greatly to her appeal.
Well, there are my thoughts on the election to this point. This year, I've gone from supporting Paul, to deciding not to vote, then to considering Obama, then not voting again, to now considering McCain. It's been a strange and interesting election for me so far, as I usually have no trouble deciding what I'm going to do.
Oh, and sorry it was so long and I rambled at times, but I had to make up for a year of not posting.

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