BOLT (formerly American Dog) Discussion

yukitora · Post by **yukitora** » Fri May 09, 2008 9:36 am

I wonder why there weren't any boycotting of Tom Cruise movies (or were there?).

I didn't see anything like this for Hairspray either.

Dumb.

Jules · Post by **Jules** » Fri May 09, 2008 2:54 pm

I was so sickened with that video I sent Jerry Beck an email to see what he thought. He agrees wholeheartedly and has pointed out (just like yukitora) why they didn't boycott Hairspray.

Here's the reply I received.

"That You Tube video is ridiculous and bringing attention to it only promotes it's hate speech. I will not post about it on Cartoon Brew.

Boycotting BOLT over Travolta's voice is ridiculous. Why didn't they boycott HAIRSPRAY or a dozen other films??

Thanks for showing me the video. I agree with you.

Jerry"

On a sidenote, I feel kind of thrilled to be receiving an email from Mr. Beck. I really like him.

Jules · Post by **Jules** » Wed May 14, 2008 12:24 pm

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I really do want a trailer.

I'm dying.

Jules · Post by **Jules** » Thu May 15, 2008 6:49 am

Gah, Amid. Stop being so harsh. I actually like the designs!

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/disney/bolt- ... er-designs

singerguy04 · Post by **singerguy04** » Thu May 15, 2008 10:11 am

I'm always suprised when people bash a design as being unimaginative. Given the story, how imaginative can you be? Is he wanting Penny to be purple or something? she is just a little girl after all. I think the new design resembles Miley a lot better, and she's also a lot less like Lilo which seemed to be a problem earlier. I really like Bolt's design all together.

Jules · Post by **Jules** » Thu May 15, 2008 1:06 pm

A teaser trailer for Ice Age 3 (due July 2009) and not one for Bolt? I'm seething.

ichabod · Post by **ichabod** » Fri May 16, 2008 3:30 am

Three guesses who'll be getting that book.

http://www.cartoonbrew.com/books/upcomi ... icle-books

blackcauldron85 · Post by **blackcauldron85** » Fri May 16, 2008 7:26 am

Penny kind of reminds me of Violet from "The Incredibles"...does anyone else see the resemblance?

Ariel'sprince · Post by **Ariel'sprince** » Fri May 16, 2008 7:30 am

Yeah,good point! her desgin reminded me somethig but I couldn't point on what.

Jules · Post by **Jules** » Fri May 16, 2008 12:23 pm

So where's the trailer?

Ariel'sprince · Post by **Ariel'sprince** » Fri May 16, 2008 12:48 pm

Once upon a dream

.
Don't worry

I"m sure that WALL-E will have the trailer

.

steve · Post by **steve** » Fri May 16, 2008 2:59 pm

How much for bets that Chris Sanders' art won't be in that book...

yukitora · Post by **yukitora** » Fri May 16, 2008 8:44 pm

Did Ratatouille have Jan Pinkava's work on the film?

I don't think Disney will completely remove Sandlers credit from the film... of course.

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Fri May 16, 2008 11:28 pm

yukitora wrote:Did Ratatouille have Jan Pinkava's work on the film?.

I don't know. Did they?

yukitora wrote:I don't think Disney will completely remove Sanders credit from the film... of course.

Sanders' case is different from Pinkava's though. Sanders left in really bad terms and went to work in a rival company. Probably Disney will avoid posting his art in fear of a possible lawsuit.

yukitora · Post by **yukitora** » Sat May 17, 2008 4:30 am

^I forgot about the possible lawsuits. Damn! But he'll still have credits over the original conception/characters on the film, if anything.

Pinkava eventually left to. Damn Lasetter, losing two extremely talented artists. Isn't there a way to make changes without going to the extreme?

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Sat May 17, 2008 4:53 am

yukitora wrote:
Pinkava eventually left to. Damn Lasetter, losing two extremely talented artists. Isn't there a way to make changes without going to the extreme?

I agree. He should find another way of resolving artistic differences rather than forcing them with his way to leave.

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Sat May 17, 2008 5:21 am

Well, to be fair a lot of creative people are somewhat opinionated. If they simply rolled over and agreed with any changes Lasseter requested/demanded, how would that reflect on the original artist? Would they have "sold out" or would you see them as having no artistic vision?

Yes, I know a lot of creative people work within contrainsts - you can't have a Disney animated classic featuring swearing for example. But I think these a different than investing time and effort into creating something truely original within the pre-defined and agreed constraints and then finding out others want to change your vision and work. I think its expected the vast majority of people would leave the company in question under those circumstances. Directors, producers and even actors have vowed not to work with certain people or for certain studios before now for example. Why should writers be different? After all, its writers who often get their work compromised more than any other leg in the movie making latter.

Personally I think that Disney has made a big mistake letting Sanders go. He only created the biggest single merchandisable character for Disney in recent years with Stitch (Pixar merchandise my make more money, but it sends to be ensamble led rather than a single character) but they really have lost the most original filmmakers they ever had IMO. Who knows? Perhaps one day they will regret it.

But saying all that, if Lasseter was hired to do a job, he has to do it. All those fun hijinks on DVDs about Pixar and Lasseter aren't really true. In order to do his job Lasseter needs some form of authority, and he also needs to demonstrate it if required. Disney is paying Lasseter big bucks for his judgements, so obviously they're more likely to back his views over others'. That said, I think Disney are wrong.

As for Sanders getting screen credit, he'll have to. Stuff like the Writers Guild will insist upon it. He'll probably only get "based on characters created by..." but he'll get some credit.

akhenaten · Post by **akhenaten** » Sat May 17, 2008 5:49 am

if they want to put sanders arts in the book..it wouldnt be illegal..technically all art produce to create a certain company's production belongs to the company and not to the artist...

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Sat May 17, 2008 6:08 am

2099net wrote:Well, to be fair a lot of creative people are somewhat opinionated. If they simply rolled over and agreed with any changes Lasseter requested/demanded, how would that reflect on the original artist? Would they have "sold out" or would you see them as having no artistic vision?

Yes, I know a lot of creative people work within contrainsts - you can't have a Disney animated classic featuring swearing for example. But I think these a different than investing time and effort into creating something truely original within the pre-defined and agreed constraints and then finding out others want to change your vision and work. I think its expected the vast majority of people would leave the company in question under those circumstances. Directors, producers and even actors have vowed not to work with certain people or for certain studios before now for example. Why should writers be different? After all, its writers who often get their work compromised more than any other leg in the movie making latter.

Personally I think that Disney has made a big mistake letting Sanders go. He only created the biggest single merchandisable character for Disney in recent years with Stitch (Pixar merchandise my make more money, but it sends to be ensamble led rather than a single character) but they really have lost the most original filmmakers they ever had IMO. Who knows? Perhaps one day they will regret it.

But saying all that, if Lasseter was hired to do a job, he has to do it. All those fun hijinks on DVDs about Pixar and Lasseter aren't really true. In order to do his job Lasseter needs some form of authority, and he also needs to demonstrate it if required. Disney is paying Lasseter big bucks for his judgements, so obviously they're more likely to back his views over others'. That said, I think Disney are wrong.

As for Sanders getting screen credit, he'll have to. Stuff like the Writers Guild will insist upon it. He'll probably only get "based on characters created by..." but he'll get some credit.

I couldn't have said it better. My feelings exactly

steve · Post by **steve** » Sat May 17, 2008 6:08 am

I doubt they'll put Sanders' art in the book - he's reusing his design of the cat with the eyepatch in his Kiskaloo webstrip on his website. (Check it out - it's amazing! http://www.chrissandersart.com/

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