Flight Of The Navigator DVD

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Joshua Clinard wrote:Where's the proof that this film was not financed, by Disney. Or that the Executive Producers were not employees of Disney. That's all it takes for the film to be "made" by Disney. Many films that Disney "makes" are not actually made by one of the Disney owned studios. Many of Disney's films are made by Dimention, Pixar, or other studios. They aren't owend by Disney, but if Disney finances, or Produces the film, then it belongs to Disney. And by the way, Hollywood Pictures IS owned by Disney.
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Dear Joshua
I perfectly well know that Hollywood Pictures is Disney, Did I state something else? :lol:
My information I have from the Disney archive.
And it´s NOT true that they counted all products as Disney features just because there was some financial put in by Disney.
If it was so - why do you not find Dragonslayer and Popeye on the official Disney feature list then?
I´m sorry, but I know what I´m talking about here! :wink:
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I think that there's some misunderstanding here. While Disney does make lots of films with other production companies (check out Pirates of the Caribbean for example which is made with Jerry Bruckheimer Films, or the Pixar films) these films were all commissioned by Walt Disney (or Buena Vista if you prefer) and had substantial financial input by Disney. As a result Buena Vista still owns the distribution rights for the films worldwide (or at least the option - for some reason Buena Vista has chosen to let Sony distribute Finding Nemo in India).

However, there are also a number of films where Buena Vista shares the worldwide distribution rights with other companies. This is either due to substantial co-production deals, where other companies put up equal or greater sums of money than Buena Vista (such as James and the Giant Peach, which is not as Buena Vista film in the UK, despite Buena Vista having some financial inventment in the film) or films where Buena Vista simply picks up the US (and beyond) distribution and Buena Vista has had no financial involvement in the making of the film at all - examples include (only?) the first Brave Little Toaster film and Mr Toad's Wild Ride (which is a renamed Wind in the Willows which I can categorically state had no financial input from Buena Vista during it's filming or distribution in the UK). Even Lizzie McQuire is not a Buena Vista property in the UK as the intellectual property rights actually belong to a UK (!) production company who negotiated keeping international home video distribution rights for the programme even though it was comissioned and mostly financed by Buena Vista through The Disney Channel. Incidently, the Lizzie McQuire Movie is distributed by Buena Vista in the UK, and so will the home videos.

I'm not sure if Flight of the Navigator had Buena Vista involved in it's actual production or not. IMDB does list Walt Disney Pictures [us] as one of the Production companies, but I'm sure I have read elsewhere that they didn't and only picked up the American distribution rights after seeing the completed film (like they did for The Brave Little Toaster).

Hollywood Pictures is owned by Buena Vista, but part of it's "mission" when being set up was to release smaller, independent films. As such, some of the films released by Hollywood Pictures were finished films with no Buena Vista involvement which were only distributed by Buena Vista.

As the budget for films gets bigger and bigger, ownership is getting more and more complicated. For example Die Hard 3 is actually distributed by Buena Vista in the UK, but Buena Vista had no financial involvement in the film's production at all. I'm also fairly sure that Miramax still has some small financial holding in the Lord of the Rings Trilogy, but it would never be classed as a Miramax film.

Either way, I'm pretty sure Disney's involvement with the film Flight of the Navigator was miminal - as previously stated you only need to watch the final credits to see the companies involved in its filming and then check out all the overseas distributors on the web. No other Buena Vista films made at that time (that I can think of) have a similar convoluted multi-company history.

I'm sure Chernabog will correct any errors that may be in this "War and Peace" length post. :)
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Chernabog, why do you persist in attacking me, with all you devil faces and such? I am here to provide information, and CORRECT information. I do not claim to know exaclty how much input Disney had in this film, nobody can do that for this, or ANY other film out there. Regardless of how much input they had for this film, it is still identified as a Disney film. No need to attack me for stating facts. Thank you.
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Im not attacking you :o Why do you think that?
I just corrected your statement that was not correct!
And for the evil smilie, that is my symbol here on the forum, to differ me from the other Chernobog that also are a member.
If youhave read my post earlier you must have noticed that ALL my post begin with that smilie.
So cheer up lad, I´m not attacking you here, please don´t accuse me for that. Just correcting wrongs! :wink:
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Sorry. I didn't know you had that mad face on all of your posts. Maybe if you put that in your signature, people won't think you are getting mad at them! :P

And thanks for the information. Guess we'll never know for sure who's correct, but it's fun to speculate.
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Post by Touchstone84 »

Just for clearing up the facts in this rather lengthy and somewhat unresolved issue, though it’s in an old thread, is the actual post from the US Copyright Office (Library of Congress) records database:
Type of Work: Motion Picture

Registration Number / Date:
PA0000293928 / 1986-07-30

Application Title: Vanished.

Title: Flight of the navigator / a New Star Entertainment
production ; produced by Robby Wald and Dimitri Villard
; co-producer, David Joseph ; directed by Randal
Kleiser.

Imprint: [Burbank, Calif.] : Distributed by Buena Vista Distribution
Co., c1986.

Description: 5 film reels (105 min.) : sd., col. ; 35 mm.

Notes: Based on a story by Mark H. Baker.

Cast: Joey Cramer, Veronica Cartwright, Cliff DeYoung et al.

Performer: A Producers Sales Organization picture presented by Walt
Disney Pictures.

Credits: Music by Alan Silvestri; film editor: Jeff Gourson;
director of photography: James Glennon; screenplay by
Michael Burton & Matt MacManus.

Copyright Claimant:
P S O Presentations

Date of Creation: 1986

Date of Publication:
1986-07-24

Authorship on Application:
Dunhaven Entertainment, employer for hire.

Previous Registration:
Screenplay prev. reg. 1985 as Navigator, PAu 755-513.

Basis of Claim: New Matter: all cinematographic material excluding the
screenplay and some existing film clips & music.

Other Title: Navigator

Names: Wald, Robby
Villard, Dimitri
Joseph, David
Kleiser, Randal
Baker, Mark H.
New Star Entertainment
Producers Sales Organization
Walt Disney Pictures
PSO Presentations
Dunhaven Entertainment
New Starr Entertainment.

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It supports and confirms the arguments made by Chernabog.
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