Full Length Animated Feature? I think NOT!

[Prince Phillip]

Well this is the post I mentioned in Part of Platinum Part 2, the one I said might make some people less than happy...

Well, while my intentions are in no way to simply shake things up, it undoubtedly will with some people. But I think it is something that should be adressed, and is in no way knocking the mentioned "classics"

Well luckily Loomis and 2099net have kind of touched upoun what I was going to say and that is that...
Melody Time, Make Mine Music, Sounds of Music, Fun and Fancy Free, Saulidos Amigos, Three Cabelleros, Ichabod and Mr. Toad, (and what has now been brought to my attention) Winnie the Pooh, are NOT full length animated features, and should not be given that title.

I think they should be released on DVD and made available to the adience as classics, but not under the title of Full Length Animated Feature/Masterpiece. I don't know if Disney himself even classified these as such. In the few books I've read of him or the history of the company, it always says that Bambi was his last feature until Cinderella. All the other titles may have been added to this list to bulk it up a bit and make it sound more impressive (for example- Aladdin, "disney's 31st FLF" instead of "disney's 23rd")

Anyway, I don't think it's right, and I think they should be stricken from the list, because Full Length Feature means one continuing story, like Cinderella, Bambi, Tarzan and the rest.

I propose that disney also release the 7 (or 8 if you include Winnie the Pooh, who I think instead should get his own treasure set) titles, in a box set.

(Really, Fantasia is the same deal, but I will leave well enough alone, in that area)

I hope one day these titles are released unedited, because I would like to see them.

I use to own Three Cabelleros, just sold it, and wondered if it was part of the WDFA, because it was so unlike the rest and didn't go, but at the time I was told it was not.

[2099net]

I have no problem with the "partwork" movies being classed as animated films (although "Saulidos Amigos" is a little short [*] ) - after all there is a long history of anthology live action films, but no one would suggest that they weren't movies. (Just got the famed British horror anthology "Dead of Night" recently and it's superb).

However TMAOWTP does seem to be a cheat, being as it consists of previously released shorts. Nobody would suggest that "Mickey's House of Villains" or "Snowed in at the House of Mouse" are features (well, Disney Marketing does; but I doubt anyone here would ).

I don't really see why Winnie The Pooh is considered a feature.

[*] I understand the minimum length for a "feature film" is defined by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences which is how the categorise films and shorts for the Acadamy Awards. Presumably "Saulidos Amigos" is classed as a feature film, not a short, under this system.

[MickeyMouseboy]

well i think becuase they made new art to tide all the short together into a feature film. and they did a good job tying them all together as a story book. i think any disney animation that doesn't have a 2 after the tittle and released in theathers is a animated feature.

[JohnDMoore]

Well, I think that kind of classification is kind of meaningless anyway. I think "Three Caballeros" is a LOT more of a classic/masterpiece than, say, "Atlantis."
Now if we could get all those released uncut, they'd all be in my collection...

[Joe Carioca]

I think it's fair to include the package films in the list of the "animated classics". It's a way to pay homage to the people who worked on them. And if they weren't considered "classics", probably we would never have them released in they original form - maybe they would release them just as independent shorts.

But it s**** we have to stand this damn censorship editions!

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"Pato Donald! Como vai você? Como vai essa força? Como tem andado? A quanto tempo que não o vejo! Or, as you American say: What's cooking?"
-José Carioca, "The Three Caballeros"

[MickeyMouseboy]

i agree with jose carioca. plus three caballeros is not separte shorts, neither is saludos amigos nor fun and fancy free all 3 have some type of storyteller like jimmy crickets, donald, jose carioca, and panchito that tides everything together as a feature. i cant say the same for make mine music nor melody time

[Prince Phillip]

Well I agree that they should be considered Classics. But a story teller tying a whole bunch of shorts together in not a Full Length Feature. In Bambi, the movie tells on story, while there might be parts with Thumper or Flower, and Bambi, it is all the same story. It is a (one) feature running full length. Well any way, that's just my opinion. I still think they can be released as classics or masterpieces, I just don't think they should be on the list of Full Length Animated Features.

[Loomis]

Although I tend to agree with the arguements re: TMAOWTP (as the shorts HAD been released previously), I think that the package features from the 1940s should be included for a number of reasons.

Disney had just made 5 features when the realities of war hit the US, and budget constraints forced them to put out these package features. The fact that they are made up of several stories connected by paper thin links in some cases (e.g. Jiminy Cricket hanging about in Fun and Fancy Free) is irrelevant. Pulp Fiction is no less a feature film because it is made up of 3 stories that could play by themselves (but work better as a whole)? That might be a bad example, but it is still a valid format, and a 'feature' is a relative term.

Secondly, the stuff in the packages was new, sot rehashed, and was the stuff Disney was putting out to cinemas at the time. They are an important historical document of Disney's cinema releases during the war years. They deserve better treatment than they have had anyways.

Mind you, so is Song of the South, but that aint being released any time soon...[/i]

[MickeyMouseboy]

as for three caballeros and saludos amigos tell one story, an expedition thru south america. and as we go along the different countries we meet new friends and different cultures. as for fun and fancy free is about jimmy cricket wondering into this house and him putting the bongo record cause he wanted to listen to it and then sneeks into the party across the street and so blah blah.

[Joe Carioca]

as for three caballeros and saludos amigos tell one story, an expedition thru south america. and as we go along the different countries we meet new friends and different cultures. as for fun and fancy free is about jimmy cricket wondering into this house and him putting the bongo record cause he wanted to listen to it and then sneeks into the party across the street and so blah blah.

Yeah, they do have some kind of plot, but they are considered 'package films' because they have aditional segments attached to it.
Saludos Amigos: Lake Titicaca; Pedro; El Gaucho Goofy; Aquarela do Brasil.
The Three Caballeros: The Cold-Blooded Penguin; The Flying Gauchito; Baía (Os Quindins de Yaya); The Piñata.
Fun and Fancy Free: Bongo and Mickey and the Beanstalk.

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"Pato Donald! Como vai você? Como vai essa força? Como tem andado? A quanto tempo que não o vejo! Or, as you American say: What's cooking?"
-José Carioca, "The Three Caballeros"

[MickeyMouseboy]

yeah but they are all consistent in their content at least saludos amigos and three caballeros they dont drift from their subject.

[Billy Moon]

I don't understand why Fantasia should be treated differently in this matter. As many have noted, it doesn't matter how many storylines a film carries, if it was originally released that way, it is a (one) feature.
Otherwise we should not consider Alice in Wonderland a full lenght feature, because it includes the Walrus and the Carpenter section...
Winnie the Pooh is a different case, but since it was originally planned as a full lenght feature, and since it IMO works better with the three films linked together, I don't mind it being called a full lenght feature.
There.

[Prince Phillip]

Alice in Wonderland is a continuing story, as the Walrus thing happens durring it, and..............ARRRRGGGGHHHH!!! Never mind I'm not going to win this!

[MickeyMouseboy]

actually the walrus story is not happening during the story, is a story from tweedle dee and tweedle dum the same way jimmy crickets does in fun and funcy free and storyteller in winnie the pooh.

[disneyfella]

first of all, a full-length animated feature does NOT mean just one storyline. it means that it is fully animated and lasts the feature running time length (as designated by the academy of motion pictures arts and sciences). therefore BY DEFINITION all the package features are full length animated features. In every book I've ever read about disney feautre animation, these movies ARE included in their animated classics library. There have been many full length theatrical animated feature releases that are NOT included in Disney's Classic List (i.e. A Goofy Movie, Ducktales the Movie, not to mention a ton of stuff released abroad like A goofy succes story released abroad theatrically in like 1980 or something). So don't say those movies aren't full-length animated features because they are!!!!!

If you feel they don't deserve to be included in Disney's Classic Features then you are wrong also, because that's how Walt always saw them (especially Fantasia) and he should know.....he made them!!!!!



Who is it for us to say, "umm excuse me Disney Company but would you please take these FULL-LENGTH ANIMATED FEATURE CLASSICS and call them something else. I mean, I know Walt himself was the one who called them that in the first place, but I don't like it"



People, I mean come on!!! This totally sounds like a Michael Eisener thing


Prince Phillip, you wouldn't by chance be related to the Eisner family would you?

[Disneykid]

I'm not gonna bother defending the package features from the 40's, so I'm just gonna touch upon Winnie the Pooh. I consider it to be a full-length animated feature because, as MMBoy said, it was Walt's original intention to first introduce the public slowly to Pooh through the shorts, then make a full length feature. This simply wasn't an excuse to cram a bunch of shorts together to make more money; it was what Walt wanted to begin with.

As for the Alice thing, yeah, if you go by Phillip's definition, Alice shouldn't be considered a full-length feature because all it really is a series of mini episodes involving Alice meeting one cooky character after the other. If you were to split Alice in Wonderland up into segments, you'd be able to release each of her adventures (the Tweedles, the Whie Rabbit's house, Mad Tea Party, etc.) into shorts and they'd still make sense.

It's the same with Pooh. Pooh tells mini stories, but they're all connected by one thread. If you read the original book, you'll find that there's no one major plotline-you can read the chapters out of order (minus the first and last ones) and it still makes sense. So even if the shorts weren't originally released theatrically, Pooh would be the same film it currently is because that's how the book is.

[MickeyMouseboy]

Amen!!!!! that's all i have to say!