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Chernabog_Rocks wrote:Feels like there's something off about Flounder, can't put my finger on it though.

That's all I can think of for now :)
Could it be that he is to brave? The flounder that we have always known has never really been as brave as we have seen in this sneak peak. He doesnt do daring things and is a "guppi"
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Maybe he learns his lessons from being too brave, and reverts to being more of a 'guppi' by the time the first movie takes place ?

Also, don't you think it would be cool if AB ends with the whole of Atlantica getting ready for a big concert to celebrate music returning .. .. which a certain little mermaid won't attend ? That would be neat, for it to end at the beginning of the next movie ? :)
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atlanticaunderthesea wrote: Also, don't you think it would be cool if AB ends with the whole of Atlantica getting ready for a big concert to celebrate music returning .. .. which a certain little mermaid won't attend ? That would be neat, for it to end at the beginning of the next movie ? :)
I was actually thinking of that myself too, and it would be a cool idea. But you think Ariel wouldn't forget about the concert she stars in, considering music was just allowed back into the Kingdom. If that were the case, her love for human stuff and life above the sea would have to be incorperated into AB in some way, if it does take place not too far from the original movie anyway.

Thats another problem I have so far with this prequal...it doesn't seem to take place too far from the original, and yet Ariel seems to have no desire for human life or anything...In the movie she has a whole collection of human items in her grotto and her father is always saying something like "Ariel how many times must we go through this!?" like she's been visiting the surface for a long time. None of that seems to be included in this movie...just music is banned and now it must be restored, and thats all besides the point of what happend to Ursula?

I dunno though, maybe it does take place long before the orignal movie, and Ariel hasn't really cared that much about human objects yet. Still Ariel and her sisters don't seem that young. I jsut have a feeling this movie isn't going to make a whole lot sense to the first movie...but I still haven't seen the whole thing...so I hope I'm wrong and it actually will make sense to the movie...
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Chernabog_Rocks wrote: Feels like there's something off about Flounder, can't put my finger on it though.
His nerve. I agree with atlanticaunderthesea, something may have happened in the prequel that caused him to lose the bravery before the first movie.
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"Triton was animated by him also I believe!
I find it strange that he chose to animate bambi once more in Bambi 2 and that he is fine with the character rape of his own beloved Trition, or Jafar for that matter."

Who says he was/is fine with it? If I remember correctly he was only put on Bambi 2 because he REFUSED to work in CGI so rather than release him from his contract they sent him to Australia.

"Well, the sequels got better and better as they trained more and learned more and kept practicing,"

That's debatable. The animation got better (depending on which studio the work was farmed out to) but the stories still stayed at the same level with the rare exception.


"and they wanted to get better."

To the people who bankroll this stuff the content mattered little. All they saw it as was brand extending. If you read the articles in the mid 90's when this started they were ALL along the lines of how this was money in the bank geared to sell merchandise because people already love the characters. If they cared about the content they would have made original stories with origianl characters in the overseas divisions adding more to their stable, not rehashing overe and over again.

"Just the fact Andreas Deja agreed to help animate Bambi shows that they wanted it to be better than past sequels."

No, they only put him on it because he was under contract and wouldn't learn CGI.


"I'm sure it's because Bambi is considered a big, more untouchable Disney classic, more than Cinderella, probably because Bambi came before it, it's older than Cinderella, and Cinderella got one crappy sequel."

Wrong-o! NOTHING is sacred and Bambi was certainly never on par with Snow White among fans. There were some who NEVER thought it should be on home video in 1994 because it would cheapen it.


"BUT in Cinderella 3 they actually made their best sequel, and Cinderella 3's backgrounds look just as good if not better than Bambi 2's! Or at least...from what I've seen. I have not watched all of Bambi 2."


I thought it lacked suspense. It was like a grocery list of things that happened rather than an engaging story.

"Actually,UncleEd,there was NEVER a Little Mermaid canon,the series,the books,they're ignoring everything,so Ariel never met Urchin or Evil Manta,even the series ingore some episode,every Disney movie DOSN'T have a canon. "

So even if it's animated it doesn't count?

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I really don't think Marina is Ursula in disguise. Sally Field is a well-known respected actress,a nd I doubt she'd be interested in being a replacement voice for Pat Carrol.

I doubt that any actor or actress would feel that way. They all do the animated movies because it's a novilty they can show their kids and it's disney. They don't care about history or replacing voices.

"Plus, in the first movie Ursula couldn't disguise her voice uinless she had soemone else's to mask her own with."

That doesn't prove anything either. Should could have got the deeper voice with her magical makeover. She was a pretty fat creature by then. Easily the size of ten Ariels...

As far as Ariel's age, how do we know Mer people age at the same rate humans do? In Gargoyles the Gargoyles aged at the rate of 1/3 to 1/3 the rate a human did. There are some people who claim the earth once had a water canopy around it like Venus and it sheltered out ultra violet rays. Those are the rays that age the skin and it seems that whereever you go in the ancient world, ancient man has stories where there were people who lived to be hundreds of years old. Now if it could work that way on humans then why not Merpeople who live in water?
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On the age thing, she says she is 16 years old. She looks and acts like a 16 year old human. So I believe they age at the same rate as humans. Where as Gargoyles, explains their ages as being the equivalent of a human years. Like for instance, a 100 year old gargoyle is the equivalent of a 50 year old human.
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But she could be 16 in mer years. Who's to say that being a teenager doesn't make them act the same as a human teenager? We can safely assume that they can't read human words or else Ariel wouldn't trust Scuttle's interpretation of things and accept how wrong they are as fact. So how do we know that 16 in mer years is the same as human years? She'd have to be 32 in human years to have all the adventures she's had anyway...
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Oh my gosh guys, lets just take it it to mean when she says "I'm sixteen years old, I'm not a child anymore", she really is 16 years old in both human and mer-years.

Disney cites her as being a normal 'human' teenager as well, 'Meet Ariel, the headstrong, fun-loving teenager etc' .. .. As far as I'm aware, there are no links between merpeople's ages and gargoyles!

Just because she doesnt understand human's writings or 'human stuff' doesnt mean they have a whole different aging system ! It's just two different worlds, thats all.
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That's a great idea about the ending :D.
Do you think human Ariel will find the music box in the beginning of the film and explain Eric about the music box?.
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Oh my gosh! That would be a great idea Ariel's Prince! She could loose it in AB, which would account for her not having it in TLM. Then, at the beginning of AB, she sets out to look for it with Eric, after their wedding, and tells him the story ?

That's what I think should happen!
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Thanks :D.
I was actually more thinking that Ariel walks with Eric on the beach and she finds the music box in the water (maybe the water carried it or Flounder or Sebastian found it),Eric ask what is that music box and that's how the movie begins.
Maybe she does sets to look for it or someone brought it to her wedding.
But anyway maybe she lost it after she used it to bring music back.
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"Oh my gosh guys, lets just take it it to mean when she says "I'm sixteen years old, I'm not a child anymore", she really is 16 years old in both human and mer-years."

How do you know that? How do we know 16 is the same in a parrellell universe?

Now you know how I feel when people insist the Beast was 21 when he was a prince and has been a beast until he was 31....
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I've said this before, I really hope Eric is not in this movie. It would kinda ruin it for me, personally.
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I believe Rob Paulson already confirmed on his website that he is voicing Eric in some capacity as well as Swifty the swordfish. Eric's part is probably just a cameo though.
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UncleEd wrote:"Oh my gosh guys, lets just take it it to mean when she says "I'm sixteen years old, I'm not a child anymore", she really is 16 years old in both human and mer-years."

How do you know that? How do we know 16 is the same in a parrellell universe?

Now you know how I feel when people insist the Beast was 21 when he was a prince and has been a beast until he was 31....
At the time Little Mermaid was made, Disney was not making animated sequels (other than Rescuer's Down Under). So I believe they had always intended her to be 16 years old, in human or merpeople years. Disney made The Little Mermaid VERY simple in the storyline. Where as the original, had deeper and more dramatic undertones. In the original story, when a mermaid turned 15 years old she is allowed to go to the surface of the ocean, look around, and returns telling stories of what she sees. Hans Christian Anderson's original story did mention merfolk live to 300 years. Probably when they reach 100, their body stops aging, as is with humans. But I believe Hans and Disney always meant for Ariel to be the same age as a human teenager. I think biologically and mentally, Ariel is an average 16 year old teenager, be it human or mermaid.
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Siren wrote:
UncleEd wrote: Where as the original, had deeper and more dramatic undertones. In the original story, when a mermaid turned 15 years old she is allowed to go to the surface of the ocean, look around, and returns telling stories of what she sees.
They actually used this on some audio tape I had about Ariel and her sisters. :D All the sisters told Ariel about their first visit to the surface.... I remember Ariel actually went once BEFORE she turned 16 in the story... :lol:
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I think you all are analyzing her age WAY too far. Disney usually smooths these types of situations out. For example, although the sultan in Aladdin mentions Allah several times, and they all should be speaking Arabic, they clearly speak English. Other than the opening song and Lumiere, everything in Beauty and the Beast is in English, when it is quite clear that they live in France. Same goes for Mulan and China, Herculese and Greece, etc.

When they state she was sixteen years old in the original film, she was. We're to suppose that mermaids age the same way humans would as they're technically humans with tails. The gargoyles franchise/cannon is something completely different, created my completely different people.
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To paraphrase Freud "Sometimes a teenage mermaid is just a teenage mermaid"-or soemthing like that. ;)

I really hope whatever songs Jodi gets to sing in TLM 3 are in her range and not ridulously high (see "For A Moment").
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WickedElphie wrote:To paraphrase Freud "Sometimes a teenage mermaid is just a teenage mermaid"-or soemthing like that. ;)

I really hope whatever songs Jodi gets to sing in TLM 3 are in her range and not ridulously high (see "For A Moment").
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