Aurora, Damsel in Distress or Heroine?

[Super Aurora]

^ Agreed about that. As well here's a brief off-topic lesson.

Retard is generally an unaccapteble term, there are less rude/ignorant terms used for people who are mentally handicapped (such as that one there)

Also, want to point out, Ariels Prince is from Israle, therefore English most likely is not his main language so he does deserve a tiny bit of a break for those who complain about spelling/grammar. It is not easy trying to talk to people in a different language, I speak from expierience. So, just thought a little a reminder about that would help, not sure in what way.

I'll come back later to post a more On-Topic post, sorry to mods about this Off-Topic only one

I wasn't insulting his grammar, I was insulting the fact that he's not getting any of the points any of us are clearly making to him. As if he's just brushing it aside.

And even if it was the spelling and grammar errors, that's still no excuse anyway as CJ clearly directed him to a dictionary source to use to help make his post more elaborate for us to understand.

Anyway back to the topic that will never end....lol

[Sailor Eric]

Anyway back to the topic that will never end....lol

I think we should just end this topic. I'm pretty sure most of us agree that Aurora was a damsel in distress in her story.

And, besides...Ariel's Prince started a topic that really makes no sense when you think about it. He keeps repeating that Aurora is a heroine because she is the main character of the movie. So, in other words, his topic title could be rephrased to "Aurora, damsel in distress or female lead?"

[CJ]

Super Aurora, you came very close to using a personal attack. If this topic (or a member posting in it) is annoying you, you do not have to read it anymore. Please be considerate of your fellow forum members.

Anyway back to the topic that will never end....lol

I think we should just end this topic. I'm pretty sure most of us agree that Aurora was a damsel in distress in her story.

And, besides...Ariel's Prince started a topic that really makes no sense when you think about it. He keeps repeating that Aurora is a heroine because she is the main character of the movie. So, in other words, his topic title could be rephrased to "Aurora, damsel in distress or female lead?"

This topic will die off naturally, when everyone gets tired of it. Once interest dies down, it will quickly fade away into the background like other topics have in the past. It could also end if Ariel'sPrince makes a request to lock the thread, as he is the one who brought about this topic. So, AP, what's it going to be: keep it open or lock it?

Now, back to the discussion.

I personally don't like to think of the fairies as the MAIN heroines of the movie, if you mean heroines who save people, do noble and courageous things etc. I like to think it is Philip, cause he did face Maleficent and her dragon form, risking his life in the way to awaken Aurora from the curse.
But, I guess I could see them as the stars of the movie! lol... After all, they are involved in many more things than Aurora and Philip. I hate to say it, but it is true. lol

Here's why I think the fairies are the main heroines:
-They sacrifice their lives as fairies (living as humans) to raise and protect Aurora.
-They do a good deed by putting the entire kingdom under the sleep spell, so no has to stress about Aurora falling victim to the curse.
- The rescue Philip from Maleficent's dungeon.
- Merryweather turns Diablo to stone to buy Philip some extra time to escape.
- They help Philip and Sampson jump to safty from Maleficent's castle.
- They provide Philip with the tools to defeat Maleficent.
- Flora makes sure Philip's sword flies true.

[Chernabog_Rocks]

We could always put it to a vote? As repetitive as it may be, we could always re-post all the evidence to prove or disprove and leave it to a vote, or have a third party come in and read it over and decide. Just a completely random thought, it would certainly end it I mean this could go on forever and ever.

[Ariel'sprince]

Ah,that's nice,Aladdin from Agrabah .

And, besides...Ariel's Prince started a topic that really makes no sense when you think about it. He keeps repeating that Aurora is a heroine because she is the main character of the movie. So, in other words, his topic title could be rephrased to "Aurora, damsel in distress or female lead?"

This topic will die off naturally, when everyone gets tired of it. Once interest dies down, it will quickly fade away into the background like other topics have in the past. It could also end if Ariel'sPrince makes a request to lock the thread, as he is the one who brought about this topic. So, AP, what's it going to be: keep it open or lock it?[/quote]
Lock it,we allready squeezed enough from this subject and besides-i still think Aurora is the hero and she's not a damsel in distress,so lock it.

[PeterPanfan]

Oh my God. So you want to lock it with the last post being "Aurora is a heroine!".

I don't think so.

[Ariel'sprince]

Well,i do.

[Disney Villain]

Before this thread gets locked, I just wanted to Thank everyone who responded to my post and for the kind words. I truly appreciate it! I tried my best, even used the simplest explination possible, but it wasen't enough. Sometimes you can't argue with someone who's thick headed!!!

oh, and one more thing:
Aurora is a DAMSEL IN DISTRESS
so are all of the Disney Princesses, in one way or another!!!!

[Ariel'sprince]

Disney Villain-i"m glad you respect me and glad i"m here but i think she's the hero.

[Prudence]

You're arguing with someone who thinks that every female is of noble birth. Enough said.

That's because Ariel's Prince is such a gentleman!

Ah, how very true.

Sailor Eric was absolutely spot-on. The subject has become, and apparently was all along, "Is Aurora a damsel in distress or the female lead?" 99% of us know that the question is silly and the answer is obvious.

[Disney Duster]

So Ariel'sprince, are you saying that the reason you won't accept Aurora as a damsel in distress is because according to your definition, she isn't?

Is your definition: a girl who is so weak she gets kidnapped all the time?

Does she have to be kidnapped, or just in danger all the time, like almost killed or something?

Can she try to resist being captured/put in danger/almost killed, OR does she just not try to prevent being kidnapped/put in danger/almost killed? Like she won't even fight at all?

Please try to answer my questions.

[Prudence]

By Ariel'sprince logic, Treasure Planet's Captain Amelia is thoroughly a damsel in distress (because she was injured, captured, and had to be cared for) and a far cry from the heroine (because she was not the female lead, never mind that there was no female lead). You can see how this is messed up. She is most certainly remembered for her sharp wit and feministic strength. And Ariel'sprince, don't make some silly fuss about how you never meant to say anything about Captain Amelia. I'm merely trying to show what flawed thinking leads to.

That said, I point to the entry I made above Sir Disney Dust.

[Ariel'sprince]

Yeah,look what i mean:
Mulan for exmaple is a heroine and did everything and she was distress,once or twice,Daphne or Fiona on the other gets kidnapped all the time,you can allways try to escape (for exmaple-how come Mulan never got kidnapped and,let's say,Fiona,ALLWAYS gets kidnapped?),if being in danger happend once or twice (like Aurora's case),it's okay and she's not a damsel in distress,but if you get kidnapped ALL the time,then you're defintly a damsel in distress.
Prudence-i"m not sure she is a damsel,i have to see the film again but Meg and Wendy for exmaple are damseles in distress.

[PrincePhillipFan]

Wow, I leave the board here for a few days, and find that this topic has grown by like 5 pages.

Just wanted to put in my last input before the topic closes. I think everyone here has brought up really great interesting points, especially CJ, Disney Duster, Chernabog_Rocks, and Disney Villain. I still don't know why though ArielsPrince refuses to acknowledge she is a damsel in distress. As Disney Villain said, pretty much all the heroines are at one point in their story (Snow White under the sleeping death, Cinderella locked in the tower, Belle being attacked by the wolves).

I think Aurora might be considered a heroine in the aspect that she does give up her old life for her duty, but as it's been said before, we really don't know if she agreed or the fairies had to convince her. As I stated earlier, I think Phillip is more heroic in that regard, in that we know for sure he's willing to risk his royal heritage for the love of the peasant girl. Simply put, I think Aurora is a damsel in distress and a heroine in the fact she's the title character. However, I believe Phillip and the fairies are the characters who show the most heroic effort in the film. The fairies help Phillip to go against Maleficent, and Phillip has the bravery and courage to face her as well. As Ollie Johnston said, the prince couldn't have done it without the fairies, and the fairies couldn't have done it without the prince. It takes them all working together to defeat her. Just my two cents.

[Someday...]

if being in danger happend once or twice (like Aurora's case),it's okay and she's not a damsel in distress,but if you get kidnapped ALL the time,then you're defintly a damsel in distress.

but Aurora was in danger all the time, from maleficents entry, till the time she pricked her finger.
Of course she escaped it for 16 years due to the incompitance of maleficents minions, but danger all the same

[Ariel'sprince]

if being in danger happend once or twice (like Aurora's case),it's okay and she's not a damsel in distress,but if you get kidnapped ALL the time,then you're defintly a damsel in distress.

but Aurora was in danger all the time, from maleficents entry, till the time she pricked her finger.
Of course she escaped it for 16 years due to the incompitance of maleficents minions, but danger all the same

Aurora was in danger for one time,she's wasn't captured every 5 seconds,she's no damsel in distress.

[Someday...]

Aurora was in danger for one time,she's wasn't captured every 5 seconds,she's no damsel in distress.

Which one specific time?
Because she was cursed from when she was a baby until when the curse came into effect, which is most of the movie

[Ariel'sprince]

Because she was cursed from when she was a baby until when the curse came into effect, which is most of the movie

This whole course thingy was one case,she wasn't in danger after this.

[Someday...]

This whole course thingy was one case,she wasn't in danger after this.

so, it was 16 years long
a very long time to be in danger.
Longer than most kidnappings in fact.

[Ariel'sprince]

so, it was 16 years long
a very long time to be in danger.
Longer than most kidnappings in fact.

The curse was one time she was in danger,it's like getting kidnapped millon times.