Aurora, Damsel in Distress or Heroine?

[Someday...]

It's worth noting that Ariel did exactly what Prince Philip did - does this make her less of a heroine?

well when you think about Ariel, she does everything for completely selfish reasons. Thats why she doesn't get her way in the anderson story, she has to achieve it though different means instead of just "making a deal with the devil"

[Aladdin from Agrabah]

to try and bring some discussion back here,
I was wondering what people thought of the "hero" Prince Phillip's decision to boycott his royal duties completely and run off with a girl he met for 10 minutes.
Seems a bit selfish to me

Ah! Teenagers! This is what it's like when you're young. You get excited too easy. (Do I sound like an old person or is it just my idea? Anyone want a cookie? no? You'll be sorry later!)

Anyway, I noticed what was said in a previous post about Phillip being a hero and at the same time getting help from the fairies who removed some thorns too. Now that I think about it, they did a lot more! They turned stones to bubbles, arrows to flowers, rescued (why do I feel afraid to mention that word in this thread? ) Phillip from the dungeon and actually Phillip killed the dragon after Flora told him to throw his sword and she actually made it shine, using fairy dust, perhaps making the sword follow the right way to Maleficent's heart or something? I don't know about this last one. But when in the dungeon, Phillip ironically was a "damsel in distress" too! Well, not a damsel actually, but you know what I mean!

[Sailor Eric]

to try and bring some discussion back here,
I was wondering what people thought of the "hero" Prince Phillip's decision to boycott his royal duties completely and run off with a girl he met for 10 minutes.
Seems a bit selfish to me

Ah! Teenagers! This is what it's like when you're young. You get excited too easy. (Do I sound like an old person or is it just my idea? Anyone want a cookie? no? You'll be sorry later!)

Anyway, I noticed what was said in a previous post about Phillip being a hero and at the same time getting help from the fairies who removed some thorns too. Now that I think about it, they did a lot more! They turned stones to bubbles, arrows to flowers, rescued (why do I feel afraid to mention that word in this thread? ) Phillip from the dungeon and actually Phillip killed the dragon after Flora told him to throw his sword and she actually made it shine, using fairy dust, perhaps making the sword follow the right way to Maleficent's heart or something? I don't know about this last one. But when in the dungeon, Phillip ironically was a "damsel in distress" too! Well, not a damsel actually, but you know what I mean!

Well, for the sword part, I'm pretty sure that Flora didn't tell him to throw the sword, but she did use magic to ensure that it did strike or kill the dragon. She said something about evil stopping and "good endure." So, it's like the sword got a guarantee on striking Maleficent.


And about what Someday said, somebody had already mentioned that Philip was giving up his kingdom to marry someone he truly loved. Well, it would be amazing on his part if he stopped being a prince and lived a humble life with Briar Rose, but, then again, we don't know if that would've really happened. Now that I think about it, wouldn't it make more sense that the "peasant girl" he chose to marry would actually become a princess, just like Cinderella, Belle, and Aladdin would?

[Chernabog_Rocks]

Thanks Disney Duster for confirming I'm not crazy about Enchanted Tales being mentioned earlier

Also thanks to everyone who mentioned my posts, it's nice to know people liked what you said enough to quote it

Since this isn't the Golden Mickey's lets move on to the subject at hand

I believe the following is what Flora said during the sword scene

"Sword of truth fly swift and sure, so evil die and good endure"

Now, as I've mentioned previously, Flora couldn't have made the sword plunge into Maleficent's heart on her own, or even with Merryweather and Fauna's help. Since they're the 3 good Faeries, not the 3 Good Faeries who sometimes kill However with Phillip acting as a catalayst, it is possible for her to cast the blessing on the sword to make sure he doesn't just throw it wildly and have it miss. Of course the Diablo vs Merryweather equation does contradict that, her spell on him could have been temporary, or been a result of her anger. Which leads me to wonder if the faeries are capable of lesser evil if they have enough anger in them to fuel it? That's a different discussion entirely though.......

Honestly Ariels Prince, I've provided enough proof to support the opinions that Aurora isn't a hero, and that she is to a lesser extent an actual damsel in distress. You however need to get a better grip on the defintition of Damsel In Distress, I really do like you as a member but it's getting frustrating when I type out these long posts, just for you to type a two sentence "I'm right your wrong" post, so please a little more effort on your part would be good at this point.

Moving on to the point I had next originally. Ariels Prince you dragged Fiona into this, well guess what. Fiona and Aurora's stories are similar to each other, both are cursed (it doesn't matter what the curse is, if it looks like a curse, feels like a curse sounds like your being cursed, it's a curse ). Both need a true loves kiss to break the curse, although Aurora did have to activate the second half of the curse herself, which she did. So your saying Fiona is a damsel in distress, can greatly reflect on Aurora who's similar in the ways above. So you just helped provide a comparison to add more evidence to support that opinion she is a damsel.

Now, this is the last time I will ever, ever, ever repeat this next message in this thread. Just so nobodys misses it, I will put it in Bold.

A Damsel in Distress does NOT need to be captured every 5 seconds, first of all that's physically impossible to do. A Damsel in Distress only needs to be put in danger for an unspecified amount of time, usually long enough to warrant a rescue or sorts.

If any other forum members wish to add to that, be my guest I don't intend to offer any more definition(s) of Damsel in Distress, it's bad enough I repeat all my previous points half the time.

On the humours side, I"m amazed the 3 Faeries didn't put a big flashy neon sign above Auroras tower that flashes "She's in Here Phillip" Or perhaps that's a deleted scene that never made it to final film.

[Disney Villain]

Oh my goodness! This is the most absurd thread I’ve ever read in my entire life. I just spend the last hour reading every post in this thread and all I have to say is 'wow'! I’m going to type in mini paragraphs and make everything neat so that someone gets the point of what I’m saying.

First off everyone is entitled to their own opinions. What makes the human being race wonderful is that we are educated and have thoughts, ideas, and opinions. However we also need to back up our opinions with relevant facts if we ever expect anyone to listen. You can’t just ramble and then get upset when people disagree with you. You should back up your opinions with RELAVENT facts (sorry for caps). Ariel’sPrince I have allot of respect for you, I think you’re a great member and I respect your opinions. Having said that however, you’re wrong- Aurora is indeed a Damsel In distress. Yes! I, the crazy Princess Aurora fanatic am lowering the status of my favorite lady!

Here is a brief Vocabulary Lesson for everyone, from Webster’s online Dictionary (where unlike Wikipedia the info is not debatable. So no worries it won’t tell you that a fish is a whale)

Damsel:
Etymology: Middle English damesel, from Anglo-French dameisele, from Vulgar Latin *domnicella young noblewoman, diminutive of Latin domina lady
Date: 13th century : a young woman: aarchaic : a young unmarried woman of noble birth

- In short as Damsel is a YOUNG UNMARRIED WOMAN OF NOBLE BIRTH

Let’s see now:
Princess Aurora is 16 years old – which makes her young
Princess Aurora is Unmarried (until the film’s ending, but that’s debatable)
Princess Aurora is indeed a woman
Princess Aurora is a Princess, which makes her one of noble birth
and the word was first used in the 13th Century, and Sleeping Beauty takes place in the 14th Century (not that that’s relevant)

Next Word:
Distress:
a state of danger or desperate need; the state of being in great trouble

Now I’m pretty sure Aurora, who I’ve now proven is indeed a damsel, was in a state of danger or desperate need, and she was in great trouble.

Let Me Explain:
A great mean evil lady who wore black, had Devil Horns growing out of her skull, and could invoke all the Satanic Powers of Hell put a curse, that would eventually cause death, on a baby (a baby named Princess Aurora!). I’m pretty sure that qualifies Aurora being in a state of danger or desperate need, and being in great trouble.

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As with many things in life, simple thought leads to great things! I took my opinion that Aurora is a damsel in distress and backed it up with relevant facts. Now no one has to agree with me but my opinion is my opinion.

Now I just want to say that agree with almost everyone in this thread. I really have no time, if I did I’d respond to everyone- but I can’t do that. I 100% agree with Chernabog_Rocks ,Someday..., Sailor Eric, Disney Duster, SleepingBeautyAurora, Aladdin from Agrabah, PeterPanfan, and Super Aurora. I just want to say that Chernabog_Rocks shares my exact thoughts on this subject. Well I’m now going to continue to take my ‘break’ from UD. I miss you all! Best of luck with this thread!!!

[SleepingBeautyAurora]

I 100% agree with Chernabog_Rocks ,Someday..., Sailor Eric, Disney Duster, SleepingBeautyAurora, Aladdin from Agrabah, PeterPanfan, and Super Aurora. I just want to say that Chernabog_Rocks shares my exact thoughts on this subject. Well I’m now going to continue to take my ‘break’ from UD. I miss you all! Best of luck with this thread!!!

Yay!!! Thank you for noticing my posts and agreeing with me Disney Villain! Come back soon!

[Sailor Eric]

Oh my goodness! This is the most absurd thread I’ve ever read in my entire life. I just spend the last hour reading every post in this thread and all I have to say is 'wow'! I’m going to type in mini paragraphs and make everything neat so that someone gets the point of what I’m saying.

First off everyone is entitled to their own opinions. What makes the human being race wonderful is that we are educated and have thoughts, ideas, and opinions. However we also need to back up our opinions with relevant facts if we ever expect anyone to listen. You can’t just ramble and then get upset when people disagree with you. You should back up your opinions with RELAVENT facts (sorry for caps). Ariel’sPrince I have allot of respect for you, I think you’re a great member and I respect your opinions. Having said that however, you’re wrong- Aurora is indeed a Damsel In distress. Yes! I, the crazy Princess Aurora fanatic am lowering the status of my favorite lady!

Here is a brief Vocabulary Lesson for everyone, from Webster’s online Dictionary (where unlike Wikipedia the info is not debatable. So no worries it won’t tell you that a fish is a whale)

Damsel:
Etymology: Middle English damesel, from Anglo-French dameisele, from Vulgar Latin *domnicella young noblewoman, diminutive of Latin domina lady
Date: 13th century : a young woman: aarchaic : a young unmarried woman of noble birth

- In short as Damsel is a YOUNG UNMARRIED WOMAN OF NOBLE BIRTH

Let’s see now:
Princess Aurora is 16 years old – which makes her young
Princess Aurora is Unmarried (until the film’s ending, but that’s debatable)
Princess Aurora is indeed a woman
Princess Aurora is a Princess, which makes her one of noble birth
and the word was first used in the 13th Century, and Sleeping Beauty takes place in the 14th Century (not that that’s relevant)

Next Word:
Distress:
a state of danger or desperate need; the state of being in great trouble

Now I’m pretty sure Aurora, who I’ve now proven is indeed a damsel, was in a state of danger or desperate need, and she was in great trouble.

Let Me Explain:
A great mean evil lady who wore black, had Devil Horns growing out of her skull, and could invoke all the Satanic Powers of Hell put a curse, that would eventually cause death, on a baby (a baby named Princess Aurora!). I’m pretty sure that qualifies Aurora being in a state of danger or desperate need, and being in great trouble.

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As with many things in life, simple thought leads to great things! I took my opinion that Aurora is a damsel in distress and backed it up with relevant facts. Now no one has to agree with me but my opinion is my opinion.

Now I just want to say that agree with almost everyone in this thread. I really have no time, if I did I’d respond to everyone- but I can’t do that. I 100% agree with Chernabog_Rocks ,Someday..., Sailor Eric, Disney Duster, SleepingBeautyAurora, Aladdin from Agrabah, PeterPanfan, and Super Aurora. I just want to say that Chernabog_Rocks shares my exact thoughts on this subject. Well I’m now going to continue to take my ‘break’ from UD. I miss you all! Best of luck with this thread!!!

Excellent post, Disney Villain! I believe even a little kid in kindergarten could understand your explanation!

[CJ]

TheSequelOfDisney, Chernabog_Rocks, Sailor Eric, Disney Duster, and Disney Villain have successfully convinced me that Aurora is a damsel in distress. A job well done guys, you each provided excellent posts that backed up your thinking. I can't think of a single rebuttal against your collective reasoning.

Here's were I now stand in my thinking (mind you, these are just my opinions):
- The fairies are the main heros in the movie.
- Philip gets hero status (barely), because he is needed to break the curse and to help defeat Maleficent.
- Aurora is not a hero.
- Aurora is a damsel in distress.
- The sleep spell is not distressing, but there are other moments in the movie that cause Aurora distress.

[Sailor Eric]

TheSequelOfDisney, Chernabog_Rocks, Sailor Eric, Disney Duster, and Disney Villain have successfully convinced me that Aurora is a damsel in distress. A job well done guys, you each provided excellent posts that backed up your thinking. I can't think of a single rebuttal against your collective reasoning.

Here's were I now stand in my thinking (mind you, these are just my opinions):
- The fairies are the main heros in the movie.
- Philip gets hero status (barely), because he is needed to break the curse and to help defeat Maleficent.
- Aurora is not a hero.
- Aurora is a damsel in distress.
- The sleep spell is not distressing, but there are other moments in the movie that cause Aurora distress.

I personally don't like to think of the fairies as the MAIN heroines of the movie, if you mean heroines who save people, do noble and courageous things etc. I like to think it is Philip, cause he did face Maleficent and her dragon form, risking his life in the way to awaken Aurora from the curse.
But, I guess I could see them as the stars of the movie! lol... After all, they are involved in many more things than Aurora and Philip. I hate to say it, but it is true. lol

I think that the sleep spell is distressing in a way. Sure, she doesn't suffer while being asleep, but she would miss living her life! And, I think her family wouldn't be too happy to have her be asleep forever. They'd probably think it as a misfortune because she wouldn't really be a part of their lives!

[Chernabog_Rocks]

I just want to say that Chernabog_Rocks shares my exact thoughts on this subject. Well I’m now going to continue to take my ‘break’ from UD. I miss you all! Best of luck with this thread!!!

Wow, that actually does mean a lot Disney Villain

Same goes for CJ, the two of you made my day with those posts



Hope you come back soon Disney Villain

Sorry about the off-topic talk. Almost tempted to write an article based off of this thread, I need a subject for an English project so this would do, could even come back and post it when/if I finish it.

I'd stay on topic but I don't think there's really anything new I can add unless I go back and watch the movie all over and find something I may have missed.

[Ariel'sprince]

I disagree about her being a damsel.
A damsel in distress is a girl that gets her into dangers all the time,Aurora dosn't.
And Aurora is also the main character,which makes the heroine,it dosn't matter if she didn't do a lot,Phillip is also a hero but he's a hero too.
If you had your own story,and in one point you fell alseep and need someone to wake you up,whouldn't you disagree with people calling you a damsel in distress?.
Anyway i still think she's a heroine (she's still the main character) and she's not a character like Fiona or whatever.

[SleepingBeautyAurora]

I disagree about her being a damsel.

Aurora is clearly a female. I don't mean to be rude but did you read the definitions of Damsel (and Distress) that have been posted ?

[Ariel'sprince]

Yeah,but that's not the meaning of a damsel is distress (acorrding to that every girl is a damsel in distress).

[Sailor Eric]

Yeah,but that's not the meaning of a damsel is distress (acorrding to that every girl is a damsel in distress).

A damsel in distress doesn't have to be in danger all the time. Aurora, in her story "Sleeping Beauty", is in danger at some points, and so, at least in the story of "Sleeping Beauty", she is a damsel in distress, as well as being the main character/heroine of the story.
And actually, Aurora is in distress throughout most of the movie, and even before the the movie's story. Throughout all her 16 years, she is in danger of being kidnapped or taken away by Maleficent's minions (Maleficent did say in the movie that they had been searching for the Princess all those 16 years). And she was also in danger of falling into the curse on the day of her 16th birthday, which is the day in which the story happens. She is also in distress when Maleficent hypnotizes her with the green/yellow light because being hypnotized made her have no control over herself, and therefore Maleficent was able to get Aurora to prick herself and fall into the evil curse that Maleficent always wanted her to.
Now, when she was asleep maybe she wasn't in distress, but if she was never woken up, then that would be a pretty bad thing, too, because she wouldn't be living her life.

[Ariel'sprince]

Yeah,but that's not the meaning of a damsel is distress (acorrding to that every girl is a damsel in distress).

A damsel in distress doesn't have to be in danger all the time. Aurora, in her story "Sleeping Beauty", is in danger at some points, and so, at least in the story of "Sleeping Beauty", she is a damsel in distress, as well as being the main character/heroine of the story.
And actually, Aurora is in distress throughout most of the movie, and even before the the movie's story. Throughout all her 16 years, she is in danger of being kidnapped or taken away by Maleficent's minions (Maleficent did say in the movie that they had been searching for the Princess all those 16 years). And she was also in danger of falling into the curse on the day of her 16th birthday, which is the day in which the story happens. She is also in distress when Maleficent hypnotizes her with the green/yellow light because being hypnotized made her have no control over herself, and therefore Maleficent was able to get Aurora to prick herself and fall into the evil curse that Maleficent always wanted her to.
Now, when she was asleep maybe she wasn't in distress, but if she was never woken up, then that would be a pretty bad thing, too, because she wouldn't be living her life.

Yes,she does,otherwise she's not a damsel.
Oh,wait,Mulan almost died and she got rescued! i know! she's a damsel in distress too! wait,there's no such thing as a heroine! all the Disney girls are damsels in distress who need to be rescued!.
She's not a damsel in distress,she is a heroine.

[Someday...]

Yes,she does,otherwise she's not a damsel.
Oh,wait,Mulan almost died and she got rescued! i know! she's a damsel in distress too! wait,there's no such thing as a heroine! all the Disney girls are damsels in distress who need to be rescued!.
She's not a damsel in distress,she is a heroine.

but mulan has her heroine moments too,
Aurora was generally in danger throughout the WHOLE movie.
Mulan was in danger for like one/two scenes?

[Ariel'sprince]

Yes,she does,otherwise she's not a damsel.
Oh,wait,Mulan almost died and she got rescued! i know! she's a damsel in distress too! wait,there's no such thing as a heroine! all the Disney girls are damsels in distress who need to be rescued!.
She's not a damsel in distress,she is a heroine.

but mulan has her heroine moments too,
Aurora was generally in danger throughout the WHOLE movie.
Mulan was in danger for like one/two scenes?

Mulan was allways in danger that someone will find out that she's a girl and she was in danger of killed by the huns.
It's exactly like Aurora which could fought back without the fairies.

[Someday...]

but mulan has her heroine moments too,
Aurora was generally in danger throughout the WHOLE movie.
Mulan was in danger for like one/two scenes?

Mulan was allways in danger that someone will find out that she's a girl and she was in danger of killed by the huns.
It's exactly like Aurora which could fought back without the fairies.

but she isnt going to fall into a "death sleep" if she gets caught, she will be sent home. I think theres a little difference from being cursed by a evil lady who has all the powers of hell at her command, fufilling her curse, and getting sent home dishonourably

[Ariel'sprince]

but she isnt going to fall into a "death sleep" if she gets caught, she will be sent home. I think theres a little difference from being cursed by a evil lady who has all the powers of hell at her command, fufilling her curse, and getting sent home dishonourably

No,she won't be sent home,they whould have killed her (if she whouldn't saved Shang),it's far worse then sleep 100 years.

[Someday...]

but she isnt going to fall into a "death sleep" if she gets caught, she will be sent home. I think theres a little difference from being cursed by a evil lady who has all the powers of hell at her command, fufilling her curse, and getting sent home dishonourably

No,she won't be sent home,they whould have killed her (if she whouldn't saved Shang),it's far worse then sleep 100 years.[/quote]
but it doesn't make her a damsel in distress.
Have you read any of the many definitions of that given in this thread?
Aurora is a noble woman who is unmarried, and is in a state of danger throughout the whole movie