Ariel'sprince wrote:Yeah,Aurora is the hero,she should be the main character on the cover.
She's the main character of the movie (well that's debatable. I'd say the Good Fairies are the actual main characters of the film), but she certainly is not the hero. She's the damsel in distress, Prince Philip and the Good Fairies are the heroes of the movie. Aurora does nothing heroic in the story. Unless falling under a spell, dancing with forest animals, crying or waking up are suddenly heroic deeds...
Aurora is more of a namesake for the movie, it's her story, but she really isn't the most prominent character, and she definitely is not the hero of her own story.
Ariel'sprince wrote:Yeah,Aurora is the hero,she should be the main character on the cover.
She's the main character of the movie (well that's debatable. I'd say the Good Fairies are the actual main characters of the film), but she certainly is not the hero. She's the damsel in distress, Prince Philip and the Good Fairies are the heroes of the movie. Aurora does nothing heroic in the story. Unless falling under a spell, dancing with forest animals, crying or waking up are suddenly heroic deeds...
Aurora is more of a namesake for the movie, it's her story, but she really isn't the most prominent character, and she definitely is not the hero of her own story.
Aurora is not a damsel in distress,she is a hero,she's the main character and she did heroinc thingy-she went to the castle insted of going with Philip and did her duty as a princess.
Anyway she is a heroine and let's get into this again.
Ariel'sprince wrote:
Aurora is not a damsel in distress,she is a hero,she's the main character and she did heroinc thingy-she went to the castle insted of going with Philip and did her duty as a princess.
Anyway she is a heroine and let's get into this again.
What is wrong with you?! She IS a damsel in distress. Period. Fell victim to Malificant's power and Philip needs to come and rescue & Awaken her. If anything, Aurora is a device to bring story forward for every other character.
yamiiguy wrote:hero - A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose, especially one who has risked or sacrificed his or her life.
singerguy04 wrote:1. a man of distinguished courage or ability, admired for his brave deeds and noble qualities.
Disney Villain wrote:1 a : a mythological or legendary figure often of divine descent endowed with great strength or ability b : an illustrious warrior c : a man admired for his achievements and noble qualities d : one that shows great courage
If the hero is someone who does something courageous or noble, especially making a sacrifice, then AURORA IS A HERO! She left the life she new for a knew life as a princess who rules her kingdom, and she left the only man she knew or loved to marry someone she didn't know just to form an alliance between her kingdom and another's! What a sacrifice! How noble! And if courage is doing something you don't want to do because you are afraid, Aurora had no idea what was waiting for, what duties she would have to take on, what her parents would be like, what the Prince would be like, and she was brave or it! She's a hero, deal with it.
1. a woman of distinguished courage or ability, admired for her brave deeds and noble qualities.
2. the principal female character in a story, play, film, etc.
Aurora fits both descriptions, nobly respecting her heritage and braving the unknown to please her parents and aunts who also love her.
And you know what, maybe she's the hero and a damsel in distress, but if that's so then PHILLIP WAS ALSO A DAMSEL IN DISTRESS. In fact, he was in even more distress, being locked up and tortured (internally because he can't live happily or save Aurora, and Maleficent taunts him) with an evil powerful fairy who could do anything to him, and he wouldn't be able to do anything as a prisoner for 100 years. Until the fairies came and saved him! At least Aurora was sleeping peacefully and could live happily in her dreams. Phillip is a damsel as much if not more so than Aurora. That's why Sleeping Beauty is so great, the man and woman both need help from the opposite sex, it's full of equality and role-reversal.
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well "damsel" means lady so Phillip can't be a damsel in distress
But Sleeping Beauty has a complex story in terms of who is the heroe; not even the name of the story gives us a clue of who actually is the heroe, Aurora was a sleeping beauty and Philip was searching for his sleeping beauty so i say the stories could be told in both different perspectives both rellying on the name and story wise. The Disney movie makes them both seem as the stars,giving almost equal screen time and even lines; although the prince is more of an obvious heroe becuase he has every element of the Anglo-Saxon/medieval knight-in-shining armor that people audtomatically relate to a heroe of a fairytale.i say they can both be seem as either heroes or victims of despair if you'd like, which is probably what makes Sleeping Beauty one of the greatest fairytales ever told and even one of Disney's most memorable classics.
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Thanks,Disney Duster i"m so glad you help me prove my point .
Agree with every word,and Philip was kidnapped (usually,what happend to a REAL damsel in distress) and he didn't do anything! the fairies did everything for him! they even rescued his cap and they the one that really killed Maleficent,he just kissed her.
rs_milo_whatever-he's a guy in distress,or whatever,a male damsel in distress.
I think Disney Duster has a point, but it's never openly stated whether Aurora's decision to go to the castle was based on dedication to her duty or simply resigning herself to her fate - given her general manner up until her hypnosis, I'm inclined to think it was the latter.
Still hoping for the green, smoke-filled cover...
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Ariel'sprince wrote:Thanks,Disney Duster i"m so glad you help me prove my point .
Agree with every word,and Philip was kidnapped (usually,what happend to a REAL damsel in distress) and he didn't do anything! the fairies did everything for him! they even rescued his cap and they the one that really killed Maleficent,he just kissed her.
rs_milo_whatever-he's a guy in distress,or whatever,a male damsel in distress.
Does it really, truly matter who is or isn't the hero or damsel in distress? Honestly, this thread is about how Sleeping Beauty is coming to Disney DVD and Blu-ray Disc this October. It has nothing to do with this issue that everyone is talking about. Just deal with it. Everyone has their own opinion and they can think whatever they want to. If you want to argue, to and argue by email. Really, this isn't the place for causing fuss and it is not suitable in this thread, or on this forum. Geez, I really hate what UD is becoming nowadays.
Yeah,i wanted to point this and speak my mind (Disney think she's the hero).
Thought we are getting off-topic and i think we also talked this before in this thread.
Sorry to drag this debate out further, but just nitpicking about what Arielsprince said
Agree with every word,and Philip was kidnapped (usually,what happend to a REAL damsel in distress) and he didn't do anything! the fairies did everything for him! they even rescued his cap and they the one that really killed Maleficent,he just kissed her.
I think it would be a disservice to really say he didn't do anything other than kiss. True the fairies did help him escape the castle and block most of Maleficent's obstacles, but watch the movie again, and you'll see that they didn't help him at all make his way through the forest of thorns or battle Maleficent until the very end. He hacked his way through by himself , and went one on one with Maleficent until the very end, escaping the flames and hitting the dragon on the nose.The fairies only came to help him when they saw his shield was blown away and they knew he had barely any chance of surviving.
I also think it's a bit unfair that you're only judging just the strength of his character simply by his actions alone. He had to have a lot of guts, courage, and chivalry to even risk his life to go against someone like Maleficent.
PrincePhillipFan wrote:Sorry to drag this debate out further, but just nitpicking about what Arielsprince said
Agree with every word,and Philip was kidnapped (usually,what happend to a REAL damsel in distress) and he didn't do anything! the fairies did everything for him! they even rescued his cap and they the one that really killed Maleficent,he just kissed her.
I think it would be a disservice to really say he didn't do anything other than kiss. True the fairies did help him escape the castle and block most of Maleficent's obstacles, but watch the movie again, and you'll see that they didn't help him at all make his way through the forest of thorns or battle Maleficent until the very end. He hacked his way through by himself , and went one on one with Maleficent until the very end, escaping the flames and hitting the dragon on the nose.The fairies only came to help him when they saw his shield was blown away and they knew he had barely any chance of surviving.
No,he didn't do anything!.
They rescued him,they rescued his hourse,the goons attacked him but the fairies stoped them,they showed him where to go to get to the castle,they rescued his cap,and they killed Maleficent,he just kissed Aurora,that's it,he's not a hero.
I really don't want to drag this any further, but it seems like you just ignored the points I made, and didn't recognize the last thing I said. You're just simply judging a character by their actions and not personality again. I could say the same for Aurora is that all she does is sing and dances. I agree that she is a heroine in the respect that she gives up her old life for her duty, but the same can be said for Phillip, and in a more interesting way I think. Phillip's heroic side is the opposite, in that he follows his heart and wishes to marry the girl he loves and will do anything to do it. He goes against his father's wishes and stands up for himself, and is willing to sacrifice the crown and his royal background to marry the girl he loves, and nothing will stop him. I'm not trying to say that Phillip is more of a hero than Aurora. Personally, I think they both are, and both should be considered the stars and main characters of the picture, along with Maleficent.
Anyway, I'm sorry for dragging this so off topic. I just like to express my opinion and feel that both Aurora and Phillip are the hero/heroine of the film together, and one is not bigger than the other. Especially since both have just as much screen time as the other. Personally, that's why I love this film more than any of the other Disney fairy tale films. The prince is very developed a lot more than the older ones, has a sense of humor and great personality, and has equal screen time as the princess.
Anyway, back to the discussion on the movie coming to DVD and Blu-Ray. One of the things I hope that they do on this edition is have a new featurette on the making of the film, rather than just transfer the 16 minute featurette from the 1997 VHS version. I'd love to see them talk more about the voice talent and the music than just the artwork.
What did she do courageously? She hardly done anything. And this coming from person who likes Aurora. As I said before, she was a device to move everyone else forward through the story.
If I want to label someone the heroines of the story it would be the three good hags, as much as that disgust me.
Philip is NOT a hero.
She didn't had to,she CHOOSE to do so.
Phillip didn't do anything,the fairies did everything,Princy pooh just kissed her and didn't even killed Maleficent or saved his cap!!!!!,and he's got kidnapped,HE'S THE DAMSEL IN DISTRESS,not her.
Why did we bring this again?.
Ariel'sprince, I really didn't understand anything you said, but here:
Did you even WATCH the movie???? Phillip DID kill Maleficent. And he SAVED Aurora by kissing her. The three fairies provided him with the basic tools to kill her, he's the one that thrusted the knife into the dragon, not the fairies.
Stop trying to get everyone to agree with you, because it's not working.
Well, it's my turn to state somethings that I think:
According to Dictionary.com, there are 6 basic definitions for the term hero:
1. a man of distinguished courage or ability, admired for his brave deeds and noble qualities.
2. a person who, in the opinion of others, has heroic qualities or has performed a heroic act and is regarded as a model or ideal: He was a local hero when he saved the drowning child.
3. the principal male character in a story, play, film, etc.
4. Classical Mythology.
a. a being of godlike prowess and beneficence who often came to be honored as a divinity.
b. (in the Homeric period) a warrior-chieftain of special strength, courage, or ability.
c. (in later antiquity) an immortal being; demigod.
5. hero sandwich.
6. the bread or roll used in making a hero sandwich.
Now the last 3 have nothing to do with this discussion unless you are planning in making Phillip into a sandwich.
The first three however are what we are looking for. The first says, "a man of distinguished courage or ability, admired for his brave deeds and noble qualities." Now this is arguable but Disney would definitely classify Phillip using this definition. I, too, say that Phillip is a hero because, even though he did receive help from the Three Good Faries, he did actually do the actions that were required of him. I mean, you didn't see the Faries go and attack Maleficent with a sword, or block her flames with a sheild. No they were probably up in the sky, flying overhead to watch what was happening. Phillip most definitely did all of that and the Faries just flew there, watching.
I'll skip the second and come back to it later. Now, the third one says, "the principal male character in a story, play, film, etc." I must agree that Phillip is the main male character, and while his father and Aurora's father are in the film, they are not the principal male characters, and therefore cannot even run for the race. It is a fact that Phillip is the main male character and if you try to argue that, there must be something wrong with you.
All right, let us get back to the second. It states, "a person who, in the opinion of others, has heroic qualities or has performed a heroic act and is regarded as a model or ideal: He was a local hero when he saved the drowning child." Basically, this is saying that it is the opinion of someone whether or not a person is of heroic quality. It is my understanding, that what Phillip did was something that a role model would have done for the love of his life. If he did it just to get the girl and sell her out, firstly, Walt wouldn't allow it, and secondly it wasn't Phillips character to do that.
Overall, it is just a matter of opinion whether or not you think Phillip is the hero of "Sleeping Beauty." I believe that he is because he is the main male character, the actions that he took were noble and courageous and that Phillip is of heroic qualities and therefore a role model, or an ideal person. In conclusion, Phillip is the hero of the story and that is my opinion. If you disagree that is your opinion as well, but according to the definition, he is the hero.
(note: this is really good practice for my research paper that is coming up for school, so if you want to say anything about the format and writing, though pretty basic, I'd appreciate it. Also, I think this is one of my longest posts.)
Prudence wrote:Your basic damsel in distress. Philip and the Good Fairies were all the heroes of the movie.
Are you sure you know the basic damsel in distress? a damsel in distress is a girl (usually,a stupid one) that gets kidnapped every 5 seconds,Aurora fits? no? good,then she's not,but Phillip got KIDNAPPED AND RESCUED.
PeterPanfan-No he didn't! he's got KINDAPPED and DIDN'T DO ANYTHING!,the fairies killed her and saved his cap! Aurora is the real hero,he's not a hero at all.
And yeah,i watch the movie EVERY WEEKEND,he didn't do anything,and i CAN speak my mind.
The solution,like Chernabog_Rocks and Disney Duster said,is that both Aurora and Phillip are the heroes and a bit damsels.
I think we allready squeezed all the juice from this subject.
I still don't quite understand what it was that she did that was terribly heroic. The argument that she heroically gives up one life for another is by no means supported by fact, as, as I said before, she seems much more as though she has resigned herself to her fate, rather than made a noble decision. Had the latter been true, surely there would have been a scene that showed her consciously making this decision, rather than requiring her godmothers' help every step of the way.
i"m so glad you help me prove my point 
