Should Pocahontas be considered a member of the 'Fab 4'?

[Beast_enchantment]

I consider Pocahontas to be an outstanding achievement of disney animation. True, it's performance at the box office was greatly below that of the Lion King and Beauty and the Beast, mainly due to the fact that it was aimed at a much mature audience but that shouldnt reflect upon the movie's success as a whole. I believe Pocahontas deserves a place amongst The Little Mermaid, BatB, Aladdin and The Lion King as a member of the "Fab 4". It posessses stunning visual qualities, enchanting music, an intriguing storyline, loosely based on fact, and also breaks with disney tradition with a finale that isnt your typical happy ending, yet still manages to captivate like no other.

[Tannerman]

You can't be serious.

[Widdi]

Pocahontas doesn't get the respect it deserves. It's one of the most beautifully animated Disney films and has one of the most captivating stories of them all too (who cares if it deviates from history. Most films that say "based on a true story" butcher that actual story worse than Pocahontas).

On top of it's animation and story, Pocahontas won the same two academy awards as the fab four members did and in my opinion has better overall music than Mermaid, Lion King and Aladdin.

I've always considered the five films to come directly after LK (Pocahontas, Hunchback, Hercules, Mulan and Tarzan) to be just as strong and as good (and in 3 out of 5 cases better than) as the "fab four" but due to their box office returns they are never given that respect. It should be be the Fab' Nine (and in my eyes is).

[Beast_enchantment]

On top of it's animation and story, Pocahontas won the same two academy awards as the fab four members did and in my opinion has better overall music than Mermaid, Lion King and Aladdin.

I completely agree. Pocahontas has beautiful music, as do all of them, but Poca carries something special that some of the others dont. just listen to "Colors of the Wind". it truly is an amazing piece of music.

You can't be serious

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I am serious.

[Ariel'sprince]

Agree,Pocahontas is a beautiful movie and Pocahontas's character is wonderful.
I"m also think that she should get more marchandise in the Princess line.

[SleepingBeautyAurora]

I voted Yes because Pocahontas is amazing, I wonder why Alice is supposed to get a Platinum Edition and not Pocahontas.... doesn't make much sense to me.

[blackcauldron85]

I voted Yes. The story, animation, and music are all on par with the Fab 4 films. I think that it generally isn't included with the Fab 4 is because it didn't do as well as the others, especially compared to "The Lion King", since that movie performed so amazingly well. I wonder if, keeping the same box office income, the Fab 4 films had come out in a different order, would the movie after "The Lion King" be included in the "Fab 4" (or "Fab [insert number here]")?

For example, if the chronological order was "The Little Mermaid", "Beauty and the Beast", "The Lion King", "Aladdin", would "Aladdin" still be a part of the "Fab 4"? It didn't do as well as "The Lion King" did, so I wonder...

[singerguy04]

I can confidently say that I believe that if Pocahontas were to come out before The Lion King, as it was originally slated to be, then it would've been considered. It was incredibly hard to match the amount of success The Lion King had. People tend to forget that Pocahontas still made more money in the box office than The Little Mermaid anyway (that's excluding inflation though, however I can't see inflation making a huge amount of difference in 5 years.)

All in all, I voted yes.

[Poody]

I voted "maybe." I love the film and enjoy it MUCH more than The Lion King....

[BrandonH]

It gets the "Maybe" from me. It's not below standard, but I don't think it quite reaches the same heights as the other four. No matter how we classify it, it's a great movie that made money for Disney.

[SpaceAce]

I voted yes. Because I liked it more than The Lion King.

[UmbrellaFish]

This is my favorite period of Disney animation (that's a bit of a stretch though, because I have a special place in my heart for Walt Era films), and I personally view the Third Golden Age to have begun at The Little Mermaid and end with Atlantis. Pocahontas was a great film, so was Mulan, and Tarzan. Some of those were better than the movies of the Fab 4. I sometimes wonder though, if in 20 years we will consider the Third Golden Age to have ended with Atlantis, rather than Lion King.

[SleepingBeautyAurora]

The Little Mermaid sparked the Disney Renaissance which includes:

1. The Little Mermaid (1989)
2. The Rescuers Down Under (1990)
3. Beauty and the Beast (1991)
4. Aladdin (1992)
5. The Lion King (1994)
6. Pocahontas (1995)
7. The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1996)
8. Hercules (1997)
9. Mulan (1998)
10. Tarzan (1999)

[singerguy04]

I would include Fantasia 2000 in the whole Disney Renaissance list though. I'm not too sure how well recieved it was, but it should at least for it's artistic value.

[UmbrellaFish]

I've always been under the impression that Disney Renaissance and Disney Golden Age mean the same thing and that they both began with TLM and ended with TLK.

[Widdi]

I've always been under the impression that Disney Renaissance and Disney Golden Age mean the same thing and that they both began with TLM and ended with TLK.

I break it down this way:

The First Golden Age (Snow White - Bambi)
The War Years (Saludos Amigos - The Adventures of Ichabod and Mr Toad)
The Second Golden Age (Cinderella - Sleeping Beauty)
The Middle Ages (101 Dalmatians - The Aristocats)
The Dark Ages (Robin Hood - Oliver & Company)
The Renaissance/Third Golden Age (The Little Mermaid - Tarzan) *the "Fab Four" stand out like well known Renaissance paintings.
The New Millennium (Fantasia2000 - Home on the Range)
The 3-D Years (Chicken Little - Bolt)
The Tentative 4th Golden Age (The Princess and the Frog - ???)

[castleinthesky]

How can something be apart of a group of 4, when there are already 4 members?

[slave2moonlight]

I've never liked that they single out those four above every other poste Walt animated feature. I believe many others were as wonderful as those, like Tarzan, Hercules, Mulan, Hunchback, Lilo and Stitch, Rescuers Down Under, and even Treasure Planet. As for Pocahontas, I WOULD agree if it had been released WITH the deleted "If I Never Knew You" sequence. As that film was, I did always feel it lacked something, and when it was released on DVD with the scene finished and put into the final film, I fell in love with the movie all together. Before that, it did seem inferior to me. Trouble is, when considering something like the question of this poll, I would think you'd have to be looking at the original theatrical release. Anyway, if we were talking about the version WITH the new scene, I'd agree, but not before including Mulan, Tarzan, Hercules, and Hunchback at least.

Of course, Emperor's New Groove was excellent as well, but I don't know if I'd put it in the line-up since it's a screwball comedy rather than this big, epic event.

[PeterPanfan]

I do think that if it was released prior to The Lion King, it would be included.

I agree with SlavetoMoonlight on the whole singling out thing. I don't really think it's right. Where did the phrase "Fab 4" come from anyway?

[Simba3]

I agree with SlavetoMoonlight on the whole singling out thing. I don't really think it's right. Where did the phrase "Fab 4" come from anyway?

I don't know, I have to say the name is fairly well merited. These are, in my opinion, and many others, four of Disney's best films. I think they really deserve a lot of the high recognition they receive - not to say the previous classics don't deserve to be ranked highly as well.

One reason why I think these 4 films tend to get a lot of recognition is because, prior to The Little Mermaid, Disney hadn't really had a great, blockbuster film since "The Jungle Book". Not to say that The Rescuers or Robin Hood, or any of the other films in between aren't good, they just weren't/aren't huge hits for Disney.

These really are truly great films and I think a lot of reason why they get so much hype is because they are the great Disney movies of this generation. I think "Cinderella", "Peter Pan", "Lady and the Tramp", and "Sleeping Beauty" could easily be considered the "Fab 4" of the 50's.