The Forum vs. Hannah Montana

[disneyboy20022]

My cousins does not want his 4 year old daughter to watch Hannah Montana or have anything to do with the franchise.... He does not want his daughter to look up to someone that looks like a Brittney spears wanna be because lately thats whats been happening... he's in the army so there is no changing his mind.... but I disagree with him..... You can't protect children from someone like Hannah Montana/Miley Cyrus who might end up the next Brittney or Lindsay Lohan.... What I mean is... there are people in the world who do dumb things but that does not mean that Miley will go bad... the truth is no one knows what the future holds for anyone..... And I think since Billy Ray Cyrus is involved with her career Miley will turn out okay.... Also I had no clue who wrote Achy Breaky Heart until you posted that...Voiceroy..


Also as far as Disney dropping someone when they hit the magical age of adult hood..... They don't always do that.... Look at the Cast from High School Musical... Vannessa Hudgens had a picture leaked but she was 18 yet they are not replacing her even because of the picture that was leaked onto the Net....

[Key]

I'm subject to the show when my bf's 10-year-old cousin comes to visit.

Er... yeah, not my thing. Miley Cyrus/Hannah Montana isn't really cute (such... small... teeth!) and her acting leaves a lot to be desired. I'm also so over kids' shows that feature nothing but hyperactive tweens who can't sit still for 1 minute to save their life. It seems like almost every kids' show is like this nowadays too, sadly. The generation gap has never been so palpable...

I'll still admit that as much as I dislike the show... and most Disney TV shows for kids nowadays (Suite Life of Zack and Cody, That's So Raven... UGH), I can watch it. I won't enjoy my brain turning to mush because of it, but I do occasionally laugh at the stupidity of it and make silly commentary. It just amazes me that kids like this crap and want to be just like the characters. I can't help but wonder if I was like that as a kid as well.

And dammit, I'm tired of seeing her bloody merchandise everywhere.

[Big Disney Fan]

I'm subject to the show when my bf's 10-year-old cousin comes to visit.

Er... yeah, not my thing. Miley Cyrus/Hannah Montana isn't really cute (such... small... teeth!) and her acting leaves a lot to be desired. I'm also so over kids' shows that feature nothing but hyperactive tweens who can't sit still for 1 minute to save their life. It seems like almost every kids' show is like this nowadays too, sadly. The generation gap has never been so palpable...

I'll still admit that as much as I dislike the show... and most Disney TV shows for kids nowadays (Suite Life of Zack and Cody, That's So Raven... UGH), I can watch it. I won't enjoy my brain turning to mush because of it, but I do occasionally laugh at the stupidity of it and make silly commentary. It just amazes me that kids like this crap and want to be just like the characters. I can't help but wonder if I was like that as a kid as well.

And dammit, I'm tired of seeing her bloody merchandise everywhere.

I know just how you feel. That's why I created this thread, to attack the show as much as possible. I have no idea what those people at Disney were smoking when they made that show as profitable as possible.

However, I never really knew about Miley's poor acting abilities, though. Nice input there, guys.

[Voiceroy]

He does not want his daughter to look up to someone that looks like a Brittney spears wanna be because lately thats whats been happening...

I can't believe I'm defending Hanna Montana, but wow, what an unfair comparison. Britney and Miley are worlds apart as performers/entertainers. Britney's career from the very beginning was engineered to have sexual appeal, while Miley's is the complete opposite. Hanna Montana is marketed specifically to appeal to tween girls, with a wholesome everygirl kind of quality. Miley even dresses modestly for a pop star.

The only reason I would shield my kids (if I had kids) from Hanna is because the music is fairly generic pop fluff. But then again, I also was in love with Debbie Gibson in the 80's too, so I have no room to talk. I'd probably let my kids watch the show, if they wanted to. Yes, the acting is a little poor--a lot of melodrama and exaggeration, but then that's fairly standard fare for a kids sitcom.

And the philosophies in Hanna's music are a little off too. Take this example from "Life's What You Make It":

Life is tough or it's a party
The choice is up to you

Sorry, Hanna... sometimes life is tough because that's the way life is. Life cannot always be a party and people who choose to live life as a party often don't live very long.

But I realize I'm nitpicking too. What can you expect from pop fluff, ay?

But in the long run, none of this discussion matters much because Hanna's popularity is a fad. Tween girls don't stay tweens for long. I give it two more years and it's over.

Also as far as Disney dropping someone when they hit the magical age of adult hood..... They don't always do that.... Look at the Cast from High School Musical... Vannessa Hudgens had a picture leaked but she was 18 yet they are not replacing her even because of the picture that was leaked onto the Net....

High School Musical was not a Disney Channel series, but they aired it often enough you'd think it was.

I was referring to Disney Channel TV series. Generally, the actors have moved on around the age of 18. And it's because of Disney Channel's demographics--they cater to kids and tweens. If they feel their viewing audience can't identify with the lead actors because they're older than their viewers are...out they go.

HSM also has crossover appeal, which makes it unique. Even though it was originally made for tweens, it's been embraced by teens and adults who love musicals. And it scares me a little how very young even more of the fans are--we're talking 1st-3rd graders and even kindergartners who know every word of every song.

And I knew when the pics of Vanessa were leaked that Disney would just do their best to let the news blow over as quickly and quietly as possible. They had too much money invested in HSM merchandise and the upcoming movie to dismiss her on an issue of conduct. And I was right.

Now if "Zoey 101" were on the Disney Channel, you'd have seen Britney's little sister fired fairly quickly for getting pregnant, as that's a clear issue of conduct and damaging to the series' image. I wouldn't doubt that Disney even has clauses like that in the actors' contracts.

[Big Disney Fan]

Sorry, Hanna... sometimes life is tough because that's the way life is. Life cannot always be a party and people who choose to live life as a party often don't live very long.

But I realize I'm nitpicking too. What can you expect from pop fluff, ay?

But in the long run, none of this discussion matters much because Hanna's popularity is a fad. Tween girls don't stay tweens for long. I give it two more years and it's over.

Nah, I doubt that this whole HM craze will be over inside of two more years. I mean, look at Pokemon. You'd think that ship would have sailed a few years ago, but no, that craze is still very much alive.

[reyquila]

I love Hannah Montana!!! I love Rico even more!!!!! He's my avatar!!!

[Voiceroy]

Sorry, Hanna... sometimes life is tough because that's the way life is. Life cannot always be a party and people who choose to live life as a party often don't live very long.

But I realize I'm nitpicking too. What can you expect from pop fluff, ay?

But in the long run, none of this discussion matters much because Hanna's popularity is a fad. Tween girls don't stay tweens for long. I give it two more years and it's over.

Nah, I doubt that this whole HM craze will be over inside of two more years. I mean, look at Pokemon. You'd think that ship would have sailed a few years ago, but no, that craze is still very much alive.

If Disney has their way, they'll find ways to milk it and extend it to 2-3 years. It's too huge a cash cow for them to let it go quietly.

Pokemon's staying power can only be attributed to the brilliant marketing strategies and innovation from Nintendo.

I thought Power Rangers would've died out by now too, but they keep bringing in new young fans with each new series.

Then again, who ever would've thought that Transformers would have 25 years of staying power? It had a few lulls, but it's become one of the longest-running toy franchises in history.

[rs_milo_whatever]

Pokemonn is being compared to Hannah Montana!!!
that's just wrong.


i think its possible that the HM tend could end in two years, i mean, its EVERYWHERE!!!
trends like this are usually like fashion, fleeting from one moment to another, being the only thing people wear to "oh my gosh that's so yesterday"

[Super Aurora]

I love Hannah Montana!!! I love Rico even more!!!!! He's my avatar!!!

You are a sad little man.

[reyquila]

I love Hannah Montana!!! I love Rico even more!!!!! He's my avatar!!!

You are a sad little man.

Actually I'm 6'2''!!!! And very happy!!!

[Prudence]

You are a sad little man.

Actually I'm 6'2''!!!! And very happy!!!

....
No words.

Voiceroy, I actually like Hannah's songs a lot more than her show. The lyrics are a bit open to interpretation. "Life's What You Make It" is, to me, more about the attitude one has in life than about life itself. Life is tough, granted, but you can choose the way you react to it. (I hate using this selfish example, but I caught mononucleoses along with other ailments this month and they completely knocked me out. I had to leave my school, my work, and my independence because this is the most ill I've ever been, with the exception of my first few months of living. There are a number of ways this could make me bitter, but I'm not going to be angry or upset about it. There are still positives to my life, and this will make me a stronger woman when it is over.)

[pap64]

Hannah Montana is an extremely corny, poorly staged mess, but Rico is perhaps the WORST part of the whole series. Worse than the acting, the humor and the storyline combined.

The main reason I find him annoying is because he represents a very annoying trend in TV, movie and cartoon shows; the "small kid with illusions of power" archetype.

This is a character who is clearly younger than the rest of the characters, yet is extremely smart, witty and powerful, and LOVES to rub that fact onto the other characters and the audience. Worst of all, the bigger characters are "powerless". Even if they are older they seem to be at a loss when dealing with them. Even the adults are stumped.

This is supposed to be a comedic element, since real kids aren't not that smart or obnoxious...OK, some of them are, but take them to caricature lengths so high that the suspension of disbelief is lost...and creates more annoyance than comedy gold.

On "Drake and Josh" the little sister fits this archetype to a "T". She seems to have power over everyone, and they are too dumb to realize that she is just a little prick that CAN be dealt with. But its funnier to have kids "pwn" everyone else.

Most of Disney Channel's shows have at least one kid like that. On "Raven", there was that greedy kid who scammed Cory on a regular basis, on "Cory" Sophie seems to fill that role (although she is more sass and cuteness than obnoxiousness), the twins in "Zack and Cody" could fit this archetype, but the adults actually have power over them, "Hannah" has Rico (perhaps the absolute WORST example of the bunch) and finally, "Wizards of Waverly Place" has that kid who wears a green suit and acts like he's an Italian mafioso that owns the place.

Yes, I am well aware that these are done for comedic purposes and that kids don't mind them, since in the real world they lack that wit and "charm", but I think they are annoying and even bad examples. If the creators insist of making these characters at the very least they should have them get their just desserts, teach kids that this behavior can come back and bite you in the butt in the worst way possible.

Anyways, I am done with my fat, stupid, angry nerd rant .

But going back to Hannah I was thinking. On the show, Selena Gomez played Hannah's rival. I think this rivalry could be carried over to the real world.

Think about it...Disney seems to be liking Selena as she's been in many Disney Channel projects. She was asked to do a remix for a highly respected Disney DVD. She not only has her own show, but is a MUCH better actress than Miley and rivals her in musical talent. Her "Cruella Devil" remix ain't half bad! Plus, she has a lot of sass and charm, something Miley lacks.

If it wasn't for the fact that little girls can't get enough of Hannah Selena could be Disney's next teen queen, if done right, and dethrone Hannah and Miley once and for all.

[Voiceroy]

But going back to Hannah I was thinking. On the show, Selena Gomez played Hannah's rival. I think this rivalry could be carried over to the real world.

Think about it...Disney seems to be liking Selena as she's been in many Disney Channel projects. She was asked to do a remix for a highly respected Disney DVD. She not only has her own show, but is a MUCH better actress than Miley and rivals her in musical talent. Her "Cruella Devil" remix ain't half bad! Plus, she has a lot of sass and charm, something Miley lacks.

If it wasn't for the fact that little girls can't get enough of Hannah Selena could be Disney's next teen queen, if done right, and dethrone Hannah and Miley once and for all.

Disney has been pushing Selena extensively, and they are trying desperately to have her catch on as a pop star--they want to market her to their Hispanic viewership: a goldmine for licensed product that Disney has yet to be able to tap into. But you're right--until the Hanna hype dies down, Selena might not ever get her "big break" so to speak.

She reminds me of a pint-sized Marie Osmond--very similar facial features.

Her "Cruella Devil" remix ain't half bad!

It ain't half good either. The hook was lifted straight from Janet Jackson's "Black Cat"--see if this doesn't sound really familiar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev2CcwD-OwM

Also, try listening to the Selena remix more than once. It wears thin REAL quick. I work at the Disney Store and have to listen to it all freaking day. I absolutely loathe the song.

[blackcauldron85]

It ain't half good either. The hook was lifted straight from Janet Jackson's "Black Cat"--see if this doesn't sound really familiar:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev2CcwD-OwM

It has just enough difference where Disney could pull a Vanilla Ice- remember, he said that "Ice Ice Baby" had a different beat than Queen's "Under Pressure"...http://www.benedict.com/Audio/Vanilla/Vanilla.aspx

I wonder if Disney had permission, or if it's a coincedence, or if they knowingly used "Black Cat" for inspiration...

I still like the song, though!

[Lazario]

I think it's easier now more than ever to ignore a popular Disney show if you hate it or don't see anything good about it.

Few people I know even mention Hanna Montana. And when they do, they just go- "Hanna Montana..." and that's usually the end of the conversation as well as the beginning. Nobody knows what that show is about. And fewer people care.

I've seen a little of it. There's nothing all that wrong with it. It's just fairly vacuous. But then again, so are most programs designed for kids these days.

[Chernabog_Rocks]

There's really a simple solution to this. Don't watch the show I find it childish to create a "Let's all gang up on something" thread, there's a lot of Hannah fans out there, and a lot of people who don't like the show just because you (I mean any anti-Hannah people in this topic) don't like it doesn't mean you should parade around insulting it

Personally, I have soft spot for the show, it's like a guilty pleasure you know it's kinda corny and not some super amazing show but you can't help but watch once in a while.

So I'll offer the same advice I tell my friend when she whines or complains and acts childish about something. Cry me a river, build me a bridge and get over it. It's that simple, you don't like it don't watch it nobodys forcing you, I'm really starting to agree with the people who miss more intelligent things to discuss.

By the way, yes I do realize how harsh, bitter etc. I sound it's one of those days One last thing, I'm not saying we should all pretend to love the show or anything but threads like this are starting to get annoying to me.

=Chernabog=

[Voiceroy]

I'm not saying we should all pretend to love the show or anything but threads like this are starting to get annoying to me.

There's a really simple solution to this. Don't read them.

[Big Disney Fan]

I'm not saying we should all pretend to love the show or anything but threads like this are starting to get annoying to me.

There's a really simple solution to this. Don't read them.

Besides, where else can we go to vent our feelings about any topic? The forum is the best bet. Maybe you can make the decision to avoid watching the show, but you can't avoid the fact that that show is everywhere (by that, I mean, there's merchandise of that show and its main star comin' out every major store's wazoo). So to avoid the show is not so simple.

[pap64]

The "If you hate it don't watch it/read it/play it" argument is a pretty weak one. Yes, we technically can avoid the thing that annoys us, but that doesn't mean we can't express our opinions about it. Like Big Disney Fan said, even if you don't watch Hannah Montana its hard to deny she is everywhere. Hell, before I knew what Hannah Montana was I saw her face and merchandise in toy stores, videogame stores, clothing stores etc.

On a similar topic last night I was thinking, with the success of Hannah Montana Disney is now promoting Miley Cyrus as a different act all together, while still treating her as Hannah.

I wonder if this split the fanbase in half...

Hannah fan: Miley is just riding off the success of her alter go, she sucks!

Miley fan: Hannah is a fake, and even Miley knows that!

[Voiceroy]

On a similar topic last night I was thinking, with the success of Hannah Montana Disney is now promoting Miley Cyrus as a different act all together, while still treating her as Hannah.

I wonder if this split the fanbase in half...

Hannah fan: Miley is just riding off the success of her alter go, she sucks!

Miley fan: Hannah is a fake, and even Miley knows that!

I noticed the shift recently too with "The Best of Both Worlds" Tour. I wouldn't doubt it has something to do with contract negotiations. Hanna Montana's popularity is at its peak, and it can only go one direction from there and Disney doesn't want to lose such a bankable property. However, if they promote Miley over Hanna, they can extend her popularity. Then they star Miley in a couple live-action films--likely remakes of classic Disney fare--and another TV movie or two, a spinoff TV series and possibly an animated one too, and then release a couple pop/country albums as well and they have 2-5 years more to market her.